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Re: Outside the Club (aka "The Holy Grail")
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Originally Posted by Jenny
She clearly approached the DJ for advice on HER behalf, not MW's, and he didn't say - Look Honey, I think MW really deserves some cheap sexual gratification from you, so just do it already" thus making his agenda clear. He told her that she was "special"(???) and certainly allowed her to believe that he was considering her point of view, not MW.
I don't think you realize it, but even in this you've started with the assumption that she hadn't already more or less made up her mind. That she is (convienently) a moron, empty headed, and that she had to consult the DJ to figure out what to do and that the DJs opinions are what decided it for her. Without realizing it you've stripped of her power to choose for herself and assigned her decision making powers to someone else (and through implication, the responsibility for the decision to someone else).
Irregardless of what the DJ told her, I'd assume she had 99% made up her decision either way, and the DJs input was more or less irrelevant, that she would have found someone else (if not in this case, then in another) to justify a decision to do what she did. And by that logic, I'd assume that 99% of the responsibility of her choice lies with herself.
There is the old saying among hypnotists that you really cant make people do things that they really don't want to do.
Unfortunately people do have to learn to watch out for themselves, and people do take advantage of each other. Sounds like she got sex and money out of it. For all I know she is happy with the arrangment. She got to have sex with a customer she likes, and she received 300 for it. It may seem like she got the upperhand to her. But its a big assumption to assume that she thinks she got taken advantage of. We don't know that because she isn't here to tell us that.
p.s. Should a DJ always take the girls and protect the girls? That would be somewhat admirable I suppose. But probably not realistic. Anyway we are hearing this related from MWs side. Who knows what really happened and was fully said. In the end though everyone has to watch out for themselves because people do take advantage of others and they rationalize it away. All we can do is watch our own backs and choose our own paths.
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Re: Outside the Club (aka "The Holy Grail")
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Originally Posted by xdamage
Here is your quote:
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Originally Posted by Jenny
Getting someone that this (evidently) borderline retarded girl (who seems to, for some reason, actually like you) trusts to manipulate her into turning tricks?
Short version - she is retarded, and she was manipulated into turning tricks.
I read, she is not really responsible for her part in the matter, and that she did what she did because she was manipulated to turn tricks, not because she weighed all of the info she had and chose to.
I was sorta taken aback by her "retarded" comment too x. I've known Ms. J for quite some time now (almost 2 yrs) and it has taken her that long to finally trust me enough to have an actual play date. Sure, our times spent together have been well chronicled here through the last two years or so but having a play date, in which there were absolutely no strings, was always the end goal. Well, I will venture to say she enjoyed it just as much as I did and even better when I slipped some green in her purse.
Retarded? no.
Hot, in need of money, opportunistic, prudent? Yes.
One thing is for sure... There will be another playdate. }:D
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Re: Outside the Club (aka "The Holy Grail")
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Originally Posted by Moneywise
I was sorta taken aback by her "retarded" comment too x. I've known Ms. J for quite some time now (almost 2 yrs) and it has taken her that long to finally trust me enough to have an actual play date. Sure, our times spent together have been well chronicled here through the last two years or so but having a play date, in which there were absolutely no strings, was always the end goal. Well, I will venture to say she enjoyed it just as much as I did and even better when I slipped some green in her purse.
Retarded? no.
Hot, in need of money, opportunistic, prudent? Yes.
One thing is for sure... There will be another playdate. }:D
After 2 years with you I'd assume that she has already more or less made up her mind. Also she is not a brand new dancer and completely wet behind the ears. I think people tend to more or less do what they are going to do no matter what others advise. By the time they are going to others seeking approval they have often already more or less made up their minds. Someone that was really truly anti-OTC wouldn't let it get that far. If it hadn't been with you I'd gamble that it would eventually be with someone else.
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Re: Outside the Club (aka "The Holy Grail")
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Originally Posted by xdamage
I don't think you realize it, but even in this you've started with the assumption that she hadn't already more or less made up her mind.
I'm starting with the assumption that she wanted advice from the person she asked advice from. To me, that assumption seems much safer and more probable than some of the contentions that she was in fact looking to further gratify herself through the DJs approbation. And she very likely approached BECAUSE he was a mutual acquaintance and because she thinks there are some nuances to this situation (because it always seems special when it's you).
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That she is (convienently) a moron, empty headed, and that she had to consult the DJ to figure out what to do and that the DJs opinions are what decided it for her.
