What's a graceful way to demand the money upfront for table dances?
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What's a graceful way to demand the money upfront for table dances?
There is no graceful way to do that unless you work in a club that has a dance ticket or chip system that requires up front payment to the DJ before each dance.
The only thing you can do is collect after the dances are done but in a multiple dance situation, after 3 dances let's say request payment for the prior 3 dances before continuing.
No one will pay you up front aside from the ways I mentioned, unless of couse it is a VIP or Champagne room situation where the club collects the entire fee upfront and pays you your cut later.
This tends to be more along club custom. I have been to clubs where one pay's before the dance in cash (or what have you.) You just ask for it.
I always get my money upfront. and experience of doing three for nothing taught me. The guy was drunk and didnt realize he had spnet as much as he did. I just let the guys know i am not trying to be rude, but it is necessary. you pay for most things before you use them.
I agree with Kharisma, I gt my money up front unless it is a reg that i know will pay. Just tell them, " you ready for a dance?" "yes" "twnety dollars please" BIG SMILE! If they get mad tell them you have been ripped off in the past or you sometimes forget to get the money afterewards. the only guys that have ever given me shit later ripped off other girls or i found out that they didnt have the money. Always get it up front.
Even if a guy gets offended, most will back down if you politely explain why. "I know it sounds mean, but I've been burned in the past, so I have to cover myself. You know what I mean?" Really play it up. The ones that get truly offended by you asking for the money up front are not gentlemen and truly are trying to manipulate the situation.
A few previous threads on said subject:
http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=41419
http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=40671
http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28896
http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28955
http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=38994
If you're in a club where prepayment is customary, you shouldn't have much of a problem, (except from out of towners who aren't used to it). Now if you're doing this on your own in a club where its customary to pay at the end, well....expect to encounter resistance, and some of it downright nasty.
Well, if they're making a big hissyfist over it, probably so, but completely dismissing customers who object to prepayment is broadbrushing the situation a bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Abbeynormal
Here are my two main objections with the practice (even if it is club mandated):
Objection #1 - I'm trying to cover myself too. A cardinal fact about lap dances is that whomever is holding the money during the performance is holding the power. I understand dancers want to protect themselves from ripoffs, but they happen the other way too. Once I hand over the money, I essentially have no recourse should the dancer give a lousy performance, or spend the entire song hustling me to go to VIP, or worst case scenario, just walk off without fulfilling her end of the bargain.
If a gal is asking for prepayment when it isn't customary, thats likely to throw up a red flag on the customer's radar.
And the bigger one...
Objection #2 - You're selling something of indeterminate quantity and I don't have ESP.
True, but dances have a uniquity to them that other goods or services do not. If I go to a movie and pay for my ticket upfront, its no problem really because I know that I'm going to see exactly one movie. If I go to McDonalds, no problem again because I generally know what quantity of food I'm eating.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kharisma
But when a guy buys a dance, it might not be just one song, it might be two songs, or three, or five, or seventeen, and he often doesn't know what that magic number will be until he's reached it and decides that he's finished. Its in your best interest monetarily speaking to sell him as many as you possibly can.
But if you want to sell a guy a long string of dances, you've got to get his mood meter going in the right direction, and you put a huge crimp in that task when you ask for money up front. Even if he agrees and ponies up, if that first dance isn't excellent, you more than likely won't be selling hm a second one, or get a tip from him. Esspecially if he knows you have co-workers who will let him pay at the end.
Now, will I personally pay up front? Of course. If I've agreed to a dance with a gal, I'll pay upfront for the only quantity I know at that time I'll be buying from her...one song.
I've had a number of girls ask for prepayment (although in these parts I could count them on my hands), and while the majority of them were honest practitioners who did a "satisfactory" job, do you know how many of them in ten years of clubbing have got me to buy a second dance? Zero.
So while your motivation to cover the risk of being ripped off is understandable, do take into consideration that you're exposing yourself to a different risk when you take that coverage. You'll have to assess for yourself which one is going to cost you more money in the long run.
I ony ask for the $ upfront when they are drunk,or really young punk like. Otherwise I get it after. I always get it after one way or another.
In my experience, the times that I've asked for the twenty for the dance up front, it's negatively altered the mood and anticipation for the guy. And like someone said before, forget it if you want to sell multiple dances. it's nearly impossible to do it that way. The manager of my club keeps telling us girls to get the money up front, but the girls rarely do. it's just damn awkward. If almost none of the girls in your club get their money up front, you'll probably get wierd looks when you ask for it up front. it's whatever the norm is for the club. On the other hand, unless there's a strict club rule about when to collect the dance money, it's whatever the dancer feels comfortable with. Me, I'd rather take my chances on getting f-ed on a few than selling less dances in the long run. I must say, though, that some guys have given me a bad feeling, been very drunk, or other various red flags and I've either asked for it up front, or have been VERY CLEAR that dances are 20 EACH. And I ask, "so is it a go?" if I only get a nod or if I didnt hear clearly. Or on multiple dances, i'm very clear that we're "going for another one" instead of "let's keep going." The more you dance, the more attuned to red flags you become.
i have had very good results in a town where paying after dance(s) is the norm with asking the customer to lay the money down near both of us (on the table, on an extra chair in vip, etc). When customers will not do that, i have found 'show me the money' does wonders in assuring i'll get paid at the end of my song or songs. the caveat is that my primary dancing experience was in small clubs (10-20 dancers a night). i don't know if such a tactic would be feasible in a larger, busier club where the money could be snatched away by someone walking by.