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Dutch Muslims are Dangerous
Do I know how to write a headline to grab your attention or what?
Anyhow... the real story here:
NETHERLANDS: VAN GOGH'S SON ASSAULTED
Brussels, 28 July (AKI) - The 14-year-old son of controversial film director Theo van Gogh, slain by an Islamic extremist last November, is said to have been threatened and assaulted by Moroccan teenagers in Amsterdam and insulted by his classmates. The allegations were made during an interview the boy's grandparents gave to the Dutch television channel Nova. Amsterdam police have not confirmed any threats or aggression against Lieuwe van Gogh.
The family lawyer, Gijs de Westelaken, specified that after the murder, which profoundly shocked Dutch society, Lieuwe was attacked by some young Moroccan youths while he was walking the dog. The boy is said to have suffered bruising, but only spoke about the incident to his mother and did not lodge a police complaint.
On another occasion he is said to have been threatened with a pistol by two young men of North African descent in the neighbourhood where his father had lived. Neighbours called the police but when they arrived the attackers had fled.
According to his grandparents, Lieuwe was also subject to harrassment and insults at school, and was forced to change class after various classmates told him "it is a good thing your father is dead".
An Amsterdam police spokesman said that in the aftermath of the murder of the filmmaker, they were in frequent contact with the boy's mother and that Lieuwe had been under police protection for a period.
The Dutch director - a descendent of the painter Vincent van Gogh - caused controversy with his film 'Submission', broadcast in the Netherlands last August, which criticised the treatment of women in Islamic society.
He was murdered as he cycled to work in Amsterdam last November. The assailant shot Van Gogh and slit his throat. A letter was also pinned to his chest with a knife, quoting the Koran and threatening the Dutch-Somali MP Ayaan Hirsi Ali, who wrote the script for the film.
A young radical Islamist was on Monday given a life sentence for the murder. Dutch-Moroccan Mohammed Bouyeri, 27, had confessed to the killing during his trial and told the court he would do it again if he had the chance.
Van Gogh's killing shocked the Netherlands, which is known for its tolerant attitudes and laws, and sparked attacks on mosques and ethnic unrest around the country. Bouyeri was born and raised in Amsterdam, and there is no clear information on how and why he turned to radical Islam.
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The Dutch are losing their country to cultural invaders.
It's probably too late to do anything about it.
France is next.
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So now every Dutch person of Muslim Faith is Dangerous, eh ?
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Geez, when will the rightwing hatred of all Muslim people end on this website ?
There are radicals of every faith out there ! Wake up and smell the fucking coffee, I mean seriously you, your family and friends are much more likely in danger of being hurt by a christian american than a muslim person any day of the week.
Stripclubs are not exactly kosher here in the US.There are quite alot of fundies would love to see every single one of is who types here suffer greatly. They would see our workplaces and home burn to the ground with all of us and even our kids stuck inside.
And wanna talk about so called religous brainwashing and abuse.....Ever been to Colorado City, Utah ?
But all I EVER see from the rightwing or conservative and or republican posters is abou how "evil " muslims are...all muslims is the general tone of the discussions too.
So I must ask: WHAT ABOUT CHRISTIAN TERRORISM ?
Where is the outrage of the rightwingers on abortion bombers ?
Where is the outrage by the rightwingers about the Christians who go around telling others to murder gay people ?
Where is the right wing outrage to the Christian Terrorist that are an actual threat to our homeland ?
Where are the multiple threads by the republican or conservative site members about how awful it is for their fellow Americans or even fellow Christians to go around preaching and committing murder, incest , child abuse, slavery, torture etc... RIGHT HERE IN OUR OWN BACKYARDS !
Where is the thread that says American Christians are Dangerous thread ?
What a bunch of bigoted hypocrits ! Bleh !
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hen will the rightwing/conservative/republican hatred of all Muslim people end on this website !!!!!!
There are radicals of every faith out there !
Yes, there are radicals of every faith, but when the vast majority of people blowin' shit up in todays world are Muslim what kind of reaction do you expect. :O
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Originally Posted by former_LV_dancer
Yes, there are radicals of every faith, but when the vast majority of people blowin' shit up in todays world are Muslim what kind of reaction do you expect. :O
I don't expect bigotry of a billion people.
I expect outrage at the specific individuals who commit these acts.
But I do not expect that every person who walks the planet with dark hair and olive skin to be considered a murderous threat !
