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Girlfriend,I CANNOT agree with you more.There's a fine line between tasteful and out right shocking behavior.The absolute ONLY way and time I can do such a thing is when it's for my man while in the bedroom.
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In a way I agree, and it reminds me of how I felt when I first started dancing (I was very prissy. "That is just crass" I would say.)
I've never been big on the "spread" for myself, simply because I don't do a lot of dancing on my back. I tend to be very upright. But keep in mind that part of what makes it tasteless or distasteful is simply an extension of the vagina itself being distasteful. It occurred to me one day that I was ragging (in my head, not out loud to them) on these girls for flashing their frogs around, while the guys in question thought it was a great, sexy, sexual, arousing and beautiful thing to look at. So, how empowering is that? I mean when the dudes in perverts row have more reverence for the female body than I do, I think that I have the problem (especially considering that it is my body). Like there is no reason to object to men wanting to look at your vagina than them wanting to look at anything else unless you think there is something grotesque about your vagina.
I will end with a quote (I think by Germaine Greer, but it could be Steinem):
"Can you dig it? Cunt is beautiful."
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Of course men love looking at vaginas.That's a no-brainer.In my opinion,true grace and beauty is when you,as a women can hold the attention of the opposite sex utilizing other aspects of yourself,rather than the blatantly obvious.
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you're just arguing that the madonna is inherently more beautiful than the whore, when both are lovely in their own fashions. i tend to be wary of arguments like yours that elevate some bits of a lady's body over others in order to define some nebulous notion of 'classy' or 'ladylike'.
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I didn't mention the words,"classy" or "ladylike" in my post at all.I stand by what I said.
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Of course men love looking at vaginas.That's a no-brainer.In my opinion,true grace and beauty is when you,as a women can hold the attention of the opposite sex utilizing other aspects of yourself,rather than the blatantly obvious.
Why? Why is "true beauty" the woman with her legs closed? Why isn't the vagina "truly beautiful"?
I also don't think it is a no-brainer. Don't you think it is kind of interesting that men accept the vagina as beautiful, while women are arguing that they are grotesque and should be, more or less, hidden even when we are naked? THAT is something that I learned from stripping - before stripping I had the idea that vagina was the great unmentionable; that it was this odorous entity that could be touched but not seen.
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Men love vaginas and think they are beautiful because they love the concept of being able to copulate with it.There are no "artsy" or other symbolic reasons other than plain old sex.I believe a woman has true power when they can use things other than her vagina to peak the interest of the male species.Anyone can spread their legs and say,"Look at this",but not everyone can hone their skills in other areas and still gain/maintain that attention.
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not everyone can go 'look at this' and get men to stare. that's an inaccurate statement to make. and while you didn't use the word classy or ladylike in these particular posts, that is pretty well the country you were residing in.
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I'm not alone in this stance,apparently.Mentalities like this is what contributes to the over sexuality of strip clubs nowadays.Stripping used to be so sensual.Now,it's over the top too sexual.
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Men love vaginas and think they are beautiful because they love the concept of being able to copulate with it.
Um. Well, yes. So? Why is this a bad thing? And for that matter, do you really think it differs from how you are presenting your entire body when you're on a stage? I mean you are presenting yourself as something they would like to copulate with. You think you are somehow, what? Better? Sexier? because you are grossed out by your cunt?
Personally I cannot accept that showing one's vagina is the downfall of the industry. It's just another body part.
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We can agree do disagree then.Going on and on is pointless.
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Without making a case either for or against this, I can't remember a time when it wasn't going on in some clubs, and I started dancing in the early 80s.
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I'll just say that, the first night I stripped, I almost passed out when I went into the changeroom and saw vaginas, vaginas everywhere...legs spread, girls bent over checking themselves in the mirror. It was shocking, even on stage. I scarcely had even checked my own out before then.
And now it's just another thing. I don't think it's digusting to parade it on stage at all. I don't really spread it because I'm too self-conscious. I certainly don't hold it against the girls who do, however. It really is just anatomy- and if it gets a positive response, then so what?
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I don’t get off being a tease, that is trying to get guys to look without me showing anything. I like my vagina. I have three piercings down there and I think they are cool and guys like to see them. The lights sparkle off of them when I spread and the spot hits the right place. I think guys have different reasons for liking vaginas. I don’t have a big chest so I tend to attract crotch guys as opposed to breast guys. I think some dancers tend to emphasize their breasts by getting them made bigger or keeping their nipples hard or piercing while others who have real long legs show off their legs. I got a cute cooch and I show it off. My legs are not that long nor my titties that big it is just another body part.
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I LOVE showing my pussy. It's another beautiful part of my beautiful body. And for fuck sakes, I have one hell of a nice snatch.
