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Re: Guys Who STARE...and Don't Get Dances! WTF!?!??!
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Originally Posted by Bridgette
BigGreen, just STOP IT. When clubs PAY us to work, then and ONLY THEN, will the cover and drinks entitle custies to the show. You know as well as we do, we're not there for our damn health.
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I know you dont like to hear it MissB,but facts are facts.
In most clubs in this country,a guy can pay the cover,come in and have a drink and watch the show,he isnt required to tip,he isnt required to get a lapdance.
He shouldnt be beat to death for not tipping every girl that goes on stage and he should be castrated for not getting a lapdance.
If he wants to pay the high cover,and pay for a high priced drink,and sit and watch the show for awhile,thats ok,he is a custie of the club,he is supporting the light bill,he is feeding the machine that makes dancers money.
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I can sympathize with the ladies here on how frustrating and irritating these bums are, but technically speaking Big Green is correct. A door cover and a drink minimum is a requirement. Tipping the dancers is an etiquette guideline, not a requirement. Most of your seasoned SC vets, and most of the guys registered here know that tipping is expected of them, but it also has to be mentioned:
- Most customers at SC's are casuals, and do not spend enough time in clubs enough to pick up on this guideline.
- Most customers do not read SW, TUSCL or other online SC websites that explain the etiquette of tipping.
- Most customers do not understand that in most cases you ladies actually PAY IN to the house to work there.
- Etiquette guidelines aren't like software upgrades that automatically download and become instantly ingrained into a customer's thought process when he walks in the door. These unwritten rules simply aren't going to explain themselves. Which brings me to...
- Clubs do a half-assed job at best at explaining these guidelines to the customers. I've never seen any written signs encouraging it. In fact, the only thing that I've ever seen are DJ's stating something along the lines of "please take care of the ladies, they work for tips and drinks only" every so often. A lot of your SC newbies aren't going to pick up on what exactly this means.
As long as the above things are true, a lot of guys who come into your club are going to think that paying the cover and drink minimum entitles them to not spend another nickel beyond that. It's ugly and unfair, but that's that way it is.
Someday's I just wish clubs would solve this little problem by tacking another $5 on to the door charge, and another 50 cents onto each drink and divy up these additional funds between all the girls who worked that shift. It might only add up to $10-15 per girl, but it would at least be something.
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--edit--was typing this as Doc-Catfish was entering his so he beat me to it! Arrrgh!)
BigGreen being a DJ knows how HIS club works, you being dancers know how YOUR club works, but I'll bet most customers do NOT know how the club they go to works!
In at least two of the SCs here they DO pay the dancers an hourly wage which is increased by how many drinks they sell. They get $10 of a $20 LD and each LD also counts towards their drinks total. And in the SC I frequent you actually buy a ticket to get a lap-dance--one of those carnival ride thingies (hmmm, buy a ticket for a one song ride!) so they know how many LDs you've sold.
The girls do NOT pay to work, though they tip out a bunch of people as per usual AND get hit with fees for being on the floor late, not showing up when they're scheduled, etc. (A pet peeve of my ATF is that they don't get a bonus when the last set runs well past the 2 AM closing time.)
So paying your cover here and buying the one drink minimum DOES entitle you to sit and stare without giving the girls anything...
However, that is RUDE. There was an article in the local paper about tipping and it had all sorts of wierd people to tip--I was surprised to see exotic dancer listed! They said $1/song if you're at the rail and a $1/table/song if you're NOT at the rail.
If I'm at the rail I give $5 for the 2nd 'mostly naked' song so I'm ahead of the game that way, but I DON'T tip from the table since I'm by myself and can't see all that well so I don't send up $2/dancer all night--I'd be surprised if anyone really operated this way. I KNOW the dancers would just love to have every guy on the rail tip a buck a song.
As for the reason for this thread--I DID have an instance where a new dancer was playing to an empty rail and she focused on me since I was one table away and could mostly see her--we made eye-contact and I probably also had that goofy look on my face and she gave me a good enough dance that I got up and tipped her $5. When she got off stage she came over and in just a few seconds of talk I said to myself "This girl is on speed or meth!" I don't want to deal with the addicts--thank God I could truthfully say I was waiting for my ATF...
