question about san francisco earnings, & prostitutes in the club!
girls, time for me to spill it about this club, and seek some advice (which is way down at the end of my posting).
heres the background - i just started dancing, took classes and, well, now no one believes im new. so if you're new, classes help!
anyway....
so i started at this small club here in S.F. but when i started i found out
1)only stripping on wed. and thurs. otherwise its just a bar
2)there are prostitutes everywhere in the bar, and some of the dancers are prostitutes as well.
SO, not only are there many MANY customers who dont feel like they need to spend a DIME on the girls because "this is THEIR bar and THEY'RE just here to drink," or they had no idea there were dancers and just walked in for a drink and found out.
then, on the other end of the spectrum, are the guys who are REALLY HORNY, but since theres prostitutes everywhere, why pay money just for a dance?
ive hustled about 4 custys in the 5 days i worked there who said "oh i dont spend money IN the club. i take the girls out afterwards."
just for kicks i asked him how much. he said $150 for full service!!!
so, the club only has two nights of dancing a week, prostitutes, and many custys dont even know there's dancing until after they come in.
im sure any of you girls that read this far are screaming "LEAVE NOW!!!"
im plannin on it.
i got a question though...
im workin a fulltime day job and thinking of going fulltime as a dancer.
but after working at this club and making like $70-160 a night, im afraid i cant afford to quit my $24K a year secretary job.
so let me know, if i work at a normal club, even if its not a big fancy one, will i make 200 or 300 a night in san francisco?
id really like any feedback about that, really. this club im at now has totally skewed what i thought the business was about.
i better not have worked so hard to be a good dancer for nothin!!!!
Re: question about san francisco earnings, & prostitutes in the club!
Change clubs, there is absolutely no reason to work at this location. It is not a strip club, therefore the clientele did not come in to buy lapdances. Would you go to the grocery store to buy a purse? How would you feel if you were shopping at Bebe for a new outfit and some guy came up to you and tried to sell you a new stereo? Even if he WAS hot, you would probably tell him to fuck off you're looking for a tube top, right?
You need to work at a club where the people walking through the door want to buy the product you are trying to sell. Sounds great that you took classes...Dancerwealth's course is THE BEST. 200/night is a very reasonable and attainable goal for a new dancer at a topless club in SF. Try Gold Club, Hustler, Broadway Showgirls, or Hungry I. Understand that they are all part of the DejaVu chain and will take 30-40% of your total sales, but at least you will be selling to the appropriate crowd.
Finally, the set up of this club sounds pretty shady. Does the club have a cabaret license? Any old corner bar can't decide to let girls take their clothes off a few nights a week. By law they have to provide you with a receipt for any stage fee you pay to them. You should have also filled out an IRS I-9 form stating that you are an independent contractor not a paid employee (unless they are paying you by the hour) Under California law they also have to record and report how many dances you perform. Also, were you dancing nude or bikini? Topless dancing is illegal in california, hence the pasties. It is also illegal to dance nude and serve alcohol in California.
Re: question about san francisco earnings, & prostitutes in the club!
^^^ Topless dancing is most certainly not illegal in California.
Re: question about san francisco earnings, & prostitutes in the club!
hi kit, you were working at divas right? i had read some of your initial posts but i didn't get so far into them to know that you would be comfortable working at a club where customers don't necessarily expect you to be trans. i say go for it! i should have chimed in earlier! you sound like you have the looks, the drive and the determination to do it. SF isnt the easiest town for any dancer to make herself a living but it seems like you are qualified.
i haven't been to divas' but i've heard a little bit about it from other girls and two(or more!)-way swinging customers. pretty gross is the impression i got. in fact, i think one girl said "that place would be a complete whorehouse if it weren't for the women who frequent the bar occasionally." sounds like it is already half of one.
anyway. in SF i would also recommend topless dancing. i think another girl said it in a different thread but i also think the Hungry I would be perfect for you to at least start at. the club is probably the cleanest in the city. there is really no place or opportunity for things to go on in there that would make you uncomfortable to put you at risk. management is pretty cool, the girls are GREAT, and Dan the DJ is my favorite EVER. earning potential is not as high as it might be at hustler or gold club but if you learn how to work it you can do well. i've also found that the $ may be a little more consistant. unfortunately things in SF are very very slow right now, everywhere.
