That was the point in setting it on the table. But oh well what can you do?Quote:
Originally Posted by tampafldancer
I'm sure someone with boobs can take my money. ::coughwifeycough:: ;D
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That was the point in setting it on the table. But oh well what can you do?Quote:
Originally Posted by tampafldancer
I'm sure someone with boobs can take my money. ::coughwifeycough:: ;D
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Originally Posted by TJAndDani
This is good shit here ladies when trying to understand your prey!!!!!!!!!
Darlin', if I was at your club, I couldn't spend money on you fast enough. You wouldn't have to worry about not making money off me. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by tampafldancer
You can complain on this BBS till you're blue in the face, it also doesn't change anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bridgette
Well, call him a cheap asshole then.Quote:
We don't go to work and get up on stage for NOTHING. We're doing it for MONEY. No amount of explaining can make the guy who pays for nothing but the cover and a drink while ogling the dancers, any less of a cheap asshole!
Yes, but a lot of these idiots actually think you girls get a wage.Quote:
EVERY guy who goes to the SC KNOWS we're doing it for MONEY. No matter how stoopid or ignorant he may be.
I didn't defend them. I merely explained their actions.Quote:
I get SICK TO DEATH of you guys coming on here defending the cheap fucken assholes!
No. But with the exception of an auto-gratuity its not a requirement.Quote:
Do you think it's ok for people to go to a restaurant to eat and NOT tip the waiter?
In some cases, yes.Quote:
Do you guys REALLY think the cheap fucken assholes who go to SCs and don't tip or buy dances are unaware that's it's customary to tip?
And you're just venting.Quote:
NO, THEY ARE NOT. THEY KNOW. THEY'RE JUST CHEAP FUCKEN ASSHOLES!!!!
Again, I'm not sure why some folks here have gotten this silly notion that knowledge of tipping etiquette (and not just if it is customary to tip, but how much) somehow spreads itself by osmosis. If that were the case, why would the world need information like this.
http://www.tipping.org/TopPage.shtml
Maybe tipping etiquette comes naturally to those of you who've immersed yourself in business environments (either as worker or customer) where tipping is customary, but the fact of the matter is many people don't. They carry their own luggage. They don't use taxis. They pick up the pizza rather than have it delivered. A fancy meal for them is going out to Subway. Some even cut their own hair.
As, I've stated many times before, unwritten rules suck (not so much for being rules as for being unwritten), and should either be written down (or at least orally explained), or be abolished.
As long as you expect everyone who comes into your club to follow guidelines that have not been adequately explained to them, then you can expect that some people, by mere naiveity, rather than arrogance, won't follow them.
I have to agree with Doc on this one.
Even though it's required at the Cheetah to tip a girl on stage before she will get nude, many guys don't know that, especially if they are from out of town. Hence, why it is constantly announced over the loudspeaker or the girls tell the customers themselves.
I remember once being on stage with about 4 guys sitting in front of me. They obviously liked what they saw and kept smiling the whole time. But they weren't tipping me. I bent down and said, "So what's up guys? I see you smiling but there aren't any tips!!" They respond, "Well, yeah, we're waiting for you to get naked." To which is respond, "I can't even take my top off until you all give me at LEAST 5 dollars between all of you." To which they replied with wide eyes, "OOOOOH!!!! THAT's why none of you have taken anything off!!!" They promptly gave me 2 to 3 dollars each.
Before I went on stage, I used to let customers in on a little secret in order to encourage them to tip me on stage - if you tip the girl $10 at the VERY beginning of her first song of her set, she stays naked for ALL THREE SONGS. The customers were happy, for obvious reasons. But, with the girl fully naked for all three songs, she would collect more tips on stage.
Even if your club does have a stage tipping requirement, then, even though it exists, you can't be mad at customers for not doing so if they don't KNOW about it.
Now, if they know about it, and STILL don't tip anyone worth a damn, THEN you can confirm that they're really cheap assholes :D
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Originally Posted by Bridgette
I think that's almost a Haiku, Bridgette. :)
TJAndDani... gee if no dancers ask me then I just ask them... you and your buddy must really be shy...