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I agree that the vagina is just another (beautiful) body part, and I feel pretty comfortable with my own. However, I guess I look at stripping as more than just a parade of female bodies across a stage. I use my stage time to entertain by dancing in a sensual way, or a gymnastic way on the pole, or even in a funny way - in other words, I'm performing and it takes skill, practice, creativity and a sense of humor . If it were just my body that customers were watching, how do you explain the guys who can't look away from me even when I don't take off one piece of clothing during a set? Or the ones who can't look away from my eyes even when I've taken off everything?
I guess I find it frustrating that few dancers are really putting any thought or effort into their performances, instead they just lie down on their backs and spread their legs. Boooring. But show me a thoughtful, creative way to show off your latest piercings and I'm all for it.:)
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I do a fun, energetic stage show but at the same time I have no problem laying on my back and showing my kitty, I keep it part of my show. Hell you will even see me hanging from the rafters spreading my legs :D I have a very nice small kitty and I have no problem showing her off.
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I spread when I'm bored, but I find that little flashes here and there hold their interest longer.
I don't like when I visit the club as a customer and the dancer doesn't do anything but show her vagina. Great. *yawn* I've got one too, and it's just another body part. Save the clinical display for your gynecologist.
Some people like to watch a full spread, some don't.
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I don't tend to show it a lot because of the kind of personality I want to portray, i.e. the girl-next-door with a really wild side that I'll show you in a private dance. I also use it to sort of bait tipping. Which is the only reason I don't think other girls should just prance up on stage and at the start of the second song just take off the thong and give everyone an eyefull, I feel like if we all hold out for bigger tips than it'll just benefit us all. There are customers who just want to see pussy and will pay for that, and I'll oblige, but lots of guys just like the peeks here and there.
I do want to thank Jenny for voicing her opinion though, because I haven't really thought about it before. I've just been quick to say "classless" or "distastefull" instead of looking at other issues I may have. And it makes me a little sad because I know that if I had the kind of vagina that I personally consider to be the most visually pleasing (a cute little one that isn't as full or darker colored than mine), I actually would show it off a lot more.
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OH, honey. I'm sure your vagina is delightful. It just has character.
There is also, I think, a difference in saying, as some girls have, that doing NOTHING but showing your vagina is boring, and that "keeping it reserve" is good tip technique, and saying that it is distasteful. Like I said - I don't do a spread on stage (although, I will say that in a private dance, I have no qualms about shoving in your face. Well not your's, but you know. And not actually "in". There is a small gap), because it is just not the kind of show I do. And, I'm not very flexible.
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I think some dancers tend to emphasize their breasts by getting them made bigger or keeping their nipples hard or piercing while others who have real long legs show off their legs. I got a cute cooch and I show it off. My legs are not that long nor my titties that big it is just another body part.
I totally agree. Whether boobs or legs or yor kitty you are using your body to attract guys. But I also agree that having your kitty an inch from the customer is a bit much. I did show my kitty when I worked at a nude club but it was during floor work and was more like a peek here and there...
I like working topless because I can lay down spead my legs and let the boys 'imagine' whats down there but not see it... but I have no problem with girls showing, not at all... if youre comfortable with it and its legal who am I to say whats right and wrong?
Were all show our bodies for money... my question is why is it ok to show your breasts but not your kitty? Why it it 'classy' to show your breasts and 'trasy' to show your kitty... either way your showing your body for money...
Its all in the name of sex - some men 'get off' more with breasts so does this make those who use their breasts to make money more trashy than those who use their kitty because said guy isnt really a kitty guy? /:O
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i've only flashed kitty once, and i was compensated handsomely. it is illegal, but i don't have a problem with girls doing it discretely. i find it best to leave them always wanting more. i usually wear booty shorts, and i don't take them off. it seems to intrigue the guys. and if they want me to take them off, i tell them i need to get more comfortable with them: meaning maybe the 4th dance or so they'll get lucky, and on top of all the dances, i usually get a nice tip. that's not with every guy, but it happens a fair amount.
what irks me and i can't help but think is trashy and classless is when girls pull that shit in the OPEN. onstage, flashing pussy for a dollar. there was one girl at the landing strip, sweet girl (sorta) and her thong was constantly slipped to the side. i could pick her labia out of a lineup i've seen it so many times. any time someone would say something to her she'd just go "ooops!" and reach down and make some minor adjustments. eh, it was annoying. just don't do it onstage if you're in a topless club.
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I'm probably in the minority amongst guys, but when a dancer is fully nude, I think its sexiest when she acts as though she is almost oblivious to it and just keeps on flirting with the audience the same way that she did when she was covered. Maybe its because I'm a leg nut, but I'd just prefer she remain standing.
You know a gal is sexy when she has her goodies out for all the world to see and yet you can't help but be drawn to her eyes.
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I love showing my kitty on stage.. But ya 1 inch away from the customer is a bit much