No. I pretty much thought she was a moron because of what MW has posted about her in the past. And I am keeping the DJ's advice just as that - advice. I still don't think it's nice to use what influence you have on an agenda to use a person to sexually gratify your friends. I'm really kind of surprised that I have to keep repeating this - to me it seems so obvious.
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Without realizing it you've stripped of her power to choose for herself and assigned her decision making powers to someone else (and through implication, the responsibility for the decision to someone else).
No more so than with my hypothetical man whose friend is helping a stripper fuck him over. Yes, he necessarily get the responsibility for his "choices" (because, after all, it is his bank account that is empty), but that doesn't make it nice or acceptable behaviour on the part of the friend.
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Irregardless of what the DJ told her, I'd assume she had 99% made up her decision either way, and the DJs input was more or less irrelevant, that she would have found someone else (if not in this case, then in another) to justify a decision to do what she did. And by that logic, I'd assume that 99% of the responsibility of her choice lies with herself.
Okay this is making me crazy. Regardless. Not "irregardless." And (just in case anyone is out there making this mistake) "regimen". Not "regime." I don't know why these two things drive me up the wall. I think I get it from my dad. I'm starting out with the assumption that she is not looking to justify what she wants to do, but is actually looking for advice, to better make her own decision. I occasionally seek advice from my friends - I don't think that means that I am forfeiting my decisions. And yes, it may have turned out the exact same was regardless. However, that doesn't make his pattern of behaviour less appalling (because, yes, I think it is important that he has behaved in similar ways frequently in the past). And (once again) it doesn't matter why she is approaching him, because he has no control over that, her, her wants, needs or desires. What he can control is his own behaviour, therefore his behaviour, not hers is what he needs to govern.
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There is the old saying among hypnotists that you really cant make people do things that they really don't want to do.
Okay, but that is obviously not true (well, maybe through hypnotism, I don't know). Yes you can. You can force people in various situation, and even without force you can certainly be pressured. I have been pressured to do many things I don't want to do - does that mean that I don't have "responsibility"? - no. Obviously, it is my body/money/whatever that suffers (or gains) as a result, and nobody elses. However does that make it nice or acceptable for people to pressure me? No. It does not. Because even if they are not in control of my behaviour, they are in control of their own.
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Unfortunately people do have to learn to watch out for themselves, and people do take advantage of each other.
And that makes it nice and acceptable for your friends to pimp you out? Because you need to learn to watch out for yourself? Geez. I'm glad you're not my friend.
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Sounds like she got sex and money out of it. For all I know she is happy with the arrangment. She got to have sex with a customer she likes, and she received 300 for it. It may seem like she got the upperhand to her. But its a big assumption to assume that she thinks she got taken advantage of. We don't know that because she isn't here to tell us that.
We similarly don't know that she is happy with it. But somehow you guys have no problem assuming that. She could have gone home and cried in the shower while beating her head off the wall. Or she could have shrugged and been glad she was in bed by 2.00. Or she could be like "I wonder if this means he really, really likes me?" Ultimately, it doesn't matter. Because her behaviour isn't really at issue here - she exchanged money for sex, and either liked it or didn't. People make similar choices about money all the time (should I do something I like/don't like for money?). And ultimately, it has no real impact on the DJs behaviour. This is problem. I am talking about one person, and you are hell bent on talking about the other. Which, if you find the girl more interesting, probably most people here do to - but you certainly don't need to drag me and my personal disgust with MW's DJ friend into that.
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Re: Outside the Club (aka "The Holy Grail")
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Originally Posted by Moneywise
I was sorta taken aback by her "retarded" comment too x. I've known Ms. J for quite some time now (almost 2 yrs) and it has taken her that long to finally trust me enough to have an actual play date. Sure, our times spent together have been well chronicled here through the last two years or so but having a play date, in which there were absolutely no strings, was always the end goal. Well, I will venture to say she enjoyed it just as much as I did and even better when I slipped some green in her purse.
Retarded? no.
Hot, in need of money, opportunistic, prudent? Yes.
One thing is for sure... There will be another playdate. }:D
Okay - I'm sorry I called her retarded. However it seems to me that if she were in need of money, there are ways of getting higher amounts than what you are offering for similar activities (this is the same girl who let you finger her for like $5.00, right?) and if she really, really likes you then she should be bright enough to see that keeping a relationship on status that it has been is not such a good idea. Plus, I've got to say, that the way you refer to her - as constantly smoking, etc, you don't seem to think that she is wildly intelligent.
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Re: Outside the Club (aka "The Holy Grail")
Let me start by saying I am feeling strangely like Mr. P dissecting back and forth with you. Sorry, I can’t hold that torch. I don’t have enough time in my day to go back and forth.
