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Is there any honest job or work you would consider "beneath" you?
Per several of my family elders, there shouldn't be any honest work which would be unacceptable to you. Especially when you need money to pay your bills, etc, even if it means being "underemployed."
But what made me think about this was A. reading Erotictonic's thread "The Lower Class - Who's At Fault?" and B. listening to the radio this morning, where the host was primarily talking about the protests in Los Angeles re: illegal immigration.
The host was talking, or almost ranting, about how he had a job mowing lawns and cleaning restrooms at a public park when he was much younger. What he was angry about was President Bush using the phrase, "the jobs Americans won't do." Btw, I don't know the radio guy's actual age, only that from things he has said, he is over forty and under fifty.
I know this thread might be a little too much on the "pooish" side, but I am mostly interested in seeing how people view all forms of honest work, but especially those jobs which are difficult, yet pay very little.
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i was a little put off by that comment "jobs americans won't do". i thought we had plenty of unemployed people who would be willing to do any job... i haven't researched the matter. i just thought that comment was a little off.....maybe americans can't or don't do those jobs b/c they aren't available to them, b/c an illegal immigrant already has the job? i can't say much on this, i am not a political person. but that comment did stick out to me last night on the news.
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Originally Posted by bikinigirl04
i was a little put off by that comment "jobs americans won't do". i thought we had plenty of unemployed people who would be willing to do any job...
You shouldn't be. There are alot of people who are of the lower class who'd rather not do ___________. People who come from other countries have a work ethic that Americans just don't have. They will do what they have to do to get the job done, and support their family.
How many people do YOU know who bitch and moan "well no one's hiring" ::) Open the newspaper up, there are tons of jobs! It's just that alot of people have no interest in performing the required duties.
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The quote "jobs Americans won't do" is pretty accurate,that's why the phrase was coined.If you aren't willing to do these jobs,then you have no room getting upset at the President for saying that.The truth is the truth,no matter how unpleasant.
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I vowed many years ago to never again work in the food service industry. I don't think it's 'beneath me' - I just don't wanna do it.
I've never had a real problem making money so it has been an easy vow to live up to.
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well aren't americans always bitching about welfare and how there's people getting welfare that just don't want to work, are too lazy? so would we rather have illegals do those jobs and keep paying the lazy people welfare?
this is rather pooish, and i am by no means qualified to discuss pooish things....so go easy on me ok! :P
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Originally Posted by onlythebest
The quote "jobs Americans won't do" is pretty accurate,that's why the phrase was coined.If you aren't willing to do these jobs,then you have no room getting upset at the President for saying that.The truth is the truth,no matter how unpleasant.
i wasn't upset in the least. and who said i wasn't willing to do these jobs.(if that was directed to me) what jobs is he talking about that americans won't do?
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I wouldn't wait tables--tried that in college and hated it.
Couldn't work in fast food either, just too tacky for me. "Could I have a McDickwich, please?" Fuck that...
I can't work in a library, tried that in college and hated it as well for totally different reasons. Too damned quiet for me, lol--though I love going to them and getting big stacks of books to take home where it's noisy as I want it to be.
Physical labor doesn't bother me at all, especially if I'm in the right mood, but most require getting up when I am going to bed, so are right out.
One of the worst jobs I ever had was doing phone survey work. Most people hang up instantly or are very rude, and they had 'monitors' who would eavesdrop to make sure you were being a good clone. Didn't last long there, either, lol!
To me working for assholes is what makes a job really intolerable, though, no matter what profession it is.
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I don't believe that there is any job beneath anyone, but I will do my darndest to stay away from the fast food lower tier jobs, prostitution, and working in prisons, kid-themed restaurants, or nursing homes. I have mucho respect for people who CAN do those jobs, but I'd rather work in a sewer than any of those!! I'm just not built for working with criminals, hungry people, old people, or kids. I can barely deal with horny men as a stripper without getting nauseous, so those jobs would be my absolute last resorts.
As an aside, Bikinigirl, you are right in that the "...jobs Americans won't do" statement is oversimplifying the problem. I liken it to saying that "most strippers won't dance for $5/song, so let's get some strippers in here that will, and hope that when the $5 strippers take all the jobs, the $20+ strippers will get so desparate, they'll break down and dance for less than strippers are actually worth." It's a helluva lot more complicated that simply "...jobs Americans won't do."
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Originally Posted by bikinigirl04
i wasn't upset in the least. and who said i wasn't willing to do these jobs.(if that was directed to me) what jobs is he talking about that americans won't do?
Jobs like cleaning trash and other laborous jobs that most Americans won't do.I'm not saying keep on letting the illegals come over nor do I agree with the abuse of the welfare system.Neither is right but there's no stopping this anytime soon.It would be like trying to empty a lake with a drinking cup.
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Most professionals do not want to list lower skilled jobs on their resume, as it might limit their opportunities in the future. HR departments are grossly ignorant when it comes to hiring/filtering practices, and that just filters you out pretty much except at small firms where the knowledgable work manager is responsible for hiring. It is not just a 'beneath you' sort of thing. It's just playing the HR Department game.
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Certainly it is in the interest of the business world to have a lot of desperate people willing to work shit jobs for shit pay...
Thus the ready acceptance of immigration by some. I knew a woman from Texas who tried to get me to join some elite secret club of strange Texas hardcore types, and one of their goals was to open the borders right up. I didn't join, needless to say.
All that being said, someone with no education and no motivation to get ahead in life should maybe consider taking a shit job instead of trying to play out MTV fantasies and wait for life to give them what they want, as so many seem to do.
