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How to Hustle the Knight in Shining Armor?
You know the type. They want to take you away from it all. They think you're way too nice/smart/great to be a dancer. You don't have to do this for a living. You're not like these other girls. Etc.
Elizabeth Eeves calls them "rescue men" in her book Bare. She also says this is their fantasy, just like any other strip club fantasy -- the idea that they could be your knight in shining armor. So, if it's their fantasy, how do I make the best money off of it?
I had a bunch of guys come in last night, pot growers from Humboldt county. They loved me and threw twenties to me on stage. It was great, but when I went home I just knew I could have done even better with them if I was smarter.... one of them showed me a roll of 100s, at least 5Gs. He was willing to spend all of it, but somehow I would have needed to let him "rescue" me.
How the hell do I do it? I get guys like this all the time, and not to sound callous but you know how it is, I know there's money to be made.
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If they actually have money... make it about them. The rescue fantasy dude wants to know that he is different from all your other customers, that he makes you see yourself differently, etc. Tell him how you have to make money tonight because of your sick dog/child/parent or overdue rent/electric/etc. Then be like, "you really think I'm smart? you think I could do something else? OMG that's so sweet... " etc until the money runs out. But honestly these guys usually aren't worth the time and effort.
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You could kiss them in the last 5 minutes of V.I.P. ;) See thread regarding said topic.
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That guy is way too smart to be a pot grower. He doesn't have to do that for a living. He's not like those other pot growers... lol sorry I know it is O/T but I just couldn't resist.
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Originally Posted by Lena
If they actually have money... make it about them. The rescue fantasy dude wants to know that he is different from all your other customers, that he makes you see yourself differently, etc. Tell him how you have to make money tonight because of your sick dog/child/parent or overdue rent/electric/etc. Then be like, "you really think I'm smart? you think I could do something else? OMG that's so sweet... " etc until the money runs out. But honestly these guys usually aren't worth the time and effort.
What she said. Alot of them are just using that line to open the door for outside the club negotiations ;) They like to flash the money and get you all hot and bothered for it, when they really DON'T have any intention of spending it, or at least not a significant amount of it. I can't be bothered with them.
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What Lena and Bridgette said! Those who flash impressive billfolds have no intention of spending money - they want you to waste your time hanging around their tables in the hopes that they'll spend, and then they'll leave.
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He wants you to be his club connection.
If that takes off, he has other spices for sale too. You could make a mint. Or at least work in one, stamping out license plates, same technology, just flatter.
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And sometimes that money they're flashing isn't even theirs. It may be the nightly deposit from work and he's just using it to get a lil attention before dropping it in his boss' bank account. In the case of drug guys, they're probably flashing their delivery money on the way to handing it over to their boss.
I once had a jerkoff sitting at my stage, and every time I came close (other guys next to him were tipping) he would pull out a puny stack of 20s and 50s and fan them all out like it was some hot shit. I ignored him and went to the guys putting money on my rail. That same guy later tried to get my attention again by flashing his weakass lil stack, and I just stuck my tongue out at him as I went to VIP with a guy busting out his AMEX card ;D
The guys who REALLY have money to spend don't make a big production of it and especially don't flash cash all over. It's always the ones who DON'T have it to spend who like to show off.
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Originally Posted by AutumnLeaves
You know the type. They want to take you away from it all. They think you're way too nice/smart/great to be a dancer. You don't have to do this for a living. You're not like these other girls. Etc.
Elizabeth Eeves calls them "rescue men" in her book Bare. She also says this is their fantasy, just like any other strip club fantasy -- the idea that they could be your knight in shining armor. So, if it's their fantasy, how do I make the best money off of it?
I had a bunch of guys come in last night, pot growers from Humboldt county. They loved me and threw twenties to me on stage. It was great, but when I went home I just knew I could have done even better with them if I was smarter.... one of them showed me a roll of 100s, at least 5Gs. He was willing to spend all of it, but somehow I would have needed to let him "rescue" me.
How the hell do I do it? I get guys like this all the time, and not to sound callous but you know how it is, I know there's money to be made.
Where do the pot growers live? I'm sure the authorities would LOVE that info! ;D
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Take those $20's, smile, be nice, and make your lap $$ elsewhere. Once u are off the stage they are time wasters - trying to hustle YOU!
Favorite line from a "White Knight": "You are way too beautiful to be doing this!"
WTF?! So you want to see ugly dancers?
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Hmm... thanks.... I guess I should have mentioned, I DID get quite a few dances and a VIP from these guys, they really were spending, but I had the feeling that if I played the game better I might have made twice the money. Like, not a fifteen minute VIP but an hour, that kind of thing.
And it's not just THESE guys. I'm a very articulate girl, and I often get the "nice custy" routine, where the guy wonders what on earth a girl like me is doing in a place like this. I tell them I'm going to school, etc. I usually can get dances from these guys, but I have a niggling feeling that I could be getting VIP + tip. Just wondered if anyone had any selling pointers.
By the way, Peaches, I get that too... it's the lamest thing ever.
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Well maybe you're being too articulate, try a bit of the silly "ooh I love my job, I'm so horny all the time I can't wait to get to work at night!" This way they're turned on but lose the idea that you need to be rescued from stripping. Just an idea, I personally just take what they give and move on to the next. Good luck!
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when you see a guy has money to spend, start mentioning something like an expensive bag you saw that day and are dying to have, over and over through the night and hopelfully he'll give you a great tip to buy it, it's worked for me many times.
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Originally Posted by AutumnLeaves
And it's not just THESE guys. I'm a very articulate girl, and I often get the "nice custy" routine, where the guy wonders what on earth a girl like me is doing in a place like this. I tell them I'm going to school, etc. I usually can get dances from these guys, but I have a niggling feeling that I could be getting VIP + tip. Just wondered if anyone had any selling pointers.