I guess since I have dark hair and am sometimes pretty tanned then but ofcourse it's reasonable for me to expect to be harrassed, thought of and basicaly treated like a monster right here in my own country, right ?
And I have no right to express my feelings about it or make a public complaint either, right ?
WRONG !!!!!
However, that is the basic sentiment that is been given here over and over by numerous members and moderators of this webiste.
If they can post discrimination, then they can expect to have it called by it's proper name.
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TnT- you really do get your undies in a bunch huh? I see you say you live in the USA, and you are making a living here and enjoying the freedoms you have I assume.....if you really hate America and all the politics here SO much why don't you consider living elswhere where you'd be more accepted then? I mean I just don't get it when people bitch and moan about the US and how AWFUL it is, but then they stay here. If I lived somewhere that I hated that bad I'd leave.
If the political postings get you so wound up and you disagree with so many on this board why bother reading the political poo section? I mean ok we get it, you think alot on here are "racists"...whoo hooo.....ok don't read it then if you're get so mad. ::)
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Originally Posted by former_LV_dancer
I see you say you live in the USA, and you are making a living here and enjoying the freedoms you have I assume.....if you really hate America and all the politics here SO much why don't you consider living elswhere where you'd be more accepted then?
So now I am not acceptable as a US citizen because I have voiced dissent against racist, discrimination and profiling, eh ?
And now I suppossedly hate my country because I don't agree with profiling and discrimination, huh ?
And according to your statement, you think I should just leave my country and give up my citizenship rights because I think that many of the members and comments posted here in Poo are racist and or offensive.
Yeah, ok, sure, whatever ::)
You are entitled to your opinions, but remember, like or not, so am I !
:peace:
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You are entitled to your opinions, but remember, like or not, so am I !
:peace:
Yes indeed, in other places you could not voice your opinions as one can here. Which is why I don't get it when citizens of the USA bash their country so much.
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So now I am not acceptable as a US citizen because I have voiced dissent against racist, discrimination and profiling, eh ?
No, I'm not saying you're not acceptable as a US citizen, but you sure seem to express how much outrage you have for "rightwingers" and the way things are here, if it's so bad why do you choose to stay somewhere that makes you so upset? That's what I'm saying...geez.....::)
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Geez, when will the rightwing hatred of all Muslim people end on this website ?
I have voiced dissent against racist, discrimination and profiling, eh ?
These terms "rightwing", "racist", "discriminate", "profiling" etc...are all thrown around way to loosely in America. People are too fast to join the "you are a racist" bandwagon when people say or do something.
I could say the opposite, I've been discriminated against being white, yeah it does happen. Do I throw a fit and label others like that, no.
I'm not picking a battle here, simply saying if things make someone so damn uncomfortable, then move on and find paradise elsewhere where the general public isn't so "racially profiling".
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This has nothing to do about race. It is about a religion that as a basic premise if you are not a Muslim and a "believer" you are an infidel and can be destroyed. You may argue with me and say that is not what being a Moslem is about. But I am sorry, that is the present doctrine being taught by these Bin Laden religious schools.
Now, how is this doctrine different in tactical execution from Nazism in practice?
(With true emphasis on the word "execution'). There are some elements of official nazism that on their face were economics. The true tactics were hidden from the world, with only whispered rumours about death camps.
The true tactics of Nazi Islam are also being hidden, and wrapped in the mantel of
Moslem theorey, which would be fine if that is how the religion really worked.
Any woman with a mind (I include the women of this forum) can not possibly think that even the moderate muslim religion treats women well. To some extent, women are the Moslem religions jews, to be kept down, and not allowed certain rights.
With Christian men they make an exception. They just want to kill us.
Reminds me of the League in Cambridge University in the mid 1930's where the cream
of English coleges declared to "never fight for King and County again."
Six years later they were wearing green suits with funny helmets and paying more in casualties then they would have in the mid 1930's
I firmly believe that western civilization, the enlightenment, scientific progress, and human rights are all at stake in this dispute. And the Nazi Islamist are on the wrong side of history.
If nothing is worth fighting for, perhaps you believe in nothing, care for nothing, and in the end don't believe in yourself.
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Sorry to be blunt NiceGuy but your post proves that you know nothing of the actual Muslim religion while at the very same time are well versed in conservative proganda.
The Bid Laden style view is the minority extreemist view. It is also not based on the true teaching of Islam. In fact, what they preach goes against the treachings of Islam.
