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Help Please!!!!!
I know that there have been a lot of topics about this, but I just wanted to add another dimension to the conversation. I am a mixed girl and I work in a place where I am the only non-white dancer. Not to sound conceited, since I am the farthest thing from that, but I am clearly prettier than all of the other dancers, in looks and body type. However, I do not depend on my looks to earn money since it's well known that personality counts a lot more. My question is there are times when guys tell me I am the most beautiful one there, but choose to get a dance from the other girls. Why is this? Many times I am the "hit" but I make less. I give the best dances, but they pay me less than they do the other girls. I have never been one to blame anything on race, but I am a bit stumped. What can I do? How can I get more money effectively without turning guys off and being turned down? PLease help, any advice is appreciated, this is really stressing me out.
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Hmmm... I've heard in the club that "there's no such thing as too much" but maybe, just maybe the guys in the club are picking up the same vibe you give off here. Perhaps you should watch and maybe learn a thing or two from the "uglier" dancers. It's not always about looks. If your hustle is not working, switch it up - different outfits, approach whatever. Good luck.
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First of all, you should check out the thread below:
http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=37985
I cut/pasted one of my posts from there that is probably relevant to you. Perhaps if you stand out SO much more than the other dancers, you may be intimidating the customers. You may want to simplify your look a bit. Here is the post:
'm reminded of a very interesting lesson I learned several years ago. I was sitting in one of the big Vegas clubs with the owner of one of the nicer upscale clubs along with a friend of mine. We were sitting there talking and my friend asked the owner, "Hey, how come you've got a girl like THAT working in here" pointing to a girl who was probably a 4 or a 5. Not bad looking at all, just not like the rest of the women around her for sure. The answer was very interesting.
The owner said, "That girl probably makes more than every single '10' in this club." My friend was shocked when he heard that and asked how that could be. The answer from the owner was, "See that group of guys in the corner over there? They just got off their shift probably an hour ago from doing roofing or some other type of construction work. Those guys are way too intimidated to ever buy a dance, let along have a conversation comfortably with a '10'. They are way too far out of their element. Now that girl over there with a few extra pounds and the more girl-next-door look is more in their range, so they feel comfortable with her. As a result, she'll make a ton of money off those guys where all the '10's in here couldn't sell them one lap dance."
Something to think about.
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In the 11 years I have been dancing i have discovered these things to be true...............this is actually a common thing in strip clubs really...the case of the prettiest girl that doesn't make the most$$ there and the average girl is banking......why is this you ask????....It's BECAUSE, there's more to it than just being pretty!!... It's not ONLY about what you look like on the outside( your apperance)It is about so many other things too like for starters..........A very good attitute and a good outlook will take you a very long way in many different areas life,it takes PRACTICE and being positive and being happy,confidence, intellelect, using your brain and not just your body,passion,good people skills, dancing skills,striving to do your best, giving 100% and being able to communicate with different types of personalitys,being friendly, knowing what to say and what not to say and when to say it,you need good hustleing skills also...just so much more and to be succesful at it or anything a person needs to have a good outlook and keeping a positive attitude and loving the job you do and when things aren't going perfectly at that time...it's also about taking the good w/ the bad and learning to be optimistic and positive and not giving up,whenever things are not going the way you hoped them too..........it takes alot of discipline,hard work,focus and a desire to become sucessful.....in dancing and in no matter what job you do.
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I agree with dancer wealth. I've had managers tell me that same thing a few times and have personally experienced it to be true. Although I believe I have the potential to be an 8 or a 9 my weight keeps me stuck in the 6-7ish range depending on who you ask and what club I'm at. (I've lost 20 pounds but I've still got 20 more to go, I'm not a little girl) But despite that I still make good money and definately hold my own in the club. Guys love the girl next door factor. So yeah maybe do something to tone it down a little and be less intimidating?
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It's an unspoken rule that the prettiest girls are used to getting attention (and pretty much everything else they want) because of their natural beauty.
So in turn, they dont try as hard.
The girl with flaws is used to having to WORK for things and tries harder at getting what she wants out of life.
It could be because you THINK you are the prettiest girl there, but in all actuality, men like all different types of women. Maybe the customers are getting that vibe from you. Maybe they are intimidated also. (Dancerwealth makes a good point about the slightly overweight girl being more attractive because of her approachable nature)
The girl who works harder to win the favor of a customer is going to get the dance.
You may be the most naturally pretty girl in your club, but the girl who goes out of her way to spend time/money on her outfits/makeup/hair/tanning is going to see a greater profit from the large amounts of energy she puts into her work.
I would say it has NOTHING to do with the color of your skin, but more with your attitude. There are two or three girls in my club who are black and they make a FUCKLOAD of money because they have great personalities, as well as a good hustle technique.
If anything, I would ACCENTUATE your "exoticness" by playing the part the customer subconsciously wants you to play. Dance to R&B, hip-hop and wear things that show off your (proabably) wonderful curves. Men come in there for a fantasy, and you might just want to play off that stereotype to an extent.
REMEMBER: this does not serve to exploit YOU, but in reality, you are exploiting THEIR image of what you are supposed to be.
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I agree w/the above posts. In 5 - 6 years of stripping, I noticed that the dancers who were banking the most were usually the least attractive ones the club. They don't rely on "pretty" and compensate for their lack of looks in every other area (personality, sales style, confidence, posture, mannerisms, etc.) My advice... pretend you're ugly and that you have to do the same... study these women as much as you can. Also, take a Dancer Wealth course. I cannot tell you just how much that course increased my sales... there really aren't words for how much good it will do you. http://www.dancerwealth.com
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I totally agree with what the other girls are saying in response to your post, and want to add another little piece, too. I know that when I've consistently made less than the other girls in my club, which has happened a bit, I tend to lose my confidence and feel less sexy. I FEEL like I'm going to make less money, and begin to expect that's just the way it is for this or that reason, and then I make less money. Eventually, some nice guy ends up buying lots of dances and saying nice things to me, and I realize how I've been shooting myself in the foot for weeks.
Last night I went to work after many $40 nights in a row, but I ended up doing great, and that reminded me how easy it is to subconsciously do yourself in. Why me, why so little, how come those other girls, etc., is the quickest way to end up with a bad night.
Good luck!
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I also agree with DW. However i also think you need to UP your hustle, be very friendly (nice, talk)!!!! And check out the other dancers, how they behave, dress and hustle.
I learned by watching top earners in the club! It did work for me.
Pamela
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I agree that the prettiest girls are definitely more intimidating... the best way to compensate for this is to wear a big smile and come across as outgoing and lighthearted. I often approach custies with a silly joke or comment to get them laughing and comfortable around me. Also, the super pretty girls who do not walk around smiling are usually assumed to be "bitches."
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I had a customer (somewhat of a regular) tell me, "Wow I just love your attitude tonight." He said that I appeared as if I'm working like I don't need the money... Like I already have my bills paid for and I'm not "pressed" to make a lot of money. Weird thing is, he was absolutely right and I guess it really showed on me.
Take home message from that was- Try to look outgoing, relaxed, and looking like you *aren't* trying so hard. I must have look really relaxed to that custy, laughing, SMILING, kickin' back and having a beer. It was all about having a good time with no pressure and not trying so hard to "hustle." I ended up having one of the biggest nights of my life that night.