I DON'T think you're a user, BrainyDancerGirl, but you MAY be intimidating and so the guy said the first thing that popped into his mind to turn you down without just saying 'No thanks.' I don't know how to tell you to spot that type--as you say later it worked out well in another instance so what are you going to do?
For all you girls who work in clubs where you PAY to dance, you may just have to start educating the guys by telling them the facts--an educated customer is a good thing! (But wait until you're sure it's a no-sale before you point it out.)
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Re: Guys Who STARE...and Don't Get Dances! WTF!?!??!
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Originally Posted by pet_rock
If I'm at the rail I give $5 for the 2nd 'mostly naked' song so I'm ahead of the game that way, but I DON'T tip from the table since I'm by myself and can't see all that well so I don't send up $2/dancer all night--I'd be surprised if anyone really operated this way.
Normally I sit at a table and tip the average dancer $2. That might go down to $1 for a lackluster performance, or up to $5 for a great performance by a super-hottie. Bonus $ for things that aren't hot but still entertain me (cool pole tricks, humor, or particularly interesting music choices--no DJs around here and the girls pick their own tunes). So far I've never not tipped a girl, but I guess I could envision it happening if she was just terrible on stage, not into it, looked bored, and otherwise did nothing right.
So to me it's like tipping a waitress: it's not strictly required, but it's customary and expected. If you don't do it, expect some glares and bad service. (I think I've left zero tip for a waiter/waitress maybe 2 times in my life, both for service that was both abysmal and intentionally rude).
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Honestly, what kind of service is a guy gonna get when he comes in:
*sits at the stage and doesnt tip
*or/and sits by the stage (not required to tip) and stares all night while telling other dancers "maybe later" or "Im waiting for someone".
Girls will get the word out and he will be ignored. He will end up wasting anyones time that talks to him. Mr. doesnt-wanna-tip-and-take-up-time isnt high on my list.
As to refercence to the resturant example: Yes, but he still BOUGHT something! You cant go into a restuarant and not buy anything while you sit down and take up valuable customer space. Even if a guy buys one dance or tips a few girls about $2 each...he is still contributing. We are they to be PAID. I dont care if he spent 20 all together to get in with drinks.....SC fun costs money.
In this case I will leave these types of guys alone or if Im bored Ill go over and chat up to look busy. Otherwise, thanks for the comment and enjoy your O'douls alone.
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Ayayay. Once again, you guys can talk til you're blue in the face. Doesn't change anything. We don't go to work and get up on stage for NOTHING. We're doing it for MONEY. No amount of explaining can make the guy who pays for nothing but the cover and a drink while ogling the dancers, any less of a cheap asshole! EVERY guy who goes to the SC KNOWS we're doing it for MONEY. No matter how stoopid or ignorant he may be. I get SICK TO DEATH of you guys coming on here defending the cheap fucken assholes! You know as well as we do, that they damn well know what they're doing >:(
Do you think it's ok for people to go to a restaurant to eat and NOT tip the waiter? NO. Do you guys REALLY think the cheap fucken assholes who go to SCs and don't tip or buy dances are unaware that's it's customary to tip? NO, THEY ARE NOT. THEY KNOW. THEY'RE JUST CHEAP FUCKEN ASSHOLES!!!!
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I vote the know-it-all men in the SC business who think cheapskate looky-loos are OK should give handjobs to these cheap-ass motherscratchers so they can relieve their tensions, and clear out the club for some nice open floor space, or better yet, some paying customers.
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You have the right to visit the club, there's no doubt about it. However, just like everything else in life, there are those times and places where unwritten rules apply.
- Dont' sit at the tip rail, enjoy an up close and personal show and think that you're not going to tip. It's commion sense that those that choose to sit there do so because they like the lady on stage. If she's not to your liking, get up and go sit further back until someon eyou like gets on stage. (The bouncers at my club will warn you once or twice before you have to go if you sit at the tip rail and don't tip.)
- If you look at a girl (I'm talking leering, gentlemen) constantly while she's walking around the floor or on stage, tip her. Maybe you don't have the lapping $$$ at that time, but a few dollars in appreciation is nice and we will remember that later. I've had men beckon me from afar to tip me after I've gotten off stage. Sometimes they like to be more discreet. I dont' care when the tip comes, every dollar counts. But sitting there, twisting around when she walks by, whistling...come ON. I reiterate, even if you dont' have the lapping dollars, tip her a few.