Ok, with that having been said…
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Originally Posted by Jenny
(this is the same girl who let you finger her for like $5.00, right?)
Actually more like $5.75. I purchased a drink for her that night.
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Originally Posted by Jenny
Okay - I'm sorry I called her retarded.
aight.
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Originally Posted by Jenny
and if she really, really likes you then she should be bright enough to see that keeping a relationship on status that it has been is not such a good idea.
Why not? I have obviously stated I enjoyed it so much that I am saving for the next trip to Disney.
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Plus, I've got to say, that the way you refer to her - as constantly smoking, etc, you don't seem to think that she is wildly intelligent.
Wrong. This doesn’t surprise me. Let me set you straight. I commonly refer to her smoking because there’s a little man inside of me that wants to light it up just as frequently as she does. However, there’s another little man inside that speak a bit louder. He says that my job, which affords me the opportunity to enjoy my little diversion quite often, is much more important than any short lived high. I can get that high from other things like pulling hair and skirting boundaries.
Therefore, I occasionally refer to her cheeb affinity because I also have a suppressed affinity for it as well. I had this experience in a hotel room with a girlfriend in Coff’s Harbor (I’ll never forget that trip) about 15 years ago. We were on a trip from Sydney to Brisbane to meet her parents. I was on 30 days leave from the military. We spent the night in Coff’s Harbor and both smoked so much cheeb that I was hallucinating. To this day I have never had sex that rivaled that night. Whenever I think of her I think of how absolutely smashed I got that night. Good memories… I can’t do that nowadays simply because I have to be on my toes at all times when working. I’m also a bit older and “wiser” I guess.
So, in conclusion, my references to her smoking aren’t meant as put downs in any way, shape, or form. ;)
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Re: Outside the Club (aka "The Holy Grail")
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Originally Posted by Moneywise
J: (insert worthless BFs name here) knows I’m with you.
MW: Good.
J: No oral ok. That’s too intimate.
MW: (empty stare)
bwhhahahah...i know that stare. i've given that stare. it cracks me up when strippers talk about the stuff they don't do and they go ahead and do it anyway.
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Originally Posted by Moneywise
Actually more like $5.75. I purchased a drink for her that night.
:rotfl:
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Originally Posted by Jenny
Okay - I'm sorry I called her retarded. However it seems to me that if she were in need of money, there are ways of getting higher amounts than what you are offering for similar activities (this is the same girl who let you finger her for like $5.00, right?) and if she really, really likes you then she should be bright enough to see that keeping a relationship on status that it has been is not such a good idea. Plus, I've got to say, that the way you refer to her - as constantly smoking, etc, you don't seem to think that she is wildly intelligent.
oh, why even bother apologizing? i'm sure you still think she's retarded. however, if you think she's retarded then there must be a lot of retarded strippers in your industry because what's she's doing isn't all that unusual. personally, i think she's flaky. then again, your industry attracts this type quite a bit. frankly, i have no idea about her intelligence. she could be a marie curie (albeit a flaky one) in a g-string for all i know.
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Originally Posted by Jenny
However if she had no ambivalence about being there she probably wouldn't have asked the guy in the first place. She asked his advice and MW specifically details how the guy gave the advice specifically to benefit him, not her. That is not nice. And evidently this guy has a history of lying to and manipulating dancers to sexually gratify one of his friends. It's nasty and horrid. Honestly, it's one thing when customers do it - you can't expect customers to look out for you, and there is certainly no violation of trust when they lie and and manipulate you (or attempt to) - in this case however, with the DJ, there clearly is.
true, you can't expect customers to look out for the stripper. it's not his obligation. like any good customer (or stripper for that matter), MW is playing all the angles. it's like i told him, a friendly smile, a warm handshake and some folded up bills in the palm of your hand can go a long way in a sc and not only with the strippers, but with the staff as well. they can be very useful at facilitating the process.
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Originally Posted by Jenny
I still don't think it's nice to use what influence you have on an agenda to use a person to sexually gratify your friends. I'm really kind of surprised that I have to keep repeating this - to me it seems so obvious.
certainly, you're not surprised by this? i'm sure, you have some idea of kind people you're working with, don't you? frankly, i get the feeling that some of these people (waitresses, bouncers, managers, etc) would not only sell me the stripper, but they would send her C.O.D. as well.
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Re: Outside the Club (aka "The Holy Grail")
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Originally Posted by mr_punk
oh, why even bother apologizing? i'm sure you still think she's retarded.