These kind of guys are intentionaly disrespecting dancers in a passive aggresive manner. Their goal is to get us to pay attention to them for free, or in other words they want to make us work for free.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrainyDancerGirl
It's their form of payback for all the women they spent time trying to get to know or get a date with but ended up refused by. That kind of man is probably the worst of the bunch save for those who sexualy assualt dancers
Oh geezus, my last club got plenty of customers like that, staring intently at the stage or at the dancers walking around, might even have some polite banter with any girl who sat down, and NEVER put up a dime. They knew we could walk out in the negatives, they knew it was customary to tip stage or maybe buy dances. We also didn't have a cover during the day, so that possibly added to the "cheap afternoon" mentality.
Sure it is a free country and all, nobody can stop them, but who cares? It is my right to go into a Lexus dealership and talk to salespeople for hours and drink their free coffee if they'll let me, when I have no way of buying a new car. It is still a jerkass thing to do. I don't see why so many people leap to the defense of these people.
As for the original post, I'd say the chief reason he does that is because he doesn't want to spend money and thought you were hot. I KNOW my ex did this, in the exact jerk-ass way we all hate, the "I'm not going to spend any money! I'm only going to bring enough money for cover! Those strippers make too much!" Dancers would come over asking if he wanted dances, as the non-stage-tippers have many reasons why, shyness, uncertainness, whatever - but an individual approach may lead to more money. Never worked for them.
Have you ever thought that they are intimidated by you? Some other dancers have told me that guys want to get dances from me and think that I am very beautiful, but that they're intimidated by me. I'm only 5'7", but with the platforms on I'm very tall. I changed to lower heels and that helped. I am very secure in myself and I believe that even though we are in a place that the men should feel secure in garnering our attention, some still feel intimidated. When I am told this, I have her take me over to him so the gentleman can get to know me. That usually handles the problem.
Or the guys who say "im short of cash right now" right after you ask for the dance. WTF are they doing in a strip club if theyre short on cash?? Thats like going to the mall without money...
what a prick, I hate when guys aren't up front and just bs you all along.......I would have ignored him on stage after he said later
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Originally Posted by Sinn
This my sound weird, but when my wife first started dancing I went and acted like a customer. Since I had done many field studies of clubs. And I would point out groups of guys who would probably buy dances(military guys, older men) so she wouldnt target people just my age. But anytime a dancer would come up she would sit down and say, "Hi." I would be polite and say, "hello, my name is TJ and I am broke. I stopped in to have a beer. I'll be gone in about 20 minutes."
Most of the time they would look at me and say, "oh thats ok!" Dont lie. just move on. I'm sitting at the bar staring at her cleavage dont interupt.
I love kittens.
Well I'm glad I got the chance to read this thread as I'm from the UK and a newbie in the strip club scene in the US. In fact I posted a thread in the other forum (the Strip Club Junkie Forum) inquiring as to how US strip clubs work. Reading all this has actually made me feel rather intimidated as the last thing I would like to do is offend anyone, dancer or otherwise, out of ignorance of all the etiquette involved, like tipping, staring and all that.
I hope nobody minds if I put the link to my post here and if any dancers could reply to it from a dancers perspective I would really appreciate it. I will also copy it and put it on this thread.
http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=53503
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This is my first post here. I've recently moved to the Boston in the US and would like to indulge a pastime that I picked up while on a backpacking holiday in Australia, visiting strip clubs (I am from the UK originally but didnt visit strip clubs much there). Im hoping this site will assist me in getting a better understanding of how strip clubs work in the US.
One of the American girls dancing in Sydney told me that the whole strip club scene in the US is different to what it is in Australia and England. In Sydney it is all strictly striptease, no touching or lapdancing at all. In Melbourne they do lapdancing with only the dancer able to initiate contact. Im not sure about other places as I didnt get the chance to visit strip clubs much in Brisbane or Adelaide. As for the UK I went to a few strip clubs in London once and they are quite similar to Australia. Lapdances are very uncommon as the dancers are more likely to dance for you at your table than on your lap.
