I wanted to make a mix to take to work. What is a good song length. We usually do two song sets at my club. Thanks.
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I wanted to make a mix to take to work. What is a good song length. We usually do two song sets at my club. Thanks.
Just listen to the first two minutes and the first three minutes. They usually cut them after three minutes, two if they're running a special. That's been my experience at every club I've ever visited.
3 minutes, 3.5 max. Anything more lowers profit potential too much.
Every club should cut songs at 3 minutes.
Our club runs 3 songs per set and most dancers(at my club) have songs around 4 minutes... depends on the club your at I guess... ask your DJ.. but if you want to be every girls fav person go for 3 - 3.5 minutes. I love being in VIP when its a short song :D
3 minutes ;D
Here in NY, we usually do 3 song sets, and each song is approx. 3 1/2 minutes.
3-4 min 4 TOPS
I think it depends on the club. Here we normally do two songs but if we have less than 8 girls we do three songs. My songs are never shorter than 5 mins except for my fisrt two and they are both almost 5. We play the song til the end. I hated it at the clubs i was in when they cut my music. That is your time on stage to promote yourself and if you only have 6 mins... thats a trip to the bar and bathroom for some guys and they never see you. Talk to your DJ and see what he reccomends. Beware though, long songs have you very tired when you get done until you build up the endurance.
we do our dances by songs .. i find that 3.5 too 4 mins is good any shorter and you might as well be walking out naked :P
Okay, I'm resuscitating this thread due to a pet peeve of mine that is rapidly developing. (I was torn between starting a new thread and getting the "Been there done that" or reviving an old thread - so I went with the old thread to give credit to those who posted before.)
ANYWAY, yes, the peeve: I've heard and read a lot about this alleged 3 to 3.5 minute cut, and I've seen it being used in other clubs, but it really seems to be either rarely enforced at our club or ignored altogether. It's really been bugging me lately.
I don't mind having my music cut while I'm onstage, since I see it as good for the majority of the club. Why should all the girls giving lapdances have to do, basically, two song lengths for ONE "dance" just because I'm dancing to "Enter Sandman", which is almost 6 minutes? I know it fucks with the musician's artistic integrity, and I do love having the whole song as it's meant to be heard when I'm on stage dancing, but I'd rather it be cut for the principle of its use in this particular environment.
^^^ And especially during our 2for1 specials! Jesus, we get cheated enough during uptime, don't decide that now is the time to play the full-length, uncut version of "Closer"!!! (Yes, this actually happened just last night. Yes, it's exactly 6 minutes and 18 seconds.) Don't even get me started on 10 minute techno extravaganzae.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yekhefah
Also, I get what others are talking about in terms of wanting to maximize exposure on stage, which totally makes sense - but to my mind the obvious answer would be to add another song to the stage dancer's set. Two songs isn't much time, I agree, but isn't it sort of a misfire to fix the situation by intentionally using longer songs without cutting them?
So, that's my rant. Dancers and DJs alike - is there anything I can do? I love our DJs (well, I love two and like one), and I am determined to not become known as a demanding diva. I've also heard other girls complaining, especially when it comes to the techno, but I don't think any one has spoken up about it.
Say something. If other girls are complaining too, then get a bunch together and tell the DJs that if they don't start cutting songs at an equal amount of time, they will get $1 tips every day until they do. hehe
You might try talking to mgmt, but unless they get a cut of your dances, they don't care and won't do anything about it.
It IS important to have songs cut to equal and appropriate lengths. You don't make your money on stage - that's only a "preview" at best. You make your money on the floor. The longer your songs are, the fewer can be played during the shift - hence, the fewer dances you can sell per shift. You want to have MORE songs playing per shift, not less.
For whoever said she requires 5 minute songs on stage - that is the most backwards thinking I've heard regarding stage time. But if you MUST have more time on stage, do it at YOUR OWN expense, not everyone else - add another song instead of using extra long ones ::)
though my strippartime was in a club culture that favored extended songs and backing up songs for stage dancers to get 2 extra dollars, i've found in general the best balance between a good amount of stage time and earning potential is 3.5-4 mins per song. 3mins gets a lot of guys feeling songs are 'too short', and 5+ minutes just creates way too many headaches for the girls. i used to sit there and straight out 2-count 8 minute songs, and i never had a complaint. but some girls will lap dance through a 10 minute epic from a resident stage diva, and that sort of thing is just Not Cool.
I mentioned this before, but here it is again. At many clubs I have worked at around the Philly area, dances are timed at a predetermined length in the back, so song length onstage doesn't actually have all that much to do with it. It works out great. I very rarely play anything past the 3:30-4:00 mark, but their are a few exceptions where it just sounds like you're stepping all over the song if you cut in too early. Never above 4:30, and then I make sure to back it up with something shorter. I can throw in "I Wanna Be Sedated" or "Good Times Bad Times" if I want to, because no guy in the back feels ripped off that it was a 2:20 song this way. My ladies do 3 song sets, and I try to keep them around 10-ish minutes. More time to work the floor/do dances/VIP's etc, means more money. It's not a difficult equation. I agree with having a little chat with the DJ's about this. Perhaps first on a one-on-one basis, and if that's not effective, THEN bring in some backup. (BTW, go online and look for the short edit of "Closer'. It's 4 minutes, including the piano at the end. Not that I condone ever hearing that song again, of course.)
Thanks for your thoughts, y'all. Yeah, Brigette, I think I will say somthing, it's just a matter of what exactly (and how and when) to say.
THAT is the best solution EVER. Everyone's happy! Man, I want to dance in Philly.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrChristopher
I totally agree that awkward cuts should definitely be avoided - I certainly don't think a song should ever be cut at 3.5 exactly JUST to make the timing right, but come on, when a song is 6+, there has to have been a point somewhere between 4 and 6 minutes that would have worked as a transition point to fade!Quote:
Originally Posted by MrChristopher
Ha! I agree about hearing the ubiquity of "Closer", too, even though I like other NIN . . . yeah, I know there's an edit out there, but our DJ's just don't seem to have it. In the past they have faded the long version early, but not lately. Ugh, during that so-called 2for1 the other night, I kept doing my finishing-up moves over and over again, waiting for the fade, and waiting, and waiting, and waiting, and waiting, and waiting, and waiting - the dancers started shooting each other WTF looks . . . I managed to keep it together enough to joke with my customer about it a little, like "Lucky you, getting such an epic for a second song!" and he totally agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrChristopher
Anyway, a-ha! Maybe that could be my opener for discussing it with the DJs, I could burn them a copy of that edit and mention that particular incident from the other night - it's a bigger problem than that, really, but the "3for1" is a good, specific example. Thanks for the idea, MrC!
(Grrr, I can't find it on iTunes - any other ideas?)