Does music volume affect your sales?
Good Morning!
My question asks the ladies opinion on whether there is a "point of diminishing returns" on music volume in your clubs and how you feel it affects your sales. Is there a point at which the music is so loud that you feel your sales have been affected negatively? I understand that it is supposed to be a party in there and that is one of the attractions of the whole SC experience, and loud music is to be considered part of that, however it seems that if it is impossible to communicate without yelling at each other, then that takes away some of the pleasure in going, let alone working there. If in fact there is a problem here, at some point management needs to be made aware what the negative impact is on the ladies abilty to sell
Sometimes it is so loud in the clubs, I can't achieve what I go there for in the first place, that is to carry on a conversation with interesting and sexy ladies. Don't get me wrong, I am just as interested in the "non-verbal communication" }:D , but I am also wanting to talk to people I know there, and to well............ SOCIALIZE fercryinoutloud......... which sometimes involves actually talking and getting a verbal response!! ::)
I have been going to see loud music performance since I was a teenager, so I can appreciate a good ear-blast, and in fact rather enjoy it, but I've taken to wearing ear protection in clubs just so my ears don't ring afterwards!
So I guess what I'm wondering about is, if the volume in the clubs you work in is cranked up there, because you all have asked for it to be like this, or is your management cranking it up thinking "louder is better" to the possible detriment of their ladies ability to sell?
Cheers,
801inPDX
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"I am having a hard time hearing you...let's go somewhere else more intimate"
;)
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^^^ Yup, and thats when you drop that VIP on em' ;)
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OK, so the idea is to then use the volume to drive the cattle into the VIP corral for "branding", then? Sssssssssssssssssss }:D
but what if there is no VIP space? or the VIP rules are so stupid, no-one goes there? or it's just as loud in there as it is in the rest of the club? (all situations I've experienced) Argggg!
:O
801in pdx
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Originally Posted by the801
but what if there is no VIP space? or the VIP rules are so stupid, no-one goes there?
Or what if you can't hear her when she says VIP, and you think she's saying "I gotta go pee".
:O :flirt:
Actual exchange I had with a girl in Austin a couple of years ago:
Her: Could I intrest you in a dance?
Me: Oh, yeah!
She walks off in a rather sullen mood thinking I had declined, (perhaps thinking I had said "no ma'am"?). I even tried to call her back as she walked away. The only explanation would be that she could not hear me due to the music volume.
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Originally Posted by Emily
"I am having a hard time hearing you...let's go somewhere else more intimate"
Well yes, but what if he can't hear you right back... ;)
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and wwhat if he's deaf and she's a mute....what's with all the hypotheticals?
This has never been an issue. You can always talk into someone's ear.
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Originally Posted by Emily
"I am having a hard time hearing you...let's go somewhere else more intimate"
;)
"What?? What?? You dont have any more peppermint?? what???"
:D
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Yep! I understand, The801, exactly where you're coming from. I have started wearing earplugs on weekends because I can understand the person I'm talking to much better this way.
As a side note, there are no VIP room shows in Portland. Also many PDX dj's think that it is their show and the dancers are there just for ambiance.
How can you get the clubs to listen?? With your $$$. I dance at Star's in Salem and Bend, and for the most part the volume is set at a reasonable level, except for on the late shift on Friday and Saturday nights. If you wish for lower volume shows try any of the clubs in Portland that have juke boxes, or the smaller neighborhood type places: Nicoli St Clubhouse, Jody's, Pop-a-top, Dancin' Bare, Wild Cats, Club 205, Roosters, Dino's Inn...Just to name a few.
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It's the bar effect, the later the hour the louder the music. (I have seen some turning it up gradually thru the night.) But sometimes it's the dancers trying to numb themselves to everything but the stage-dancing experience. Probably more the DJ than the management or dancer. But complaining to management will do more to correct it then complaining to the DJ. Also your one complaint likely won't do it; it takes many others or the management themselves getting annoyed.
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I hope I'm not outing the801 to say that he came in to the Dolphin II last Saturday; it was just as the night shift DJ was coming on, and the volume shot up and the strobe lights came on. We did have to talk into each other's ears! It's significantly quieter during the day there, and it is quieter back in the VIP, but while the volume goes up at 6pm, the VIP doesn't open until 7pm.
Somehow we were able to communicate, though.
