How to get men up in the vip room? when you can only do air dancing? When you are in there what are some things you can do to make it differant from regular dances?
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How to get men up in the vip room? when you can only do air dancing? When you are in there what are some things you can do to make it differant from regular dances?
I don't have any advice for getting them in the vip. I always do lots of dances but ; I don't know what makes them decide to go. Maybe it is because I act like I don't care if I sell any.
But I have advice to keep them there. Make it intimant and personal. Look into their eyes. touch their face , hold their hands. Lean in close to their face as if to kiss them and pull away.
Change from being close and pulled away; but always ending the dance very close. Have fun or at least pretend to.
What do you think about talking to them in an sexual manner. Or making noise, i am not to have contact with them!
I do air danecs in a club where the "VIP" booth is an open nicer area with a full view of the club and a white table cloth. Big whoop! lol I only make 5 more a dance. Not worth it to me.
Ask yourself is it financially worth it to you? Is it beneficial to his needs? (ie quiet, intimate, better place to get to know you yadda yadda).
i always say "lets go back in the vip, i can give u a much better dance back there", it usually works for me the majority of the time.. it is true though, u can give a hell of a better dance in vip, without any extras that is... its just more intimate and private..
When you're in there and you only do air dances, make lots of eye contact. This is a way you can show you are giving him lots of personal attention without the physical contact. It makes it much more personal.
How to get them back there...
After hes already said 'yes' to a dance I say -
"Dances over here (pointing at couches out in open) are $20... BUT if you want a bit more privacy we can go into the back (point to back) its much more quiet and intimate. THOSE dances are ONLY $40" All the while making eye contact and flirting like hell... once were walking TO the VIP room I say - "I also offer 3/$100 which is loads of fun!" or some other dumb line like that - flirt flirt flirt - most take the 3/$100... you didnt promise things you wont do... you didnt say youd rub all over him, you didnt have to talk like a porn star to him... just flirt... a LOT.
Good luck hunny!
Just a suggestion Audrey is to eliminate the word "but" from your sentence and replace it with the word "and". "But" is one of the worst used words in the English language. By saying what you said, it actually in subconsciously interpreted as:
"Dances over here are $20 which are NOT $20."
The word "but" negates everything that comes before it. It's an extremely difficult thing for many people to fix because it's so ingrained in our language, and yet it's extremly poor phrasiology. Once you can master this, you actually will start to see a very subtle difference in your sales performance and even though it's a subtle tweak, it's a very effective one. Using "but" propery can be a very effective tool though. Let me break it down in a simple example:
"It's a very nice outside but I wish it weren't so cloudy" literally means, "I DON'T think it's a nice day outside". The "but" in there negated everything that came before it, so when you say things like this, subconsciously, you interpret things the way it was not intended as spoken. So, replace "but" with "and" and you see, "It's very nice outside AND I wish it weren't so cloudy" means "I DO think it's a nice day outside." See the difference?
Now, in sales, this can be a very powerful tool. Start using "but" when you want something to intentionally fail and "and" when you want it to succeed. Check this out:
"We can go over here and I can dance for you for $20. But, if you'd like to have more fun, a more intimate dance without any other guys watching us etc, we can go over to the VIP room for and I know we'll have a much better time."
The difference is subtle and what I changed was qualifying the "but" on the price, and switched it to qualifying the action of going to the couch. This way you are not causing confusion on the price, you are causing a subconscious inaction of going to the couch for a $20.00 dance. While it's a subtle change, the results are actually quite dramatic. Another alternative is like this:
"Well, $20.00 are available over here [pointing to the couches] and yet the real fun is inside the VIP room where the dances are more intimate......."
I really need to get my ass to your next seminar - that "home study course" is kinda scaring me... :-\
I need to get to that seminar Audrey maybe we can go half and go togethier
I have a hard time getting them into VIP. Ours is sold in half hour increments at $150, and table dances outside the room are $20. There's nothing in between :-[. I honestly dont know how the girls at my club do it. It's no contact. (oh... and we get to keep 100 of that.)
One girl told me she set it up like this.
something like, Hey, how about we go in there. Have you ever been in a VIP room with a dancer? Let's go.
customer: what do i get in there for my money?
dancer: it depends on the dancer
customer: well who do i know what girl to go with?
dancer: well i'm sitting right here aren't i?
or
well, you already have a dancer with you, right? let's go.