I have no problem with any of this, in fact I enjoy the striptease aspect of strip clubs, watching beautiful women take their clothes off. Whether they touch me or not is not really a big deal to me. If I had to choose between nudity and contact Id probably go for nudity, though nudity and contact would be nice! Im not a groper though, more than happy to sit on my hands like they make you do in Melbourne.
But I heard that in the US its all different, theres all this stuff about different levels of contact and it seems as though theres hardly any stage shows, theyre all lap dances and high contact at that. Its a bit intimidating reading through some of the threads here as I'm not sure how to behave or what to expect when I drop in to one. I have the following questions I was hopeing someone could answer for me:
- what is the whole deal with lapdances and contact and such. I assume an airdance is a dance where there is no contact?
- how much is the average price for a lapdance and how much should I tip as a % of this? how long does the show last?
- do i have to specify lapdance or private show?
- are stage shows full nudity or do you have to pay for full nudity
- am I allowed to stand around and just watch stage shows for a while so that I understand how it all works or will i offend someone doing this
- what is a champagne room and how does it work
- am I likely to get ripped off if I walk into a club without knowing the protocols, prices, etc and just ask one of the dancers or bar staff
- any good classy (as in not seedy) clubs in or near boston that anyone recommends?
I realise Im the customer but I dont like offending dancers in a club I may end up wanting to spend time in simply because I didnt know the protocols. In Sydney (where I first started going) it was fairly easy to sit in some obscure corner (not up to where the podiums were) and work out how the system worked before deciding what I wanted to do. I normally spend up to $800-$1000 per night when I visit (with no lapdances) but I don't like spending money if I don't understand how it all works, that's just annoying. So I hope someone could respond with some answers as Id hate to walk into a strip club and end up either spending nothing because I just want to check the place out first and pissing every dancer there off as a consequence or ending up getting a couple of lapdances and ending up spending a fortune without planning to. Spending a fortune when you know how it works is a different story though!
Any assistance would be appreciated...I'm hoping to visit one of these clubs in a couple of weeks when Im a bit more settled and would love some feedback by then...
Cheers, Neville
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I should also mention that a couple of people have already been of considerable help to me on the other thread but I would be interested in hearing some responses from a dancer perspective. And before someone else mentions it, yes I managed to learn to use the search function and am starting to use it! :)
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Originally Posted by dlabtot
we shouldnt have to, i could give my money away to a homeless guy on the street if i wanted rid of it that bad.
Same thing I am thinking at least give something sheesh...a dollar stage or a dance wont kill anyone...sh*t they just paid 4 times the amount for wtvr they are drinking anyways. Everyone can afford something when they enter a SC. Why go to the fair if all you can see is people having fun inside?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sinn
I've often noticed that in local neighborhood clubs where drink prices are reasonable and there is no cover or other outrageous charges, that every customer almost always tips every dancer. But in the big glitzy overpriced gentlemen's clubs where beers are $7 or more, and buying a 2 oz coke for a dancer is $10, and it costs $15 or more to walk in the door, and takes a tip to park your car or take a leak, many guys are much more likely to sit on their wallets because they've decided that they're in a clip joint rather than a friendly place that cares about its customers. Most guys don't like to feel that they're being taken and will often become very defensive in such an atmosphere. I also agree with whoever said earlier that a lot of guys are intimidated by strippers and will treat them with disdain to cover up their own insecurity. That's especially true if they are with several of their buddies, it's their way of showing off.
I say that if they are that close to the stage and won't get off their ass to tip you, then it really isn't worth it to waste your time. Move on to the guys who DO tip! :D
^ No it's more like you ordering just a cup of coffe and sitting there for 3 hours at a big booth alone, and every 5 mins yelling at the waitress that you need another refill. Especially when there is a party of 15 that needs that table and you refuse to give it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by JumbliesMan
What major cover anyway?! If you can't afford $5 to get in and around another $20 for beers, $35-40 for liquor (depending on the liquor), sorry but you really don't need to be there anyway.