Well, I doubt she is actually retarded (and really, it doesn't seem nice) - but probably not the brightest cookie in the jar (and yeah. I mixed my metaphors. What are you going to do about it? I wouldn't know how to make that metaphor fit really - like the tastiest cookie in the jar? It seems to refer to something different. Maybe the cookie with the most chips? But that would be discriminating against non-chipped cookies. Cookes of the shortbread variety, for example.) Drawing on all the dancers I have ever met, I would say that she is powered by A) inertia - she's so used to having him as a customer that she is not really noticing that he is not buying the dances anymore or B) cannot decide whether or not she likes him more than money - and again, doesn't notice that he doesn't buy dances anymore. If she were in it sheerly for the money, she could do better - especially if she is as hot as MW says ($60.00 an hour? C'mon) and if she's in it because she is in love with MW - well, good luck to her. Twit.
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however, if you think she's retarded then there must be a lot of retarded strippers in your industry because what's she's doing isn't all that unusual.
Well, yeah. There are. I can't help but wonder when girls who are as pretty or prettier than me are giving a lot more up for the same or less money. It seems like they would be either more selective and less giving or simply be getting paid a lot more. It's a mystery. I have come to the conclusion it is because they are not bright, and are to be pitied, not ridiculed or hated. But, that could just be me with my limitless compassion.
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true, you can't expect customers to look out for the stripper. it's not his obligation. like any good customer (or stripper for that matter), MW is playing all the angles. it's like i told him, a friendly smile, a warm handshake and some folded up bills in the palm of your hand can go a long way in a sc and not only with the strippers, but with the staff as well. they can be very useful at facilitating the process.
Yeah, like I said. But I always thought you meant that they would hook you up with girls known for that activity. Not that they would use friendly influence to pimp you out. There you go. I'm so naive. Plus I don't think he is paying the DJ for his service - if he was the DJ would be professionally as well as morally obligated to disclose his agenda to the chick. MW is clearly one of those guys that thinks he is on the inside of the club. One of my roommates is a waitress - she says that she has customers like that - who come in all the time and think that they live there.
{QUOTE]certainly, you're not surprised by this? i'm sure, you have some idea of kind people you're working with, don't you? frankly, i get the feeling that some of these people (waitresses, bouncers, managers, etc) would not only sell me the stripper, but they would send her C.O.D. as well.[/QUOTE]
Well, evidently I am. And, evidently not. I am reasonably certain nobody has ever tried this with me - although I'm kind of socially oblivious, so it's possible they have and I just didn't notice. So either - nobody has ever wanted to pay to fuck me outside the club or the people I've been working with are a lot nicer than the people you are used to. Or people have been trying to talk me into fucking their friends and I just never noticed. I'm going with the people that I work are nicer (read that they have a modicum of human decency - maybe ONLY a modicum, but that first one is the important modicum).
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Re: Outside the Club (aka "The Holy Grail")
I ventured by last night. TR forthcoming. It should be pretty good.
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Originally Posted by Jenny
A) inertia - she's so used to having him as a customer that she is not really noticing that he is not buying the dances anymore or B) cannot decide whether or not she likes him more than money - and again, doesn't notice that he doesn't buy dances anymore. If she were in it sheerly for the money, she could do better - especially if she is as hot as MW says ($60.00 an hour? C'mon) and if she's in it because she is in love with MW - well, good luck to her. Twit.
Jenny Jenny Jenny… so so misguided… I slipped her a twenty as she danced on the side stage last night. As she lied there on her back with her legs spread eagle she looked me in the eyes and said “This feels so weird now”.
For the record I occasionally buy a dance or two from her just to “keep it real”.
She is hot. However, I negotiate as though the hostage’s life depends on it. Remember, I can take a secret to the grave. Take special notice of the period of time that passed between my initial offer of 100 per hr of QT and the time we finally hooked up. I'm a very patient person.
I’m sure if I gave her more she would take it with no qualms. However, she knows me better than that. My money is well spent nowadays. I'm now living up to my chosen screen name. *grin*
I hope she’s not in love with me because love is the last thing I am looking for.
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MW is clearly one of those guys that thinks he is on the inside of the club. One of my roommates is a waitress - she says that she has customers like that - who come in all the time and think that they live there.
Let’s me straighten you out a little. I don’t think I am on the inside of anything. I’m nothing more than a well paying customer that enjoys tipping better than most others (waitresses and bartenders included) and having a little fun. I keep my agenda(s) to myself for the most part. I rub elbows with management of this particular club as well as the bartenders and waitresses.