- If you insist on acting like Al Bundy, be prepared to be treated like Al Bundy.
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Re: Guys Who STARE...and Don't Get Dances! WTF!?!??!
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Originally Posted by Bridgette
No amount of explaining can make the guy who pays for nothing but the cover and a drink while ogling the dancers, any less of a cheap asshole! EVERY guy who goes to the SC KNOWS we're doing it for MONEY.
Um, I go to LIVE theatre and watch real live women and men sing and dance to entertain me. I have never ONCE tipped them for a performance other than to applaud more or less. A ticket can run from $20 (nosebleed) to $60 (up front) depending on the show; compare/contrast that to getting in the SC and you have a slightly valid argument if they're paying nosebleed prices for front row seats.
So I agree that guys that don't tip ANYONE are cheap. I do NOT agree that they are also all assholes, however, because they may think you're getting paid by the club as well as tipped.
BTW, I'm on YOUR side, so you're preaching to the choir here--it's the unwashed masses you have to educate by pointing out how it really works.
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No one compares live theater to strip clubs. No one.
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^^ pet_rock, the live theatre is when the performers are clothed. I think it makes a difference when youre naked. Besides, they are getting paid by the theatre. Otoh we are not paid and rely soley on tips as they dont. Apple & Oranges.
Youre right though some guys think you get paid by the club...I dont know where they got that idea but damn its dim-witted. Some guys are just very dense and think we ALL make thousands of dollars every night. haha.
But, in any fact if youre staring up close on stage please tip the dancer.....youre getting the up close show and you should show love accordingly.
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Re: Guys Who STARE...and Don't Get Dances! WTF!?!??!
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Originally Posted by BrainyDancerGirl
... I shouldn't have even bothered with this asshole in the first place. He did NOT tip while I was on stage. He just stared at me the whole time with a goofy look on his face. ...
I realize I'm a bit late to the party, but when I read the initial post this is what I wanted to know. Did he tip you on stage? Answer: No.
Yeah he showed interest, so certainly worth investigating; however, he was clearly not a "slam dunk".
Since it was a slow night there were probably few alternatives to seeing if you could turn this one around, but I think it should have been easy enough to establish quickly that this guy was a cheepskate, not worth too much trouble.
All that being said, I can understand your frustration, and sorry it happened to you. Better luck the next time.
(LOL - Big G. Is this gonna be ANOTHER one of those threads I link to in the future and people will see you eating s#!t again? hehe)
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Um, I just compared Live Theatre to SCs--a closer comparison than SCs to restaurants, I think. ::)
As for taking your clothes off, it's NOT supposed to make it different, from all the other threads I've read--it's entertainment that you've chosen to do.
Please look back at my post on page 2 of this thread--the SCs in my town DO pay the dancers, not the other way around! THIS is where the confusion may be coming in when guys from small towns visit the big city...
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/:O
I've seen 'custies' who don't buy drinks or dances at all. Most of the girls ignore them.
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To those who think you aren't required to tip at stage to see a show...
NOT TRUE.
EXAMPLE - The Cheetah, Pink Pony, and other various clubs in Atlanta. After your cover charge and your drink minimum, you can sit at the stage and look at the girls. However, if between you and all the other guys at the rail, no one ponies up at least $5, you won't see so much as one single tit. You want full nudity? She has to have at least $10 in her garter. Now, if you're lucky enough that someone else pays FOR you, then, great, you get a free show. But, until the girl has money in her garter, you won't see anything. And the clubs DO announce it over the loud speaker time after time, so it is not a hidden rule.
That is one of the things that I do not like about strip clubs in NYC. The girls automatically get naked, so the guys who pay cover do get a free show. In this respect, it isn't really the customers' fault. It's the club's fault for not requiring that the girl's stay clothed until they receive tips on stage.
However, my original gripe was about someone who stared and didn't get a private DANCE. Not stage tipping. Sometimes a guy can be very interested in you, but afraid to get up in front of a lot of people and give you a tip. Yeah, it's retarded, but I've seen it happen before.
