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Thanks for honesty Song....you sound pretty together for 22. I love the club environment too. Never been to Little Rock though, from what Yekfah was saying the hood around that club sounds pretty bad. If you live around there maybe it isn't? Take it easy.
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Wow, I can't believe the dancers kept dancing on stage during this! My club has pretty strict rules about not abandoning the stage but once I saw guns I would have quickly gotten off and ran to the back or ducked behind the nearest chair.
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I don't live far away, but I don't live in that neighboorhood.. I stay in the "upper class" part of little rock, which ironically, and I live about 5 mins away, it's just that it's a straight shot from my place.
I grew up not to far from that neighboorhood however
Yeah, some dancers, I have one in mind in particular, not only was still on stage, was still dancing
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Their drug habits are not my business, nor am I the morale police and I don't try to be.
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Yes, drug dealers are in general, the downfall or one of them of society. However, with that said, it's just as unjust to have a prejudice of someone about their job as it is their skin color, religion, etc.
You can't complain about drug dealers coming in yet you are making 400-500 a night off them....
It is not a question of morals or even personal responsibility, which of course they just don't seem to have. It is a question of safety of innocent people. These gun-toting idiots come into a place with lots of people, and they don't have the self-control not to push and assault others.
Further, it is not my prejudice against "their skin color, religion, etc." or even the drug dealers as businessmen. It is in fact that druggies infect people with their poision, just so they can buy their pimpmobiles and try to trick gals into screwing them. Further, they are dangers to society in general because they have NO SOCIAL CONSCIOUSNESS. I am prejudiced against murderers, terrorists, kidnappers, and rapists; it is true. This has nothing to do with what they look like; I don't even remember that. (Where the heck did that come from?)
If drug dealers or gangbangers would not carry their all-too-obvious baggage around with them, they could be just like anyone else, so who's to know what they as customers are really are like? Who's to know what the customers at McDonalds or Walmart are like? But you get gangbangers bullying people around at those places and you'd see a fleet of squadcars 'evening out the score' for the innocent, unarmed public, women and children, etc. So why do are you tolerant of them doing the same at a strip club? Staying around for an hour...what was that for, to watch the gun battle in the parking lot? This is not a stupid TV show or video game.
Your demonstrated insensitivity to these big social issues of our time tells me it is probable that, having grown up in it, you've just closed yourself off from the real effects of it as a means of self-protection to your psyche. I know you have better sense and consciousness that you've shown here. I just want you to recognize that you do.
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I dont deal drugs but I do know Threlayer that dealing drugs and being a member of a gang are not the same thing. people like to get high, always have, always will. The biggest problem with people who use drugs are that they are illegal. I like to smoke weed and thanks to living in a progressive state like California I no longer have to buy my drug of choice from anyone but a legitimate shop. As far as the morality of selling drugs to strippers, they are GREAT customers. Why? They deal a drug also. Themselves! So the mutuality is perfect. Dancer gives you a dance for $100 and she gives me the money to get high so she can go ahead and give some more dances . Who is getting hurt?
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exactly... don't get me started on drugs in america. Cigs are one of the deadlist things known to man, yet Phillip Morris is one of the most respected compaines in the country.. should they not let that family in the place you work simply because he or they "push posion" upon "innocent people"
Some of the most influential, wealthiest families of today, made their money by selling liquor back in the early 1900's when it was illegal...
it's everyones right.. well not right, but perogative to get high/drunk/buzzed whatever the case may be. The person that does drugs is responsable for their actions.
That's like me getting pulled over with an ounce of weed in the car, and blaiming the drug dealer for forcing me to smoke it
threlayer, you are the one showing you have no sense of realization, becuase you seem to make the conclusion that every drug dealer is in a gang and kills people, and that everyone that does drugs are bad, and everytime a drug dealer goes into any type of establishment, someone is in fear for their lives, which could hardly be the case.
Granted, the guy that is the "coke guy" or "weed guy" at every SC in america, isn't good for business.
But the guy that happens to sell drugs has the right to see beautiful naked women just as anyone else, as long as he is respectful and is willing to pay.
These guys weren't respectful, not only to the dancers, but to the rest of the crowd, so yes, they can be sent packing but please
And who did the gang members "bully" around.. either that's a bad choice of words, or you are putting a prejedical spin on the entire situtation.
The mexican guy that got whipped was apart of their gang. From what i heard he had done something to piss everyone else in the gang off, don't know what it was, but they were aruging, just a breif riase of tempers, when I first got in the club. I had seen them before and they had never caused any trouble before, so why am I to think tonight would be anything different.
As far as the drunk white guy, if he would have shut his mouth, nothing wouldn't have happened.
That doesn't make it right, by any means, but it's not like they were just randomly pointing guns at guys for no reason to scare the people shitless
And yes, I don't agree that what happened was right or I am not blind to it, however, I do know how to mind my own business, and becuase of it I get along with alot of people
That issue could have been ironed out at home, or in private
you must not have even bothered to read my post.. the reason I stayed for an hour, the main reason, is because i Know enough about gun fights to know that the majority of them take place int he parking lot... so I was waiting on the cops to eventually show up, so I could get to my car in one peice, but they never came, so I went tot he bouncer and asked was everything cool and they said yes, so I bounced.
Yeah, I had a video camera sitting outside waiting to resale the fight on the internet (sarcasm)
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I think what would bother me the most (aside from the cops not being called) is the fact that these jerks were allowed back into the club after this all happened.
It's one thing for something to break out in a club.. that can be out of the club's control... but not to prevent it from happening again seems rather insane and that is something the club CAN control.
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My Gosh, :banghead: I was about to go check that club out, that same night. But now i'm glad i didn't. Piss on that. My safety is absolutely first. That's BS! They know crudd like this happens. They must have been to "(meow)" to do anything about.