I can’t help the fact that they think higher of me simply because they know I tip well. That’s the nature of their business. Give those that are gentlemanly, tip well, and fun to be around a little special treatment. I no longer pay a cover. When I walk up usually a manager, bartender, or waitress is sitting near the door. They usually greet me and I walk right in ambivalent to the door person.
I’m not one of those that thinks he’s part of the club walls. That’s not my style. I venture in occasionally whenever P is working the booth. On the days that he’s working and I don’t go or call he calls me wondering where I am. On average I hit it once a week. That’s a far cry your impression of me. On the contrary, I thoroughly enjoy the other 90% of the life I live. ;)
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Originally Posted by Jenny
{QUOTE] I am reasonably certain nobody has ever tried this with me - although I'm kind of socially oblivious, so it's possible they have and I just didn't notice. So either - nobody has ever wanted to pay to fuck me outside the club or the people I've been working with are a lot nicer than the people you are used to. Or people have been trying to talk me into fucking their friends and I just never noticed. I'm going with the people that I work are nicer (read that they have a modicum of human decency - maybe ONLY a modicum, but that first one is the important modicum).
Do you wear blinders at work? I mean that as to question just how much of what goes on inside your club you really see. Perhaps you just block it out. I’ve frequented a few clubs and pretty much the same goes on in all of them. What you know is all about who you know.
I’ll go work on that TR now since last night was something to write about. :P
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Re: Outside the Club (aka "The Holy Grail")
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Originally Posted by Moneywise
Jenny Jenny Jenny… so so misguided…
I know! You'd think I'd just rolled out of bed.
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She is hot. However, I negotiate as though the hostage’s life depends on it.
Remember, I can take a secret to the grave.
As we've witnessed. Tell us about the positions again....
No, I'm kidding. I'm sure your neogotiating skills are something to be reckoned with. But I generally make $300 in less than 5 hours while not exchanging fluids. And I'm not that hot, and my ass cannot even begin to approach that kind of magnificence. So it can't just be about cash.
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I hope she’s not in love with me because love is the last thing I am looking for.
So, like I said - good luck to her.
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Let’s me straighten you out a little. I don’t think I am on the inside of anything.
I'm sorry - that sounded really unpleasant, didn't it? I drank so much coffee this morning that I was typing way faster than I was talking.
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I’m nothing more than a well paying customer that enjoys tipping better than most others (waitresses and bartenders included) and having a little fun.
I'm sorry, 5.75 is considered a good tip in your neighbourhood? I mean for that kind of service? I'm sure you're a good tipper as a general rule. However, you can't think that $60 an hour is really that good of a deal for full, out of club service - especially for someone as desirable as you describe this young lady. So there seems to be something else involved here. I was an English major. I tend to look for patterns.
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I can’t help the fact that they think higher of me simply because they know I tip well.
Oh, you could too. If you really wanted to.
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Do you wear blinders at work? I mean that as to question just how much of what goes on inside your club you really see. Perhaps you just block it out. I’ve frequented a few clubs and pretty much the same goes on in all of them. What you know is all about who you know.
As I said - it's possible, but I'm not sure it's likely. I'm pretty socially retarded, so.... I'm reasonably certain that nobody has ever done it to me personally, and I don't tend to involve myself heavily with other people - so again, I just might not notice. But again - surely there is a difference between hooking a customer up with a girl who is seeking out that sort of activity and using your influence to lie to the girls so that customers can finger them in the booth?
Again - my snippiness on my last post notwithstanding I am not criticizing you for paying the girl only 300, for fucking the girl and I certainly haven't implied that the sex was anything but consensual activity between two adults.
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Re: Outside the Club (aka "The Holy Grail")
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Retarded? no.
Hot, in need of money, opportunistic, prudent? Yes.
Many dancers fall into this category. Doesn't make them bad people, nor the custies that facilitate their pursuit of such OTC activity.
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Again - my snippiness on my last post notwithstanding I am not criticizing you for paying the girl only 300, for fucking the girl and I certainly haven't implied that the sex was anything but consensual activity between two adults.
But the bulk of what you've written in the last two pages implies undue malicious influence, if not on the part of MW, then the DJ. Surely you see the dichotomy?
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Re: Outside the Club (aka "The Holy Grail")
I think, Jenny, that there is something more going on as well . . . but I also think there's a preponderance of bad business sense here.
As far as no one trying this on you, no one's tried to pimp me out of the club, either, but that's because they can tell we're the kind of girls they won't have luck trying it with. The other possibility is that no one would want to pay money to have sex with us, but the offers we receive nullify that.
MW, I know you're trying to have fun and all, but I forsee draaaamaaaa in your fuuuutuuure if you keep hanging out at this club. Pick businesswomen.