Well if they want to save you they don't want you to be a smart girl who's going to school. They want you to be slightly fucked up and in need of saving. That way they can feel big and important convincing you to go back to school. ::)
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Show your brains less. Talk about how much fun you have at work. If you tell them you're in school, make sure to tell them how you enjoy dancing so much more, and you're thinking of quitting school to dance full time. I wouldn't play the so-horny-can't-wait-to-get-to-work game, but be a little more fun and silly, rather than smart and serious. Play dumb like a fox ;) Most guys like a woman just a little bit dumber than them so they can feed their weak egos ::)
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Originally Posted by Bridgette
Most guys like a woman just a little bit dumber than them so they can feed their weak egos
NO. that's becaue most guys are dumb when they are in strip clubs, or with any attractive women. Most feel better with strictly-average-looking women. Look at the wives you see everywhere. I s'pose you were just being catty with that comment.
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No I was not. That comment came from years of watching guys get turned on more when I dumb myself down just a bit. They don't seem to like their strippers at least, to be too smart ::)
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Yeah, but it's not "weak egos." They themselves get dumb in clubs when they think they can out-smart a stripper at her own game. Now that is really dumb. That's why they want a woman who seems less "smart," which, at that point, must be really dumb.
(Not that it matters to anyone here at all but....for myself I have always appreciated women who are smart and articulate, in a club or out, and further, they know it without my saying anything about it. In my fantasies it is so much easier to have a relationship with them. Finally I find dumb men really boring to talk with also. )
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Originally Posted by threlayer
He wants you to be his club connection.
If that takes off, he has other spices for sale too. You could make a mint. Or at least work in one, stamping out license plates, same technology, just flatter.
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;D ;D ;D ;D That was fucking hilarious hahahaha you just made my night
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Originally Posted by threlayer
Yeah, but it's not "weak egos." They themselves get dumb in clubs when they think they can out-smart a stripper at her own game. Now that is really dumb. That's why they want a woman who seems less "smart," which, at that point, must be really dumb.
(Not that it matters to anyone here at all but....for myself I have always appreciated women who are smart and articulate, in a club or out, and further, they know it without my saying anything about it. In my fantasies it is so much easier to have a relationship with them. Finally I find dumb men really boring to talk with also. )
First of all, note that I did not say ALL custies like to feed their weak egos by looking for the 'dumb' stripper. Second, the guys who DO like to play that game - most certainly do have weak egos. If they didn't they wouldn't need a dumb chick to get turned on - or they wouldn't be turned OFF by smart women.
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Disagreements that persist show two things --
- we hold firmly to our perceptions and the other's arguments have not been able to change that; and
- we respect each other's judgments based on each other's experiences.
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i agree... most guys that flash money just do so for you to stick around and spend time with them for free... they guys that have intentions of spending money... are similar.. they want to "know" that your about them and noonelse.. but will give you money if you stART talking about "ohh i need to go try and make money"... guys are pretty easy to breakdown.. usually you just have to make them " important" for the few hours they are there
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All of the following is JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION.... I"d rather make money than play mind games with customers. And this kind of customer, to me, is there to play mind games, not spend money. Why do i assume this? If he were there to spend money on me, he'd be buyign dances and/or tipping me well for my time. He wouldn't be having so much fun playing the mind games if he didn't think he were already smarter than the poor dumb stripper. It's just B.S. Believe none of what you hear and half of what you see. Do you SEE him spending the amount of money on you that you'd like? Decent money for your time and aggravation? No? MOVE. There will always be money to be made elsewhere with less B.S.
It just probably bothers the OP that she SAW the money, got hungry for it, and is stuck on the fact that there was a POSSIBILITY she could have walked away with much much more. She got her head f'ed with. We approach and walk away from money all night and we'll never know if we could have squeezed more money out of said particular guy or not. Sometimes we could have done more, and sometimes we make more than we might have from an individual because we said the right thing. There's never an exact science.
You can choose to play the should've would've could've game with your hustle til the sun comes up the next day, but I think that's a negative thought process. When the night is over, it is what it is. It already played out how it was going to. You made your money. THe club closed. THat night is done. Next night.
I just look at it as play-or-be-played. Sometimes the money in this business can play you. I think the ultimate mind game I play as a dancer is inside my own head with myself. When we loose the game, we sit too long with a customer because we're desperate or think there's one more $20 coming our way (meanwhile forgoing other sales), we sit in the dressing room too long because we've talked ourselves out of attempting sales in spite of the nature of the crowd etc etc etc... the list goes on.
^^^^^^just my two cents. just my way of looking at it. for whatever it's worth.
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How smart do you really need to be here?
Heck, half your work is already done.
There is really no hustling here, he is ready to buy,
you are ready to sell, within a few minutes, he is ready
to eat out of your hands.
However, it is also wise not be too pushy, or get too greedy.
Take it nice and easy, and step the tempo as the
"business transactions" take place.
Keep talking, keep flirting, make nice cute talk,
play along long and slow.
Basically, it is like taking candy from a baby.
Not bad here, because, he wants to be the baby.
No, not bad at all.
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I get a lot of those guys too. I tried the ditzy bimbo act, and I just can't make it work. I'm intelligent and articulate, and it shows. When I get these guys telling me I could be doing something else and I don't HAVE to be stripping, I just give them my biggest smile and say, "I know! That's why I have the freedom to really enjoy it here!" Just get the point across that you are dancing because you LIKE it and you WANT to be. Then they don't feel bad about buying dances from you.