This has been explained completely and repeatedly on this website but alas those who prefer hate to understanding still refuse to accept the truth that terrorism is not accepted, supported or practriced by the faithful millions and millions of Muslims of the world. Anyone who doesn't get it is simply obtuse or flat out stupid, one or the other. Maybe both ?
Several of the rightwingers here act like there has never before been and never will again be an act of terrorism commited by anyone other than a Muslim person in the entire history of planet earth. I find that fundlementaly idiotic !
Evil comes in all colors, all faiths etc. despite what the conservatives and or the republican party wants it's followers to believe.
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The REAL issue according to my dutch and german friends is not so much the fact that middle easterners have immigrated to their countries in great numbers. The issue is that middle easterners choose not to assimilate into western european society. Instead they tend to form 'enclaves', they tend to cling to middle eastern legal traditions rather than the law of their 'adopted' country (i.e. free speech and women's rights for example), they tend to avoid learning the language of their 'adopted' country, and as a result they tend to be underemployed/unemployed and in many cases receiving social welfare benefits from their 'adopted' country. Middle eastern immigrants also tend to be 'angry', and represent a larger than proportional presence on police blotters. This as a whole results in significant areas of major cities, or in germany's case significant areas of an entire region (cologne), beginning to resemble a middle eastern state within their country's own borders.
Please take note that I didn't mention muslim or religion once in my post. The pertinent point is that, like the 'reconquistas' in the American west, the apparent goal seems to be the conversion of dutch and german territory into its own country or to convert the entirety of holland and germany to states which follow middle eastern principles. The difference from the 'reconquistas' is of course that between the number of middle eastern immigrants still entering holland and germany, and the relative birth rates of middle eastern immigrants versus 'native' dutch and germans, they might actually constitute a majority within a generation.
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Do I know how to start up some shit or what?
I bet you didn't even read the article TnT - you read the headline and went into a tizzy.
While there are millions and millions of muslims that do not agree with the terrorists (see my post ), there are millions and millions of them that do agree with them to lesser degree's and are plain anti-west in their thinking.
Being wary eye'ed of a religious group that is blowing people up for the last twenty years is not "racist." You need to read the dictionary on the meaning of "racist." It has nothing to do with religionous belief. You are just showing your "liberal" card - everything liberals don't agree with is "racist."
While I don't agree with everything that TnT has said, I don't think anyone should say she should "just pack up and leave." That is not the american way. We have big mouths in this country and people are free to use 'em.
People on here have referred to the Olympics bomber as a christian terrorist and I have called Operation Rescue a christian terrorist organization. So you cannot be putting words into this "right-wing" person's mouth.
For that matter, I consider myself independent - this leaves me ample room to be an equal opportunity hater. (That's called sarcasm folks) :P
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Great post Melonie.
It's not about labelling and kneejerk reactions from the likes of TL; it's about the cultural usurping of nations by immigrant populations that vehemently refuse to assimilate. It's real and it's a threat. Just ask the Dutch and the French.
Everything else is just deflection and denial.
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Being wary eye'ed of a religious group that is blowing people up for the last twenty years is not "racist." You need to read the dictionary on the meaning of "racist." It has nothing to do with religionous belief. You are just showing your "liberal" card - everything liberals don't agree with is "racist."
EXACTLY!! The misuse of this word (racist) as well as others is out of control.
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While I don't agree with everything that TnT has said, I don't think anyone should say she should "just pack up and leave." That is not the american way. We have big mouths in this country and people are free to use 'em.
I don't literally mean pack your bags and leave immediately....I just have a hard time when people bad mouth the US but then live here, profit and enjoy all it has to offer. Makes no sense to me.
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It's not about labelling and kneejerk reactions from the likes of TL; it's about the cultural usurping of nations by immigrant populations that vehemently refuse to assimilate. It's real and it's a threat. Just ask the Dutch and the French.
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they tend to avoid learning the language of their 'adopted' country, and as a result they tend to be underemployed/unemployed and in many cases receiving social welfare benefits from their 'adopted' country.
What Melonie stated is very true as well. It is very apparent in NYC. I have no problem with immigrants who want a better life and adapt to their new environment. I'm not saying one needs to give up their traditions and language, but you have to adapt or it will cause serious social issues. I should not feel like a foreigner in my own country, that's just not right.
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Originally Posted by TnT
So now every Dutch person of Muslim Faith is Dangerous, eh ?
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I do not think it is because they are of Muslim faith. I think it is the Dutch who are dangerous.
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It's one thing to be wary. It is quite another to start calling for the deaths of every person in the middle east, or to suggest that every Muslim person is a terrorist.