I don't like that approach because while it doesn't promise anything, it implies it. I've been molested in VIP rooms before. (at least they attempted and I spent much of my time fending off hands, tongues, lips, etc.) Not how i want to make my money, although it's great money. I dont want the guy assuming that he can bend the rules because I implied that I might bend them in order to make the sale.
I lucked out the other nght. SOme guy asked me to take his buddy into a VIP room for his christmas present that he promised him. I say OK. easy. It's good. I"m happy to have the $100 in my garter. He was nice.
I come out of the room beaming and keep hustling. I meet a guy that's never been to the club. Looked scruffy. Quite intoxicated. I mention that I just got back from entertaining a guy in the VIP and that it was so much fun. he looks at me like, OH? So I ask him, so would you like me to tell you how the dances and everything work here since this is your first time? I give him a rundown from stage tipping, to table dances, up to VIP, and tell him that VIP is the most fun he'd have in the club. (the ONLY reason i mentioned them in this order is because he already expressed interest in VIP and i had him baited and waiting to hear how it worked. otherwise i mention the services offered from the top down.) He says really, was it that much fun? He asks how much it is again and says lets do it. I didnt think he could afford it. Probably that last guy in the club that i would have hustled for VIP, but he hit up the ATM. And to my surprise, he got the money and in spite of his appearance was an utter gentleman. An unlikely sale.
TWO VIPS IN an hour and fifteen minutes. I used the first to sell the second.
Now if I can just carefully lie and use that approach again.... wouldnt work in a situation where i'm bouncing from guy to guy cause they could see me... nor would it work if i've just been on stage. But damn.... I"m gonna try that again. Seems to squeeze money out of the driest sponge.
Any new tips? Chime in!! I need help with VIPS still!!
the dances in my club are $250 an half of a hour, and $500.00 an hour. The regular dances are $20.00 The girls at my club, always get guys to go in the vip room. I amost got in the room but another chick stole the customy from me, When I went to ask about the price information and how to go about it she snagg him up quick
Sad I know! I need help on my hustle.
Leila, it is your homework to know the pricing and the rules, even in a new club, before you talk to any customer. You are in sales and service.
Sometimes it is the dance pricing/rules situation that prevents earning much money from VIPs. Who wants to gamble $250 on an unknown when so many air dances are worth about so much air? I would not go to clubs in some states or localities.
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Originally Posted by paintgoddess
I work in a peepshow with private shows. If for ANY reason Im out of the show area I always say "Wont be a moment, Ive just come out of a private dance, sorry to keep you waiting" (regardless of whether I HAVE been in a PD)
They usually then ask about the PDs and i hustle for a second.
My best effort is 6 in a row, the counter guy was selling me as "sorry the peeps are closed shes been in constant private shows since she arrived" which makes them dead keen to have a PD.
It comes down to acting like youre always busy I guess
Tell the truth but make it sound appealing like pull him close and say "Why don't we continue this in a much more private and intimate setting. We can forget about all these people and be one-on-one..just you and me." while looking him in the eyes and being very sexy. Explain the difference between the two dances is just that...a more private setting so you can both feel more comfortable.
As a guy, I agree that eye contact is the most important thing. I think you have to wait a few dances to ensure they are truly interested, and then offer the intamacy that the VIP room has. It works on me. Too often.
Oh, yeah, this is another one of those situations.
I have worked these types of clubs, and have only gotten
guys into champagne room only once.
Why only once? Because they realize that I am not giving
anything away myself once we get inside.
I allow a little touching, but that is as far as it is going.
I will give you a lot more nastier dancing than I would do
normally on the outside and this is the promise that usually
pulls them in.
The main trick here is getting the guys inhibitions down,
and once he has had some drinks, his barriers go way down.
But before even doing this, you have to make certain that
your target can afford the champagne room rent.
You can tell this, after talking to him, if he is really there
just to pass the time, or really intending on heavy action.
If he is looking for heavy action, then you can reel him in.
It is really all a matter of touch and go.