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Re: Outside the Club (aka "The Holy Grail")
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Originally Posted by Jenny
Drawing on all the dancers I have ever met, I would say that she is powered by A) inertia - she's so used to having him as a customer that she is not really noticing that he is not buying the dances anymore or B) cannot decide whether or not she likes him more than money - and again, doesn't notice that he doesn't buy dances anymore. If she were in it sheerly for the money, she could do better - especially if she is as hot as MW says ($60.00 an hour? C'mon) and if she's in it because she is in love with MW - well, good luck to her. Twit.
true, she could do better moneywise (no pun intended) and she could be a little more cautious. however, when a customer like MW has been dealing with a stripper for a while in the biblical sense ITC and OTC. sometimes, events can take a strange turn. you offer them the POP and they take less money because she tells you that she's not a ho. you might plan on buying ten or more laps from her and she's stops you at five because she doesn't want you to spend all your money. i have no idea why strippers do such flaky things. it could very be for all the reasons you stated above.
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Well, yeah. There are. I can't help but wonder when girls who are as pretty or prettier than me are giving a lot more up for the same or less money. It seems like they would be either more selective and less giving or simply be getting paid a lot more. It's a mystery. I have come to the conclusion it is because they are not bright, and are to be pitied, not ridiculed or hated. But, that could just be me with my limitless compassion.
sc are counterintuitive in a way. strippers and customers often assume that the hotter looking broads in the club either don't do extras or earn the most money because of their beauty. however, there is no direct correlation between beauty and flakiness or a lack thereof. you can never really tell because hotter broads can actually turn out to be flakier than a biscuit.
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Yeah, like I said. But I always thought you meant that they would hook you up with girls known for that activity. Not that they would use friendly influence to pimp you out.
it's both. how do you think some of those new girls get started? a new stripper is crying that she's broke and needs money fast. a waitress tells her about some customer in the club who can solve all of her problems. she tells her that he's a really great guy with a wad of cash. it's easy money and she doesn't have too hustle...blah, blah, blah. it's not unusual for a stripper to find herself getting "managed" by some type of suitcase pimp either on the staff or by somebody else.
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Plus I don't think he is paying the DJ for his service - if he was the DJ would be professionally as well as morally obligated to disclose his agenda to the chick. MW is clearly one of those guys that thinks he is on the inside of the club. One of my roommates is a waitress - she says that she has customers like that - who come in all the time and think that they live there.
why would he pay a DJ? you don't always have to pay. a friendly smile and a warm handshake is all you need sometimes to build up a rapport. in some ways, sc are like a good ol' boys club. a lot of guys do hang out and schmooze with the staff and management who in turn tend to either give them preferential treatment or turn their heads at certain indiscretions.
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I hope she’s not in love with me because love is the last thing I am looking for.
i hope you have a good "it's me. it's not you." speech planned when it's time to move on to greener pastures. remember, never burn your bridges, MW. some of these biatches are crazy.
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I'm reasonably certain that nobody has ever done it to me personally, and I don't tend to involve myself heavily with other people - so again, I just might not notice.
that's probably the best thing any stripper could do to protect herself. don't get too involved with your co-workers. you'll just get sucked into a whirlwind of drama.
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Re: Outside the Club (aka "The Holy Grail")
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Originally Posted by Susan Wayward
I think, Jenny, that there is something more going on as well.
What would make you think that? I, personally, couldn’t see P pimping anyone out. Then again, I do proclaim to still be a bit naïve in the ways of the SC. I’ve seen a lot but also am humbled by the knowledge that there’s still a lot I haven’t seen and probably don’t want to see.
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Originally Posted by Susan Wayward
MW, I know you're trying to have fun and all, but I forsee draaaamaaaa in your fuuuutuuure if you keep hanging out at this club. Pick businesswomen.
Could you elaborate? I will admit that last night when I was there and locked eyes with both she and her loser BF for a second I did feel a bit uncomfy. They were standing near the entrance to the LD area and when I emerged from the booth both were looking me right in the face. I’m not in it to cause strife between them. I just went for something I had been wanting for awhile.
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Originally Posted by mr_punk
it's not unusual for a stripper to find herself getting "managed" by some type of suitcase pimp either on the staff or by somebody else.
hmm… I really couldn’t imagine P’s intentions were to pimp her out. He just knew what I had offered awhile back and knew, based upon his inside knowledge of many personal dispositions of the dancers, that my offer would soon come to fruition. The “suitcase pimp” analogy is an interesting one though. I’m probably too close to some of the people I associate with at my ol stomping grounds. Yet still, I draw a solid line between my RL & that small percentage of my time spent in a SC.