Doc, I have done the same thing, walked away from a guy because I thought he said no to a dance, only to have him look puzzled then chase me down. I thought he said "Oh, no," when he said, "Let's go!"
edit: the "VIP" at the DII is really just a separate couch dance area; not an actual hourly VIP setup, so what Paris says stands true.
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Back in the old days (when I was still a dj, so like 2yrs ago or so) I saw the volume affect sales in a negative way quite often. Since dancer money or lack of it also affects my money or lack of it, I had a tendency to lower the volume gradually thru the night so by 2am it was almost listenable. Of course if either the manager or I had a headache, you bet your sweet bippy that volume went down rather quickly!
Don't get wrong, I'm from the school of if it's too loud you're too old, but damn clubs seem to crank the bass to the point where it's breaking up and then the volume gets jacked as well, that makes shit WAY too loud to hear...of course you also have the djs who turn the volume up on the mic to talk as opposed to lowering the music slightly but I digress...
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Originally Posted by Blade
Don't get wrong, I'm from the school of if it's too loud you're too old, but damn clubs seem to crank the bass to the point where it's breaking up and then the volume gets jacked as well, that makes shit WAY too loud to hear...of course you also have the djs who turn the volume up on the mic to talk as opposed to lowering the music slightly but I digress...
I was standing under a speaker in a club about a year ago and I could hear that it was clearly being beaten into submission by the club DJ. I stopped the manager as he was walking by and gave him my card (I do, among other things, sound system installations) and told him that his DJ was destroying the clubs sound equipment. He told me the girls had been complaining al night bout the music being too loud and bought me a beer. He went to the DJ booth and, I'm assuming, told the guy to turn it DOWNNNNNNN. Too bad, I was hoping for the repair job....
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shit hit most of the ct clubs...you'll make bank!
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All,
Thanks Susan, for reminding me of an extremely fun time meeting you last week!
People! Short of moving to PDX or AUS, (Texas, that is) if you have a chance to meet this woman, do it! Oh yeah, and be sure to buy lots of dances from her!! take my word for it! 8)
..........but I digress......where was I......I agree with Blade, that it's not personally a matter of being able to tolerate the sound level (I'd just come from a "Disturbed" concert, for gosh sakes!), it's more what is a fun yet comfortable sound level that maximizes the PL's enjoyment, and thereby the ladies ability to sell, sell,sell!! I shouldn't have to "tolerate" it, I should be "enjoying" it !!! Live music is one thing, but hearing canned music up that loud can be just, well, irritating! And possibly counterproductive for the seller. I was just glad Susan could hear me well enough to understand me when I requested PD's from her! I could've really missed out. :)
If the sound system is over-driven to the point of distortion, I can't see that as a positive for anyone. And IMHO, certain types of music do not lend themselves to be blasted at high volume, either, like country and western, for instance. So it is the DJ's responsibility to look for opportunities to bring some dynamics into play in his "show", and this may be a concept that is foreign to most of them; and possibly management pushes them that way too, IDK. As Paris so simply put it I can choose to go elsewhere, but that's not where my friends are! :'( And PDX clubs do not generally have a separate VIP room setup, so that the Volume can "herd the livestock" in somewhere a bit more quiet and intimate.
Mostly, I was interested in getting feedback from the ladies if they felt the volume issue affected their ability to sell. I can't imagine that they would tolerate ANYTHING cutting into the sales efforts for very long, so maybe the music being that loud is of little consequence to them. Heck, I'll just put earplugs in and be fine with it as long as Susan let's me come and see her every once in a while! }:D
Best,
801inPDX
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I like my playback at home pretty loud. I play in music groups that are UNAMPLIFIED. So i know first hand what LOUD is (fortissimo). If some club is playing their CDs louder than we play when I'm in the middle of my group, it's TOO DAMN LOUD. I think most DJs don't know what musical loud it; they just want their stomach to jump around.
Self-absorbed DJ vs. Annoyed Customer
DJ *doodely-doodely-doo*
Cust. "Music is too loud. Can you fix it?"
DJ 'What did you say?'
Cust. "Music is too loud."
DJ 'Sorry, what did you say?'
Cust. "Hey, Music is too damn loud."
DJ 'Can you say that again?
Cust. "Turn the friggin music down; it's too loud."
DJ 'I still didn't hear; just a sec, the music is too loud.'
Cust. "Never mind, my ears are hurting and my throat is sore...."