And feeling out the customer.
i really like the idea of saying dances are $20, and i also offer 3/$100...i'll have to try that one out....thanks audreyleigh! ;)
I do good selling VIPs at my club which can be tricky to do as I work in an extras club and I don't do extras. Further more the extras take place exclusively in the VIP. 15 mins in a private both is $135 and we keep $100. So I sell it like this: "Your best option is to come for a VIP. It's full nude with contact and friction. It's 15 mins so it's a lot longer than a regular lap dance and a lot more intense than a regular lap dance. It's your best bet if you want to have a REALLY good time..." at which point I leave a pause to gage their interest. Notice I don't specify how much contact, friction, or why it's more intense. That way I don't have to commit to anything I'm not going to do. If they ask about any of those things or ask me to be specific I say "I'm better at showing than telling" and if they continue to be persistent about details I say "If you have any specific questions please ask." The approach seems to work really well and 9 out of 10 times if the guy has the money I get the VIP.
I have answered this question before,but here it goes again. When they ask stuff like what goes on back there or what do i get blah blah blah..I always do the "lock and key " thing to my lips,and smile. 98% of time it works like a charm. Although the club(LV) is a high tourist quick turn over people club. So it's really just getting them to go back there for the set price.So your dances can be lame,you already got the $,and you most likely wont see that guy again.
I like girls who talk about sex and their bodies. do things like look at their crotch and ask if the recent Brazillian got all the hair...stuff like that. They are offering ME nothing sexual pers se and (thanks DancerWealth for the "but/and" technique) it sets the stage for my brain to warp into the fantasy of the location. Also smelling really sweet and letting me smell their neck to arouse the olfactories or placing my hand on their freshly shaved legs and asking me if they missed a spot....love all those techniques. Does it get me wanting to spend? More than any drug or alcohol ever could.
Well, I assuredly know nothing about selling a dance in the VIP room. But on the other hand, it's a classic case of upsell -- i.e. getting more money from the customer at the point of sale. Salespeople in all areas of commerce use upsell
techniques, and much advice has been published (online and in books) or presented in seminars.
The basic idea is that you get the customer to agree to buy the lower-priced product, and then -- right at the point of sale -- you suggest the higher-priced product. What you DON'T want is for the customer to feel that you are merely a money grubber. What you DO want is for the customer to feel that you are going out of your way in being thoughtful about the customer -- i.e. thinking about what might be best for them (i.e. the higher priced product with features x, y, z!).
Another useful technique in general (not specific to this case) is to imply that the higher-priced product is much better obtained NOW rather than later -- e.g. no point in buying the lower priced product now if you're going to want the higher priced one later anyway (as you surely will, etc.), or no assurance that the higher-priced product will be available later (since you or room may well be busy), etc.
A key to the upsell is that the customer has already made the decision to buy, and already accepted that he will part with some money. So you're over a major hurdle already.
I'm sure we've all been subjected to the upsell in one way or another (in some field).
Of course, all this has nothing specifically to do with selling VIP room (which I can't help with specifically) but with selling in general.
Well, I know it's not much but that's my 2 cents worth.
Aside from DancerWealth, any response from customers should be taken with a grain of salt.
Ask the ladies who spend all evening in VIP how they get and keep their high roller customers.
Personally I feel that VIP is usually a waste of my time if the club is busy. If you earn $20 a dance on the floor, you could do 10 dances in a 30 minute time frame. You have earned double of what you would have made in VIP for the same 30 minutes. Increase your VIP rates so that it is at least equeal, if not greater than your earnings on the floor would have been for the same ten songs.
you try to make it fun for him...be fun,tease him, be flirty and sexy and sensual...maybe talk to him alittle bit or tell him something funny so he will laugh.Act sexy and lots of sexy eye contact.You could suck on a lollipop or a straw or ice ..nothing too voulger though...ha haaa....... just in alittle teasing manner.Lean in close and tease him.
At my club we get out of stage rotations for selling VIP's, champagne, anything expensive pretty much. A stage rotation is 5 entire songs, so that is about half an hour they don't get to have me there. I tell them how special they are and how I hate to leave them to dance for "all those other .. guys" because "they make me feel so special and safe", and how much I wished that we could just "go somewhere private and keep getting to know each other better". Sure they are there for a romantic experience, but to most middle aged men, a hot cuddling girl who cares about their hobbies and favorite memories is better than sex. Tell a man he makes you feel safe and he will protect you from everyone else, including that mean old stage rotation.
:)