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Originally Posted by mr_punk
i hope you have a good "it's me. it's not you." speech planned when it's time to move on to greener pastures. remember, never burn your bridges, MW. some of these biatches are crazy.
It’s not supposed to ever get that complicated but I suppose if it ever does I will give my best Academy Award winning performance yet.
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Re: Outside the Club (aka "The Holy Grail")
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Originally Posted by Jenny
Well, yeah. There are. I can't help but wonder when girls who are as pretty or prettier than me are giving a lot more up for the same or less money. It seems like they would be either more selective and less giving or simply be getting paid a lot more. It's a mystery.
No mystery. Some girls who are as pretty as you like fun sex more than you do. MW's fun friend is in love... with Frazier. :)
I don't like her BF baiting, though. MW might have to move to Austin in the federal Hot Guy Relocation Program. :O
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Re: Outside the Club (aka "The Holy Grail")
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Originally Posted by Moneywise
Could you elaborate? I will admit that last night when I was there and locked eyes with both she and her loser BF for a second I did feel a bit uncomfy. They were standing near the entrance to the LD area and when I emerged from the booth both were looking me right in the face. I’m not in it to cause strife between them. I just went for something I had been wanting for awhile.
"Could you elaborate" and then he answers his own question! Can someone pass the popcorn? The real drama is about to begin. Shhhhhh, Jenny, you're going to miss the pivotal scene where it's revealed that this interaction between J and MW was a really badddd idea.
-Ev
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Re: Outside the Club (aka "The Holy Grail")
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Originally Posted by evan_essence
"Could you elaborate" and then he answers his own question! Can someone pass the popcorn? The real drama is about to begin. Shhhhhh, Jenny, you're going to miss the pivotal scene where it's revealed that this interaction between J and MW was a really badddd idea.
-Ev
Why was it such a bad idea? According to my horoscope I should be spreading the MW love.
http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/astro/lib43.gif Libra Daily extended (by Astrology.com)
Your genuine interest in people gets you over any rough spots you might experience today, especially once flightier types realize that you're not interested in half-hearted commitments or quick fixes. Diplomacy is your raison d'etre, and you make a point to follow through on each promise you give. That alone could win you a legion of fans, but your dedication to your fellow human gives them even more reason to love you.
;D Hell, it might get a little dramatic but I have never met any drama I couldn't handle.
The BF knowing that we were together does make me feel weird though. Hopefully she doesn't tell him the dick was better and keeps that to herself. I know how we, especially men, can get when we feel a little threatened. Wars start and thousands of young people die.
So hopefully she told him I fucked like one of Jerry's kids.
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Re: Outside the Club (aka "The Holy Grail")
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Originally Posted by Moneywise
hmm....I really couldn’t imagine P’s intentions were to pimp her out. He just knew what I had offered awhile back and knew, based upon his inside knowledge of many personal dispositions of the dancers, that my offer would soon come to fruition. The "suitcase pimp" analogy is an interesting one though. I’m probably too close to some of the people I associate with at my ol stomping grounds. Yet still, I draw a solid line between my RL & that small percentage of my time spent in a SC.
no, i don't think he's going around intending to pimp out the girls either. however, he did facilitate the process very much like they do. my two cents..the guy just thought, "MW is my boy. so, i'm going to do this favor for him".
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Originally Posted by Moneywise
Could you elaborate? I will admit that last night when I was there and locked eyes with both she and her loser BF for a second I did feel a bit uncomfy. They were standing near the entrance to the LD area and when I emerged from the booth both were looking me right in the face. I’m not in it to cause strife between them. I just went for something I had been wanting for awhile.
her loser BF is hanging around at the club and you want her to elaborate? how do you think he's going to react if he finds out that you are the reason for him losing his meal ticket? sometimes, you have to pick your spots in order to avoid the drama, MW. some strippers are fine for dragging into a corner and getting nasty ITC. however, that doesn't necessarily mean it's a good idea to see them OTC. strippers can be a lot flakier OTC than inside.
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Originally Posted by Moneywise
It’s not supposed to ever get that complicated but I suppose if it ever does I will give my best Academy Award winning performance yet.
i'm sure you know it's just a booty call. i just wonder if she knows it's because sometimes strippers don't know it's just booty call.
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Re: Outside the Club (aka "The Holy Grail")
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Originally Posted by mr_punk
..the guy just thought, "MW is my boy. so, i'm going to do this favor for him".
That’s what I think too.