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I dont' know many clubs that allow a person to come in and sit there, soak up all the "ambience" and not purchase a drink, at the very least. They might not be as vigilant when it comes to dances, but drinks go to the house and they aren't going to stand for that.
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oh wow, he'll flag someone down? that means I can sit on my ass all night and just wait to get flagged down.
this thread is cracking me up.
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I know if someone really wants you they will find you....otoh hand some guys dont think they should do this as they shouldnt have to.
Bottom line for this one: You provide the cash and I provide the entertainment.
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on topic, i've found that sometimes a girl can be too much of a fantasy. like, to the guy, so unrealistically, unattainably attractive he can't really see himself getting dances with her. related to this, when the stunning stage beaty walks up and starts talking dances, the guy often feels that she couldn't possibly want to dance for him due to liking it and is solely fixated on him as walking ATM. whether this is true or not, it is a common problem for many dancers with no ready solution. some guys will never buy that a hot girl could enjoy dancing for them and want their money, no matter how pleasant she is to him. others will buy it if you focus primarily on them throughout the evening, but that is a gamble, albeit one that usually pays off pretty well.
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I rarely goto a club that is not my wifes. Mainly because I'm the practice dummy for her and her friends and I tell them what is retarded and they should stop.
BUT about three times a year my friend, who is army specops, comes to town. Normally he comes right after a deployment, and he lives on the other side of the country. So he brings about $500-$1000 a night to spend at a strip club. One night we had $1500 between us to drop on this club, no problem doing it either, we left about $500 sitting on the table in plain view. We were tipping the waitress $10's and $20's just for beers. Not one girl came and sat down with us.
We were in amazement over this. We were staring at the money, staring at girls, staring at the waitress, we were staring at everything. The most action we saw was the waitress who showed us her boobs. We tipped her $50 after that.
I thought about telling the manager, because its amazing that we sat in there for two hours and nothing. We look young, hes 24, I'm 23 looking 12. But we had the money on the table. So we left and went to another club where we flashed our stack of cash to the door girl. We had good treatment there.
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TJandDani, it's probably because a lot of dancers don't trust the "flashers." I know I don't. I have discovered that it's usually all show and no sharing. What would a girl have to do to get you to spend your money on her? Break the rules, or simply talk to you? I'm curious about the custy's like you who flash AND spend!:D
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Re: Guys Who STARE...and Don't Get Dances! WTF!?!??!
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Originally Posted by MinahSky
I dont' know many clubs that allow a person to come in and sit there, soak up all the "ambience" and not purchase a drink, at the very least. They might not be as vigilant when it comes to dances, but drinks go to the house and they aren't going to stand for that.
Yea, i am glad that it costs 20 bucks to walk through the door of my club. Weeds out some people who are simply watchers. Also, one drink minimums(hourly), etc. The club encourages the girls to chat and move on fast if someone is not buying also.
They can go elsewhere and watch much cheaper.
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I love it when im tipped off about flashers. They always seem to want a good time and come to the club looking for the best girls.
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Re: Guys Who STARE...and Don't Get Dances! WTF!?!??!
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Originally Posted by exotica17
TJandDani, it's probably because a lot of dancers don't trust the "flashers." I know I don't. I have discovered that it's usually all show and no sharing. What would a girl have to do to get you to spend your money on her? Break the rules, or simply talk to you? I'm curious about the custy's like you who flash AND spend!:D
Well you see it wasnt all flash, because we kept tipping the waitress alot of money. And we didnt care who we got dances from, well the other men we wouldnt have let them. But anyone else was open. All they had to do was come up and ask, "hey you want a dance?" and we were open to it all. The club we ended up going to there was like 10 girls there. You can only get so much enjoyment out of one girl a night. So we started buying table dances for other girls. And we just sat back and watched.
But to answer your question as far as breaking the rules. Casual contact is cool; a little bit rougher than you would receive riding a subway in new york. Anything beyond that is pushing the limits. We like to stay within the law and keep our security clearances. Since I'm rambling on and on, I would never buy a lap dance from a girl I was interested in.
Like I said it only happens 2-3 times a year.
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TJ, maybe they thought you were too young to have a lot of cash?