Neville, you may want to think about starting your own thread in customer convo, as your post here may not be readily seen in here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neville
Feel free to do a search on "Boston" and on "customer rules"... you'll find plenty of posts on the clubs in this area and the topic of customer etiquette.
Hello Verfolgung, am I allowed to have similar threads in the Strip Club Junkie site and on the Customer Conversation Site? I would hate to cause trouble due to doubling up.
BrainyDancerGirl,
First of all, I have to say thanks for starting such an amusing thread. I realize you're just venting a bit and perhaps looking for some logic you may have overlooked. Nevertheless, I rather enjoyed the banter you started.
After reading your posts here, I can see that you know the game as well as anyone can. It seemed that you were just irritated but more than likely have already gotten over it.
As for me, I have been one of those guys before (many times). I've smiled at dancers on stage, enjoyed the show while not always tipping them on stage. I rarely get lapdances anymore. So according to Bridgett, I guess I'm just another one of those assholes. I'll just have to live with her condemnation :(
Bridgett,
WAH WAH WAH WAH!!!!!
I'll only speak for my own opinions here rather than try to generalize all the others. Regardless of the venue, if I meet the admission requirements set by the management, I'm entitled to enjoy all the entertainment included in that admission.
If I go to a baseball game, I'm not required to buy peanuts from the vendor but I still enjoy watching him throw the bags around. (in addition to the game)
Whether you agree with my views or not, I'm just as stubborn as you.
IMO, You are no different than the person who sells her crafts at a parking lot craft show. She pays her money to rent a spot at the show, pays money for the supplies to make the crafts, and spends her time setting everything up. Yet, people still walk by and say "wow, this is cute!" or "this is cool". Even take her time to ask questions about her merchandise. Are these people assholes for not buying? If you say yes, then you are probably one of the rare people who purchase something from every store you walk into. If you're not, then your just a bitter hypocrite.
You spend your own money on clothes, makeup, fitness, etc. You pay for transportation to the club. You pay the club whatever fee is necessary to dance your shift. Why do you do this? It's a gamble. You are gambling that you will come out ahead in the end.
Yes, I realize that the peanut guy does not do his job nearly naked either. However, he is required to wear the uniform specified. He chose his job just like you. His pay is also directly related to his sales just like yours. In many cases, he even had to buy the peanuts ahead of time to sell. None of this really matters though. I think it's a good comparison whether you do or not.
If you get pissy about guys like me who from time to time will come into the club and only pay the cover and buy a drink (or whatever the minimum is) then you will spend quite a lot of your time being pissed. What the hell do I care. If you're pissy, when I do decide to spend money, it won't be on you.
Anyway,
Thanks to all for the amusing reading so far. Be safe and have fun.
I was on stage once when at the end of my set these young guys came and sat down (they had been in the club, but didn't sit at the tip reail until the end of my set). While I picked up my tips, one of them was an @$$hole and said something smart to me. I let it go. His friend apologized and said they would catch me my next time up. I hear that all the time and didnt' hold my breath. About a week later, they came back. I was all set for the jerk to say something, but he didn't. The friend that was nice to me threw about $300 in singles on my stage during my set ( I could barely walk-I thought I was gonna slip on the dollars). Then he said, "See? I told you I'd get you next time..."
They had to hold up the rotation while they got me a garbage bag to put all the money in. It also helped because all the other guys got up and tipped me even more money after they saw what he did.
It doesn't cost you a penny to keep your mouth shut. But it could cost you a lot to say something...
Riverrat,
You're right. I'm wayyy over that incident now. Similar thing happened this past weekend with customers looking at me while on stage and not tipping anything. I just let it roll off my back. No biggie. So what if a person doesn't spend money? Yeah, it sucks. But, we just have to move on...