It is also quit another thing than being wary to start harrassing and discriminating against people because they have dark hair, dark eyes and olive skin.
And it is a far cry from being wary for someone to tell another person that objects to the calls for murder, harrassment and discrimination that they "hate " their country and just just shut up or leave.
All of that has been done here in Poo. All of it.
Wary, I wouldn't mind too much. But bigoted and discriminatory, well sorry but that I have a problem with !
That's it for today. I've had enough oif this shit for one day, bleh !
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Originally Posted by montythegeek
I do not think it is because they are of Muslim faith. I think it is the Dutch who are dangerous.
They invented slavery ya know... or at least that is what Duece Bigalow says. ::)
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Actually, Belgian socialists have successfully used new 'anti-racism' laws to disband a 'dangerous' (from their viewpoint) political party which garnered major support from Belgium's dutch speaking population during the last election - again proving the 'power' of slinging 'racist' accusations in a politically correct environment.
However the one million Vlaams Blok voters, compromising 10% of the total Belgian population and winning 24% of votes in recent regional elections, are rather unlikely to simply disappear from Belgian politics ...
" If the elections were not by secret ballot, the Belgian authorities would even be able to prosecute each of the one million VB voters.
To protect its people against prosecution, the VB leadership has today decided to disband the party. It wants to establish a new party next Sunday, but this one, too, will probably be prosecuted.
The party leadership hopes, however, that it can postpone a new verdict against a new party for a number of years, allowing it to win future electoral victories, force its way into goverment and abolish Belgium.
"Our voters deserve a democracy. Belgium refuses to grant them one; we will," Mr. Vanhecke said today. "We will establish a new party. This one Belgium will not be able to bury; it will bury Belgium."
And, in the process, the Vlaams Blok will bury mass immigration too. "
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Originally Posted by TnT
...There are radicals of every faith out there ! Wake up and smell the fucking coffee, I mean seriously you, your family and friends are much more likely in danger of being hurt by a christian american than a muslim person any day of the week...
And how, exactly, might this be true?
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Originally Posted by TnT
...Stripclubs are not exactly kosher here in the US.There are quite alot of fundies would love to see every single one of is who types here suffer greatly. They would see our workplaces and home burn to the ground with all of us and even our kids stuck inside...
I'll preface this by saying, that like Deogol, I don't belong to either of the two U.S. major political parties. It isn't worth the aggravation!
Having said this, all I want from any political party is to BE THE "EFF" LET BE! And the same for religion as well...any religion. Unfortunately, the politicians in either the Democratic or the Republican Party have a major comprehension problem with this concept, as do religious "leaders"!
As to stripclubs, please see above. The people who work in and patronize them aren't bothering me, so I don't see any reason why I should bother them. The people there are of adult age and consenting. The only exception I can think of, offhand, is if someone were being forced against his/her will to work in one.
There was a week-long series in the "Los Angeles Times" several months to maybe over a year ago...a series about Muslims who are making their home in the U.S. in Las Vegas. In the first installment, they mentioned a man, a cab driver, who did his level best to talk his fare out of going to a stripclub. I would guess he does this with any of his fares who want to go to one. So it's not as though Islam is accepting of the line of work either. And what this cab driver is doing is simply following the edicts of his religion in a peaceful manner. However, in so doing, he is affecting the potential income of one or more dancers.
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And wanna talk about so called religous brainwashing and abuse.....Ever been to Colorado City, Utah ?...
This is a job best left to Utah state & local LE, perhaps with a small bit of help from the FBI or another federal agency. And the people referred to in Colorado City, Utah, as disgusting as they are, have neither attempted to blow up LAX or actually destroyed(and killed approx. 3,000 people) the Twin Towers in NYC. And they will never have the capabilities of doing so.
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...Where is the right wing outrage to the Christian Terrorist that are an actual threat to our homeland ?...
Outrage? I regard Christian "Terrorists" to be about as dangerous to me as a tiny toy poodle...hmmm...the poodle might be much more dangerous due to possibly carrying a disease. Btw, if you are concerned about Christian fundamentalists blowing up abortion clinics, would you support the application of the death penalty to the bomber, if you in fact knew s/he was guilty of the act?
PhaedrusZ
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Thank God (or Allah if you will) we finally have someone level headed like TNT posting here. How right you are. Too few people are able to draw the comparison to one christian person killing a few people at an abortion clinic in the name of a religion that has loudly and resoundingly spoken out against them with many, many muslim men killing thousands in the name of their religion which rarely if ever speaks out against their actions.
