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I work in a club that doesn't have a lot of hustling. We usually sit by the guy for a few minutes and then ask if they would buy us a drink, but we usually sit by the guy for 15-0 minutes or more before asking for a dance. Some girls ask right away, and often get turned down. The customers in my club like it when you talk to them for a while and then somehow work the topic of a private dance into the conversation. The guys in this area don't like to be hustled.
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Come back when he's drunk! J/K
I have a hard time talking 2-3 songs too because some guys are just boring. Or, they prefer to chill out and unwind for 20 minutes before getting dances. I noticed that you really don't have to talk the whole time -- just be there and occasionally say something flirty. He'll smile for a moment and look at the TV a few seconds later. It doesn't mean he's uninterested. It could mean that he is unwinding and prefers not to talk. Most likely, he appreciates your company anyway. He'd probably appreciate a complimentary back rub.
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If a guy isn't very talkative even after you try your hardest to talk to him, just tell him that you are available for a private dance and get his response. If he isn't interested, then move on to someone else. Like Lizette said, sometimes guys don't want to get dances or talk, they just want to unwind and relax.
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If you are going to ask open-ended question, force them to give you expanded responses by quantifying them. For example, instead of asking, "What were the pubs like?", ask: "If you had to list three things you enjoyed the most about the pubs, what would they be?" This will force your customer to open-up more and give you more options to carry the conversation with.
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Originally Posted by colleen
Me: HOw do you say, "fuck off you boring idiot" in gallic?
As near as I can tell, Teigh trasna strambán umpaidh!
(It's Gaelic. Gallic refers to French, and Galician is a language in the Portuguese family. Best not to get all those confused.)
Most people like to talk about themselves. Some people don't want to talk. About all you can do is ask some pertinent questions, and pay attention to the answers, and then follow up.
" Me: The pubs, I see. What did you liek best about the pubs?
Him: THe beer."
You: I like beer too! What kind did you like over there?
Then get him talking about the Guinness or Harp or whatever. If he really doesn't want to talk, you can't waste your time too much, and I think you played it out pretty well with this joker.
But really, people do like to talk about themselves. Good conversationalists are ones who enjoy hearing what others have to say at least as much as what they themselves contribute. Since about 90% of the people engage in conversation just to say something, it's rare and appreciated when they're encouraged to do so by someone who's willing to listen.
P.S. I started that before DW has posted. Now that I see his post, it's a good conversational tool.
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I forgot to add that you should go for the close after 2-3 songs after back rubs or sitting in silence. But you already knew that. :)
Guys like talking about themselves. You just have to find the topic on which they are dying to speak volumes. Usually, about work. Most people feel underappreciated no matter what they do for a living. Praise them. The caveat is that most people might believe that when you are asking about what they do, you are sizing them up. So it's a little tricky to get around that.
Just find something that they like talking about, listen to them for 2-3 songs, and go for the close. Then again, some guys don't feel like talking no matter what.
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Colleen, remember the script you learned in the Dancer Wealth seminar? Of course you have to vary it somewhat with each guy.
Reminds me of working in Houston. Girls sit and sit with guys. Guys are not used to a "fast" approach.
The momentum of the club has a lot to do with the pace of the sale. If everyone sits and no one hustles, then if you try to hustle you are out of your element and the guys aren't used to it.
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1. What do you think of talking about being in that club by itself? "Are you regular"? What do you like of here? (I use to be once or twice in each club)
2. How long do you consider the maximum of staying with a costumer if he is not buying a dance, nor even invinting you a drink? How do you say bye?
3. What do you think of walking close to the clients and just tickle them behind their ears, and smile? Sorry, in Mexico it is perfectly possible (not needed to ask permission... but also customers think they are allowed to touch you so much, hehehe).
Huges to all,
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If you don't like to have long conversations don't do it. Surely you don't feel obliged to do pole tricks or "extras' or whatever just because the others do?
I'm hopless with long conversations, and have the memory of a goldfish. can't remember the name of a single regular- I give them my own special name instead. I use lots of eye contact and smiles. As i walk about the room i often lightly touch customers on the shoulder or around the waist just as you would do in a really crowded room. I find this gives a 'connection' with the customers before I even approach.