another option, if you want to start somewhere with less contact, might be the bikini bars in the south bay. do some research (i think there are lots of threads to be searched for on here on the subject) and see if the mileage is a little lower there. girls i know who have worked there seemed to have liked it, even if it hasnt made them rich.
lastly, wherever you go, i would keep things about yourself to yourself until you know who you can trust. i mean EVERYONE. i've learned to be real paranoid in this line of work. as well all know, people are morons. and people who work in this industry arent necessarily as open minded as you might think.
feel free to PM me if you want more information. or if you do end up at the I, keep an eye out for a pale-skinned (very fake) platinum blonde. i might see if i can arrange to pop in and work there occasionally for a little extra $ and some fun.
Re: question about san francisco earnings, & prostitutes in the club!
thanks for the advice guys!
you guys are really REALLY nice and I appreciate it.
since I havent frequented any other strip clubs, i have no way to compare how seedy Diva's is.
but ill tell you that i havent SEEN any hj/bj/kissing
i just see guys walking around and then leaving with prostitutes, often times a customer i was trying to hustle (who obviously wasnt looking for a dance then argh!)
there ARE a lot of real pervy guys though, as I have found out. I guess all the tranny strippers there attract some real weirdos.
a guy last night gives me twenty's just to have the chance to put it down my bra. he's loaded, so i ask him for a dance. he tells me
1)he doesnt get hard
2)therefore he doesnt think it would be fun
3)he much prefers to s%ck c%ck and eat c*m!
guess a guy like that needs a tranny!
still that means no dances. THE BASTARD. this is actually typical of the customers. ha!!!
im gonna laugh about this in hindsight for sure.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~* -k
Re: question about san francisco earnings, & prostitutes in the club!
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Originally Posted by kitatonic
thanks for the advice guys!
you guys are really REALLY nice and I appreciate it.
since I havent frequented any other strip clubs, i have no way to compare how seedy Diva's is.
but ill tell you that i havent SEEN any hj/bj/kissing
i just see guys walking around and then leaving with prostitutes, often times a customer i was trying to hustle (who obviously wasnt looking for a dance then argh!)
there ARE a lot of real pervy guys though, as I have found out. I guess all the tranny strippers there attract some real weirdos.
a guy last night gives me twenty's just to have the chance to put it down my bra. he's loaded, so i ask him for a dance. he tells me
1)he doesnt get hard
2)therefore he doesnt think it would be fun
3)he much prefers to s%ck c%ck and eat c*m!
guess a guy like that needs a tranny!
still that means no dances. THE BASTARD. this is actually typical of the customers. ha!!!
im gonna laugh about this in hindsight for sure.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~* -k
Wow, Diva's, huh? I used to live a few blocks up Post from there and was fascinated by the place. I didn't realze that they had real women there too, I thought it was just a tranny bar. Yeah, that area is just CRAWLING with hookers at night and even a few during the day!
I will side with Red Diving Girl and BritneyIreland and say try Hungry I. I worked there and had more consistent earnings then any other club on Broadway. DJ Dan is the protege of best guy friend and all time favorite DJ, John. Also, the girls (once they know you) and management are awesome! Tell Dan Madeline said hello, and if Dewayne is still there, tell him the same. Oh, and send my love to the girls!
But, if you want to go big--I recommend you go with Hustler Club. I know of more than a few ladies from Broadway Showgirls who have defected to Hustler in recent months. Also, my best friend still works there, and she has made well over what you said you need to make in her 2 nights this week.
Good luck!
Re: question about san francisco earnings, & prostitutes in the club!
hehehe. the place IS crawling with them at night ISN'T IT!!!!
yeah theres a few bio-girls, but not many. i know i'm there cuase im new and didnt realize what i was getting into, but i know at least one of them has been around a while. maybe she's there getting 'johns' for later?
i dont know that FOR SURE.
thanks for all the advice guys....
i love strippers!
-k