Also I agree there is no place for the unnecessary racial profiling. I cannot stress enough the relief I feel when I see a 90 year old lady or a 4 year old spread eagle being wanded as a possible threat. There's nothing worse than the feeling you get when you're waiting to take off and you look down the aisle and you see a little old blue-haired lady limping to her seat.
Once again, thank you for sharing your honest, hard hitting comments. These people who believe that Muslims are evil are totally insane. Afterall I bet it isn't Muslims who are doing all these acts of terror at all. I bet somewhere there's a group of senior citizens from Sweden organizing this whole thing in attempts to give Muslims a bad name. OIL! It must be all about oil! Once again, thank you oh so very much. You truly are the most enlightened person on the entire internet.
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I was particularly attracted to the list of Muslim doctrine that were stabbed by serrated knife into Van Goghs heart as he lay dying. Why was Van Gogh killed. According to
the paper found in the knife blade in his chest, Van Gogh dared to argue that womens rights were needed in Islam, and he dared to critise the religion BECAUSE WOMAN AS A PRACTICAL MATTER THE WAY IT WORKS IS THEY HAVE NO RIGHTS IN THIS RELIGION.. Mohamed created a self cleansing mechanism within Islam, that if it tries to change and adapt a Jihad can be called to return the entire religion to its original programming about 670 A.D.
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I could see this coming when I lived in the Netherlands. The government allowed the Moroccans in, they didn't assimilate, were unpleasant, and no one wanted to give them a job. So many of them turned to petty crimes and robbery. The cops couldn't and wouldn't do shit when they robbed or burgled a person or a business, causing even more discord. 9/11 and the Iraq invasion occured. Now they're in the midst of a shitstorm. But aside from the Moroccans, Holland was one of the most racially harmonious places I've ever been.
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Tnt is partially right. We need to identify which Muslims are dangerous. At the moment,
I do not content that all Muslims are dangerous. Certainly the constant preaching by
the Nazi Islamists of the need to eliminate infidels unless they sign up with Mohamed
makes me a bit nervous. Why, because as a Christian I am by this definition an
Infidel."
What we may need is Mel Brooks singing his comedy song, "Bring back the Spanish Inquisition."
I think the core issues is the self correcting Jihad mechanism Mohamed programed into the
religion. It is almost like a computer which self corrects every fifty years to it's original
programing and dumps any code modifications. It is possible that it is unable to adapt by
this central Jihad doctrine of Islam, as anything learned in this about fifty year period is erased from the religion. I am actually intrigued enough to study books about the actual Jihad nature of Islam.
If this religious therey nature of the religion can not be changed or adapted, there may indeed be a nighmare scenario ahead, because for the survival of this planet they will need to be destroyed.
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Originally Posted by TnT
The Bid Laden style view is the minority extreemist view. It is also not based on the true teaching of Islam. In fact, what they preach goes against the treachings of Islam.
then how come the imams across the world are not comming out and saying this???
How come they wont go on record as being against it collectivly??
How come we dont see muslims across the world,in mass,protesting this???
If all islamic leaders condemed this stuff,would we even have a problem???
Now ask yourself why they aint.
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Originally Posted by Niceguy
Tnt is partially right. We need to identify which Muslims are dangerous. At the moment,
I do not content that all Muslims are dangerous. Certainly the constant preaching by
the Nazi Islamists of the need to eliminate infidels unless they sign up with Mohamed
makes me a bit nervous. Why, because as a Christian I am by this definition an
Infidel."
and until the islamic leaders rewrite the quran to exclude this sarah,or reword it,islam will continue to raise generations of infadel haters who think the more they kill,the closer they get to the virgins.
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I think the core issues is the self correcting Jihad mechanism Mohamed programed into the
religion. It is almost like a computer which self corrects every fifty years to it's original
programing and dumps any code modifications. It is possible that it is unable to adapt by
this central Jihad doctrine of Islam, as anything learned in this about fifty year period is erased from the religion. I am actually intrigued enough to study books about the actual Jihad nature of Islam.
If this religious therey nature of the religion can not be changed or adapted, there may indeed be a nighmare scenario ahead, because for the survival of this planet they will need to be destroyed.
I dont see the need to kill them all,way to many innocents imo.
I see a simple solution though,or alot of the innocents will be killed.
The islamic leaders need to stand up in public and private,and condem this,
And the quran being rewritten is the only way.
Include the infadels,or yes,I think the infadels will elminate them.