Re: Not supposed to keep in touch outside the club
It's really not nearly this complicated. Repeat numbers five times? Spell names so you can look them up in the phone book? They really still print phone books?
OK. I wish I could say I understand this insanely stupid restriction, but I don't. (Makes me love my home club all the more, where we actually all get together after shift and go out to dinner.) OK, so in the event of restrictive management or law, do the following in VIP or outside obvious visible range:
1. Hand the dancer your cell phone. She programs her number in. Done.
2. The dancer hands you her cell phone. You program the number in. Done.
3. You tell the dancer your number as she dials it on her cell phone. She calls you as you are sitting there. Leaves erotic message. You both smile. You now have her number.
4. You all go out to dinner. Exchange cell numbers over shots of vodka and dessert.
5. I once had a Vegas dancer track me down in Arizona. And I didn't even give her my number. God, that was impressive.
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Clubs that watch closely over the girls like mine do exist. The issue isn't so petty for some. The ultimate issue is that any contact informatin exchanged that could be used to arrange an outside meeting can be stretched into accusations of prostitution whether unfounded or not. It's been covered here before on SW. I work in a club where others tell on each other and where mgmt looks over my shoulder. I feel an overall attitude of surveillance at my club and so have to ultimately and completely cover my ass. The nonchalant cellphone # exchange wont work at clubs where mgmt is as "watchful" as mine and would be considered quite brazen, but I'm sure the suggestion might work for some in a less suffocating atmosphere. To each his/her own.
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I just tell them when Im working and when Im not. I also tell them what nights I have more time and when I don't.
If you care about stupid rules youre in the wrong job.
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Yeah. If you gotta follow rules, make sure you agree with them and they work for you. Else follow your own rules. Don't get exploited by some low-life, wannabe, pseudo 'boss.'
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Originally Posted by amylynnej
If you care about stupid rules youre in the wrong job.
Agreed. It's not like we work in a normal work environment. Some fights just aren't worth fighting. So you threaten the club with fancy legal work, they'll fire you. Now do you really have the money to pay for that fancy legal work? And if you do go through with a lawsuit or whatever it is that you decide to do and you win that club is just gonna make it so uncomfortable for you to work there that it won't be worth it. If you quit and go to another club chances are that club will have heard about your case and no one is going to hire a trouble maker. So basically you'd be forced to leave the city, if not the state. Is it really worth it? In this business it really is better to just "bend over and shut up" if you can't deal with a clubs rules just find another club. Like I said in my first post, it's only breaking the rules if you get caught!
ps - this post isn't directed at Colleen, it's directed at everyone who cries bloody murder over violation of rights in a fucked up industry
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Clubs that watch closely over the girls like mine do exist.... The ultimate issue is that any contact information exchanged that could be used to arrange an outside meeting can be stretched into accusations of prostitution whether unfounded or not....feel an overall attitude of surveillance at my club and so have to ultimately and completely cover my ass. The nonchalant cellphone # exchange wont work at clubs where mgmt is as "watchful" as mine and would be considered quite brazen....
You club managemens is manipulating ALL of you. They have brainwashed you all into doing their work.
HOWEVER, if the club mgt have gotten threatened explicitly for that contact info exchange by LE or city 'fathers' then you all are being manipulated by your local govmt.
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Originally Posted by paintgoddess
We have to turn over business cards and phone numbers to the managers, and I always do. That way they trust me. I never tell a guy i'm not allowed to take his card. I take it knowing that i'm going to turn it over, though.
Sneaky-minded me, I'd discreetly ask for two cards. }:D
-Ev
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Sneaky-minded me, I'd discreetly ask for two cards. }:D
-Ev
Clever. So, Very.
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She so smartly goes to the 'essence' of the solution so quickly. I gotta meet up with Ev someday.
And that way the clubs can have their rules and pissed-off dancers too.
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I was given an interesting way around the "no exchange of phone numbers, business cars, etc" rule while travelling in West Virginia. I was away from home over one weekend and had spent 2 nights with the same girl in this one club, between trips to the LD area and the champagne room, I spent a couple grand. She suggested I write my number on a bill, and use it as a tip for her. Unfortunately, I had no pen.
This has worked for me since then, though. As long as you (the dancer) don't use the bill to pay for something, everything should be cool. Plus, this puts the dancer in control as to wether or not you want to make the outside contact. There are too many people out there who would be able to find out all of your information just from an email address or phone number.
I have always been upfront with any dancer who I gave my number to, letting her know that it was up to her if she wanted to call me, and that it wouldn't have an effect on how often I visited the club. I simply found her as an interesting person, and someone I would like to get to know better.
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For years, I worked in clubs where it was just expected you'd contact your high-end regulars. They were really classy clubs and management was aware that the more comfortable a gent is, the more easily his wallet opens. The more he likes a woman, the more he is willing to spend. Good for her, and good for the club. So, they had pay phones in the dressing rooms specificallyso girls could call their regulars without giving out personal info. I had a flippin' card index in my locker, complete with notes on prior conversations, likes and dislikes, etc. I never, ever gave out my info, but regulars gave me their's consistently (and if he was a big spender, I flat out asked). Calling them just to say hello, or when it was slow to tell them how much I'd like to see them was integral to the good amount of money most of us were making. One customer even got me a pager (which he paid for, all in his name with no tracks to me), so I could leave a message he could access saying where I was going to be and when. Or, he could leave me a message he was coming into town. He was worth working the extra day.
About a year ago, I started at a club that had the "no contact outside the club rule," and it floored me. It was detrimental to them as much as me--I couldn't call in regulars when it was slow, or encourage them to come in for a "special day" of pampering and spending. This was a club that took $$ from each dance, as well as a daily "rent." So, they were slitting their own throats. As suggested above, I got a stupidly-easy-to-remember hotmail account and started giving it out. I also used the bill trick--had them write their info on it to tip me. The management was pretty strict, so I only did this for custies that were very regular and good spenders; but, my business shot straight up again (it wasn't bad before I started doing this, but the difference was still clear). I was one of the top two earners in the club within a month.
While I am an attractive girl, almost all of that is due to good hustle; and, for me part of good hustle is personal contact with the client. Making them feel special, and not just like a walking wallet. I am a squeaky-clean dancer--no extras of any kind, no dinners out of the club, etc.--but letting my custy know he's special with a quick phone call/e-card on his birthday or to ask how a business trip went is HUGE for my $$. Most men, esp. regulars, come in to clubs to feel special, and when they're spending that kind of $$, I am willing to extend my business hours to contact them occasionally when I am not working (which makes contacting them on a slow day to come in and see you less awkward, btw). I look at it just like running my own business: it's advertising and customer service.
Be sneaky. It's probably worth it.
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Originally Posted by shwankie
It's probably worth it.
Especially if your clients have spouses who are self-absorbed. Probably a lot of high-roller wives have their own lives and money supply. I have to wonder why some of these gents are even still married (probably due to the real marriage penalty). I had a friend in that situation, but his playmate was a callgirl. His wife couldn't be bothered anymore and had her own tennis-centered life.
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I would just say screw it and do it anyways.