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I have a college degree, and I have still done every shit job from mucking stalls in a racing stable(46 box stalls a day), baling hay 12hrs a day, to being a short order cook in a bowling alley, to being a cashier at Wal Mart.
I worked for Kenworth Trucks for a long time, and our hardest working, most reliable mechanic was illegal and we all knew it. Half of eastern WA and OR is made up of illegal immigrants. Very few white people are willing to live in a tent and pick watermelons and canteloupes, or stand on a ladder picking cherries 12hrs a day in the sun for maybe $5 an hour.
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those aren't the jobs americans won't do. Think migrant farm workers. Think meat packers. Jobs that have very low pay, frequently high risk etc. Oh, oh - think live in domestic. These are not jobs that amercians are flocking to do - and frankly, the way that they are currently handled, they shouldn't be.
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I don't really see any work as "beneath" me, but I do have moral opposition to some kinds of work:
1. I would have to object to working for a company that purposely and knowingly uses slave labor or violates human rights as part of business.
2. Psuedo brain washing marketing and advertizing firms.
3. Crooked politicians and even some well intentioned ploiticians are doing more harn than good. Couldn't work for them.
4. I could not work as a repo-woman. I feel it is the company's greed that caused them to extend credit to someone who couldn't afford to make their payments in the first place. Some credit companies count on their customers defaulting on their loans as part of their business model.
Most work out there simply fall into the "unpleasent" category, like food service or septic tank cleaning.
And the thing about "jobs americans won't do" is bull and Bush knows it. I have a highly functioning mentally disabled step brother. He had a fast food job for years, but was replaced by illegals because he was watched by advocates for signs of abuse by his employers. The employers learned that they could abuse the illegals and get away with it, so he was fired from a job he enjoyed and was good at. Appearently the tax breaks his employers got was not enough incentive to keep him on. That is just one example.
I've been in parts of the country that have very few immigrants, and have noticed that mentally challenged folks take jobs like house keeping for motels and washing dishes in restaurants, instead of the make-work that the government gives them to do, they are a functioning and contributing part of society. And I'm sure there are lots of Americans that LOVE to garden, and would do it for a living, if they could earn enough at their job to support a family. There are also plenty of Americans who are willing to work in construction, but can't compete with the ultra low wages of the illegals. How long would you work a hard physical labor job for $7 and hour? And you are expected to provide your own tools and equipment? Not long I bet.
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Trust me, being a groom, an exercise rider, or a jockey, which I have done all of is something most white people do not want to do. Long hours, little or no pay, very high risk, (we had an exercise rider killed on our private track). Dealing with one 1200lb+ running machine who is caged 23hrs a day in a 10x10 stall definitely qualifies as high risk, let alone 50 or more of them.
Working for Simplot or Lamb Weston in a potato processing plant, which I have done, is a shit job. It's not any better than being a meat packer. I was one of the few white people in the place who wasn't a supervisor or an office worker.
Baling hay, driving a tractor all night and half the day twisted around in the seat to watch the baler and trying to steer, breathing in dust and hay, the constant danger of getting run over, rollovers, getting caught in the machinery and turned into a hay bale, is a shit job.
Picking watermelons, canteloupes, apples, cherries, cotton, etc... IS done by migrant workers. I don't know many americans willing to live in a tent in a public park half the year, be packed in a truck like sardines and driven to fields where they work in the sun all day with no running water, Port-A-Potties if you're lucky, and no breaks, to get paid piecemeal by the weight of what you picked that day.
Being a Wal Mart cashier is the biggest shit job for no pay that there is. It is the one place that I refuse to ever work again. And believe me, there are plenty of illegal immigrants working for Wal Mart.
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hmmm... i believe Bush's bill is going through this week for his policy to let the immigrants get work visas and stay to do the jobs until their time is up. I was sorta stuck on this issue but i like your viewpoint Paris. Glad i found this thread. It's a hot topic this week.
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Even though I'm college educated I've had jobs that don't require more than high school that I would happily do but they don't pay a living wage. White people have done all of those jobs 'no American would do'. Successful labor movements got them legal protection and so business owners started using illegal workers as a back door to keep up the profits.
In NY and NJ we were paid $18 an hour to dance. A certain club owners began to hire illegal immigrants to systematically drive down the areas wages. His brilliant plan backfired in the long run for him but set off a chain of events so that now we pay THEM. That's what they want. Are we wrong to be angry that there's a quota of Americans hired in many of that areas clubs and the rest of the jobs are set aside for illegals?
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Originally Posted by Djoser
Certainly it is in the interest of the business world to have a lot of desperate people willing to work shit jobs for shit pay...
Thus the ready acceptance of immigration by some. I knew a woman from Texas who tried to get me to join some elite secret club of strange Texas hardcore types, and one of their goals was to open the borders right up. I didn't join, needless to say...
Rather interesting stuff about the Texas secret club, considering one "conspiracy theory" I've heard is that outsourcing is somehow an intentional attack on the "middle" and "upper" middle class while guest workers could be used to depress wages of the poor & "lower" middle class.
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There are a lot of jobs I would never take, but only because I would sooner mooch off my family and I know I always could. Sad, isn't it? I guess the upside is I have a really tight family that takes care of eachother. :)
I've never taken a job without making a pro/con list before hand and being impressed with the outcome.
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There are alot of jobs I wouldn't want to do. In particular, I wouldn't want to work at a chicken plant. I have heard a few stories about what it is like inside a Tyson plant and it was more than I wanted to know about that is for damn sure !
However, if I had no other legal means of earning an income besides one of those jobs then I would be more than happy to have the work and the paycheck.