I don't like to talk a lot. I find I get the "I like you too much now to get a dance" line if I do. I have a short chat, ask for a dance, if it's a no I chat a little longer and tell them I have to go, and walk straight to another customer as if they were waiting for me.Or disappear from the floor for a little (if they can't see you they assume you are busy in the private room) I also follow men walking towards the private room (so a casual observer thinks you are taking them for a dance), same with coming from the direction of the private room.This gives the impression you are busy (and therefore good/popular)
I keep coming back to customers over and over until (hopefully) they are ready for that dance. If the guy is giving the mono syllable answer I find they usually they aren't interested in talking, and either want a dance with no bullshit, or want to be left alone for a bit. I ask them would they like a dance pretty quickly in this case. If it is a no. I will ask them would they like me to stay, or shall I let them settle in and see them later?
Being a smallish club with lots of regulars it works for me not being pushy and being respectful of the customers. Most of the people coming to my club will get a dance at some stage, sometimes it's the following week when they are cashed up!
Having something that stands out helps them remember you too - some girls wear the same outfit, distinctive boots, distinctive hair, a gimmick. I carry a small blanket.
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Tina gave you a good suggestion. Do not let the DW seminar go to waste... it will definately be able to help you out in this situation.
If it is pretty obvious to you that the guy doesn't really want to chat.. then don't.. plain and simple.. ask him if he'd rather you just hang out with him for a little bit.. see if he offers you a drink (non-alcholic of course)... then ask for a dance (or even make a statement (not asking) "Let's go for a dance, right now."). Not every guy wants a conversation in a strip club.
Not in any order, here are some questions I use to make conversation:
Hey, my name is Vanessa. You're having a great time tonight, aren't you?
Tell me what brings you into my club tonight?
Have you been in here before ?
You're not from here, neither am I! I'm from the Gold Coast, have you been there before?
Tell me about your Gold Coast experience (holiday or whatever)?
You're not from here. Wow. Tell me what brings you to (insert city)?
If they ask me a question like "do I have any children?" (why they ask that I have no idea however I use it)... I will reply... "Yes, I do. Two of them. One of them is fat, black, furry and has bad breath. He loves his roo meat" This may puzzle them a bit which is good as it means I have their attention at the very least. I will then continue.. "Oh you meant human children. I only have the furry cat kind. Tell me do you have any pets ?"
Or another response if I feel mischevious to that question is "Yes, I do. I have two pussy cats. I love my pussy (break for a couple of seconds) cat" ;)
I guess it is relatively easy for me as I do prefer the slower hustle which involves conversation. Whilst I love to talk (sometimes the patron wants you to do all the talking) I can also lead conversations well enough as well. Just listen and use the information that they give you.
In the end, some guys may just not want to chat at all and prefer to just hang out for a little bit before you can ask/command a dance... or just not be ready at that moment so best to come back to when they've had a bit more to drink.
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Originally Posted by Tina
Colleen, remember the script you learned in the Dancer Wealth seminar? .
Uhhhh....no.:-[ Is there a quiz on it? :-\
Actaully, I bet it is in my home study course. I am halfway through with it (awesome stuff, BTW) and just getting ready to start the actual sales skills portion of the course.
Anyway, this is driving me batty. I do appreciate everybody's answers and help on this one. I am coming up on this porblem with almost every guy I meet in that club, and I am starting to feel like such a big, boring loser. I have gone from being a top earner in my dive bar to being the least earner many nights. I feel like a total newb, and it is REALLY messing with my confidence.
How much do you guys talk about yourselves? I have been trying to throw out a little bit of personal info to help get things rolling. Sometimes they bite, sometimes not. Current topics of convo are holiday shopping, weather (we are having an unusaually cold and snowy december here), I make a big Christmas Eve dinner for my family, cooking and food, and so on. Sometimes this opens up the dialog a little more.