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Originally Posted by mr_punk
her loser BF is hanging around at the club and you want her to elaborate? how do you think he's going to react if he finds out that you are the reason for him losing his meal ticket?
According to her their relationship (if you want to call it that) is already in bad shape anyways so it’s not like I am wrecking a happy home.
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Originally Posted by mr_punk
sometimes, you have to pick your spots in order to avoid the drama, MW.
This is a very tough lesson for me to learn in the SC environment.
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Originally Posted by mr_punk
i'm sure you know it's just a booty call. i just wonder if she knows it's because sometimes strippers don't know it's just booty call.
I sure wish I did know what she was thinking (aside from what she divulged to P).
Did she keep the details from her BF?
Did she tell him I asked that question while I had a full on death grip in her hair?
Did she tell him the sex was good?
Did she perhaps lie and tell him things didn’t go so well?
Did she perhaps tell him we never fucked and instead lied next to each other and sang cumbajah? (and that I still paid her for that) ::):D::)
Perhaps I should talk to her and find out exactly how much of a secret it still is.
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Re: Outside the Club (aka "The Holy Grail")
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Originally Posted by SportsWriter2
No mystery. Some girls who are as pretty as you like fun sex more than you do.
I bet Jenny likes fun sex quite a bit. The kind she doesn't get paid for and the kind that isn't being used as a) the exploration of the barely post-pubescent or b) a substitute for affection
I don't think that fucking a customer for $60 an hour equals liking fun sex . . . I think at best it boils down to "I won't charge what I could get on the free market because I'm not really a hooker, I'm just curious about this experience."
MW, what exactly do you need me to elaborate on? You banged some stripper for money whose loser BF hangs out in the club, sometimes at the same time you do. There is drama intrinsic in the situation.
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Re: Outside the Club (aka "The Holy Grail")
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Originally Posted by Susan Wayward
MW, what exactly do you need me to elaborate on? You banged some stripper for money whose loser BF hangs out in the club, sometimes at the same time you do. There is drama intrinsic in the situation.
My occasionaly naivity piqued my curiosity. Hence the question to you. It dawned on me after I asked. ;) I understand the connotation of the situation and will treat it with caution.
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Re: Outside the Club (aka "The Holy Grail")
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Originally Posted by Moneywise
Hopefully she doesn't tell him the dick was better and keeps that to herself. ... So hopefully she told him I fucked like one of Jerry's kids.
I'm sure she told him the same thing about your performance as she told you about his. /:O
-Ev
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Re: Outside the Club (aka "The Holy Grail")
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Originally Posted by evan_essence
I'm sure she told him the same thing about your performance as she told you about his. /:O
-Ev
I hope so! If that's the case then I have nothing to worry about. ;)
Some of the things she told me about him (in a sexual sense) while at the movies were just simply amazing. I'll leave out the jucy details because, although I enjoy writing about my experiences, some things are better left untold. I'll just summarize by saying she thinks he's narcoleptic and leave you to let your minds do the rest of the work.
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Re: Outside the Club (aka "The Holy Grail")
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Originally Posted by mr_punk
strippers and customers often assume that the hotter looking broads in the club either don't do extras or earn the most money because of their beauty.
On the contrary - I don't assume that at all. I know far too well that is not true. I do however think that if they are very beautiful and willing to give it up that they SHOULD be making good money, and if they aren't then there is something wrong - like the cookie is maybe not as chippy as it could be.
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however, there is no direct correlation between beauty and flakiness or a lack thereof. you can never really tell because hotter broads can actually turn out to be flakier than a biscuit.
I think when you say flaky I would say not bright. When I say flaky I think I mean something different.
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it's both. how do you think some of those new girls get started? a new stripper is crying that she's broke and needs money fast. a waitress tells her about some customer in the club who can solve all of her problems. she tells her that he's a really great guy with a wad of cash. it's easy money and she doesn't have too hustle...blah, blah, blah. it's not unusual for a stripper to find herself getting "managed" by some type of suitcase pimp either on the staff or by somebody else.
Again - you don't see the difference between this and what the DJ did? Plus, keep in mind that the DJ has a pattern of behaviour.
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Re: Outside the Club (aka "The Holy Grail")
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Originally Posted by Jenny
Again - you don't see the difference between this and what the DJ did? Plus, keep in mind that the DJ has a pattern of behaviour.
I don't know too many SC DJs that wear halos. Oh.. with the exception of your pink site guru DJ that despises me for whatever reason. ::) Oh I remember, because everything I say is a lie. Things that I talk about could never happen in a SC. Those blinders must really begin to chafe the scalp after awhile.