Or Even worst they took on the whole, "Not my club, Not today". Therefore they were unprepared for it and probley didn't realize what to do since it rarely happens there.
Yeah, the paper moon was actually a decent club... until some :censored:'s that like go and :censored:it up for everyone else. Which is no suprise. Dump people like that just MAKE my day. :mad: Oh and if this isn't handled the right way next time (sorry 2 say) you can guess which direction that club will be taking. The thugs(whatever you call'em) will just think they can walk in and do it again. So I hope they straighten out! But I dout it!
Well just remember its not always safe, especially in clubs!!! So if your not tough and can't handle it, its nots not for you! Its either going to cas u to lose something or you might get lucky and walk away, so get out.
Because I know this is'nt for me anymore! I'd rather be somewhere where I know I'm safe. Or at least i know i won't be worrying about weither or not something like this is going to happen on the night i'm working there. I'm to little to protect my self, I'm only one person, with little protection, which is why i carry a gun but sometimes it can useless or can even be used againist me.
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As far as the morality of selling drugs to strippers, they are GREAT customers. Why? They deal a drug also. Themselves! So the mutuality is perfect. Dancer gives you a dance for $100 and she gives me the money to get high so she can go ahead and give some more dances. Who is getting hurt?
Who gets hurt? Everybody. One thing I do know is that, gang or no gang, when these types of seedy elements start manifesting themselves in a strip club, mainstream customers tend to stay out and mainstream dancers tend to follow them. Much like prostitution going on, it tends to attract the attention of law enforcement. Management turns a blind eye to this crap because the dealers are either paying them off one way or another, or they're involved in the drug dealing themselves.
Shit like this going on is precisely why I prefer to only go on weeknights, and to be out of the club by midnight, regardless of what night it is.
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Interesting advice.
A club manager is dumb and to shortsided to get involved in the drug game, espically when you are dealing with small time local drug dealers as these guys were.
I am going to find out today have they been back since.. i swear to god if another incident like that happens with these exact same people, they won't see me again until new management takes over.. this is new management
Heather Weathers, check the club out... like I said, I have been going there for about a year and a half and this is the first time i have ever seen anything remotely close toa nything like this happen there.. it's a very clean place, and you will make more money there on a bad night than you would in most clubs around here on a good one.
In all reality, most strip clubs are going to have their issues... you can expect something like this to happen once every 4-6 months or so... it's just unavoidable, so to nitpick about one fight breaking out is over stepping it IMHO. But with that said, you learn from your mistakes.. these people shouldn't be the people causing the fight
like i said about drugs.. what you do is what you do, it's none of my business.. just don't do it at the SC
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Doc- what is a mainstream stripclub patron or dancer? Why is providing a service to dancers seedy? Actually why is using drugs more "seedy" than hanging around a stripclub? I dont think either is seedy at all. I like naked girls. I like to get high. Am I a gang member or someone who causes discomfort to anyone else? NO. However, people with opinions like yours are one of the reasons why stripclubs are in areas like that described in this post. Many peolpe consider stripclubs as another means of destroying the moral fabric of communities, like dealing drugs. I dont believe either is true. But it appears you have a double standard.
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I don't think he means the act itself is seedy, just that the act of getting high at work can casuse you or others to loose a job.
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simple: dont patronize this type of club nor the dancers should. I dont go to "getto" clubs.
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Originally Posted by skanklover
Doc, ... Actually why is using drugs more "seedy" than hanging around a stripclub? ... Am I a gang member or someone who causes discomfort to anyone else? NO. However, people with opinions like yours are one of the reasons why stripclubs are in areas like that described in this post. Many peolpe consider stripclubs as another means of destroying the moral fabric of communities, like dealing drugs. I dont believe either is true. But it appears you have a double standard.
There is the moral contingent that is against stripclubs, especially in certain areas. Then there are the pragmatists who tolerate the 'moral' issues, but take great offense to overt and dangerous crimes going on, like fights and drunk drivers and drug dealing. Many clubs are relegated to areas where the populace is not bombarded with this fallout (or are grandfathered in with lots of passive protests). Whenever something like what was described at the Paper Moon occurs, both contingents come out against the clubs. Even if this involved just a run-of-the-mill bar without dancing, this ruffles plenty of feathers. Sure this occurs in many places other than strip clubs, but strip clubs seem often to bear the brunt of these public passions.
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Songofthesword,
I am not going to repeat much of I said earlier, as I have no change to it.
You are right that people consume many things that are dangerous to their health and the public welfare. So what we need is more drugs and poisons and public tolerance to them? No. There are regulation of tobacco and of liquor, and a good thing there is. People have to get high on substances to enjoy themselves? Well, fortunately not all of us need to numb ourselves up to have fun.
In your original post you said nothing substantive about drugs, but in subsequent posts the issue emerged. I did not say that gang bangers were always drug dealers. But often they have an intimate relation with drugs and with dealing.
We agree that these characters have a right to be at clubs if they are respectful; however, they were not. Their forcing their way by endangering everyone at the club shows that demonstratively. You agree that they could have ignored the drunk and could have taken their gang member dispute outside. They certainly did not need to be armed and draw their weapons. Thre are lots better ways to prove your manhood in a stripclub than to unsheath your weapon. Such irresponsibility and lack of respect for anyone is completely unacceptable to anyone except for the excessively tolerant or unaware.
A camera outside and/or in the club would have been most interesting to review. It would look like an episode of 'Billy the Kid' or 'Bad Boys' or AMW.
Maybe I demand too much social responsibility from people. Maybe I am going to continue to be disturbed by social misfits. But I am not going to promote the growth of such a scourge by tolerating these dangerous episodes.