For example, I tell them have been trying to get my christmas presents together since July, wehn I went on vacation. That gives them 2 things to fix on, shopping and travel. Then IF they ask, I can tell them about my vacation and then turn the topic to travel, or I can mention my 7 nieces and nephews and how much fun it is choosing gifts for them. Then I can ask if they are also buying for kids, and are they having any luck.
I am trying to hink along the lines of a conversation you would have at a bus stop, rather than an interrogation.
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I like to read the odd news section on Yahoo News, and fixate on a story or two. Then I will say something like "Did you hear about..."
This works if you are a good story teller, and can add your own exaggerations, to make it sound even more sensational then it is. Look into his eyes while talking about whatever it is you are telling, and occasionally glance at his lips. Don't fix your stare as this can be uncomfortable for some people. The glance at the lips is very flirtatious, and he will notice (if even at a sub concious level) that you are flirting with him.
Usually I can get my story out in 30-60 seconds. This has developed a rapport, and I will ask him something like "So what do you like to do for fun when you aren't checking out naked ladies?" This question will get him thinking fun and stripping at the same time and can lead up to the close of the sale.
I will frequently get the answer "I don't do anything fun, just work all the time."
I will answer with "We could go have some well deserved fun right now! Let's go do some lap dances!"
I might add something like "treat yourself" or "you work so hard you deserve it". I take myself out of the equation, and put the dance as a nice thing he is doing for himself. That way he isn't thinking "she just wants my money" or at least thinking about it less.
If he answers with a hobby or whatever, then listen to him talk about himself, and continue to flirt shamelessly. When he pauses push the conversation back to sex, and then go for the close.
This should fill up the time of maybe one or two songs. I know it takes longer to get to work, or move on, but if that is what the customers are used to and are put off by the faster hustle, then you have to go with what works at your location.
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The introduction, the probe of why he is in the club, where he is from, does he go to other clubs. Teling him this is a great club, isn't it? Letting him talk about himself and asking questions. Remember mirroring and matching Colleen? You're ready for a dance now, right? If he hesitates, so besides me, who else were you considering getting dances from?
Ring a bell?
Sometimes when we sit down with a guy and try to communicate, he is not into us, or doesn't want to be sold, so he acts disinterested. He is avoiding conversation because he does not want to get caught up in having to spend any money on drinks and dances. His money is funny.
Plus some of these hicky type guys can't carry on an intelligent conversation. I deal with em all the time. They don't know how or are uncomfortable talking with a woman. You might have to use a quick version of DW's techniques, hit him up with " You're ready for a dance now aren't you", if he pauses, use the "Besides me who else were you considering getting dances from" line, and if he still acts ignorant, say thank you, I'll check back with you later, and check back with him in 10-15 minutes or so if you haven't sold anyone else or he hasn't bought from anyone else.
Sometimes guys like this are gone before you can get back to them.LOL.
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Originally Posted by Tina
Sometimes when we sit down with a guy and try to communicate, he is not into us, or doesn't want to be sold, so he acts disinterested. He is avoiding conversation because he does not want to get caught up in having to spend any money on drinks and dances. His money is funny.
It's hard to tell if they are not interested or plain socially inept. If they are socially inept, well then ... they are going to buy from someone, somewhere, sometime.
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Originally Posted by Paris
I like to read the odd news section on Yahoo News, and fixate on a story or two. Then I will say something like "Did you hear about..."
Every man gets chatty about world news and politics. For real.
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Lizette, you haven't been to my old club.
I'll never miss the standard hustle there...
"Hi! Having fun?"
"Eh."
"Have you been here before?"
"No."
"Isn't it great?"
"No."
"Did you hear about (insert recent newsworthy event)?"
"No English!"
*sigh*
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I know, Colleen! Dammit, if the club sucks so much then why don't you just LEAVE?
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And, if they don't want to talk to dancers, go rent Showgirls and have a beer at home!
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I tried the news approach. I can't say it sold any more dances for me, but at least I did not sit there looking like a deaf mute the entire time. Progress, I s'pose! :)
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Maybe try talking to them about sports. That is if you are into any of them. If I can't find anything else to talk about, I will talk about sports. My husband watches a lot of sports and bets on it, so I know quite a bit. This always works for me, but sometimes they get really into and don't shut up.