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Re: Near-Fatal Accident....Is This a Fellow SWer?
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Originally Posted by Mastridonicus
I understand and agree with your sentiments, however, it is understandable that someone with bipolar disorder was not diagnosed by the police at time of arrest.
The police department doesn't have the resources to diagnose her, but there's a good chance that she was acting in an "altered" manner. That's why there's drunk tanks at the stations. They don't know if she was tripping on some meds, or mentally ill-- granted, maybe she just came off as a bitch, and THAT'S why I hope that the cops get nailed for this, especially if they KNEW that she was bipolar from the family's warnings. It's mean and petty and downright low to try to exact revenge on someone for being a bitch or an asshole when we're the ones in the position of power and entrusted with the duty to serve and protect. It is downright evil to exact that type of revenge on a person who we know doesn't have the control over their behavior that a person without bipolar disorder has.
I also hope that as a side effect of this case, that the women's lock up is moved to a less dangerous area, or that perhaps just a second one is provided in the city that isn't in such a dangerous area.
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This tiny blurb from the article should tell you something about the people in this neighborhood
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Witnesses told police they heard her screaming for help while the man held her inside the room, a source said.
And they did nothing? :O She was held for almost THREE HOURS, screaming for help and none of the people in the building did anything to help. No one called the police even?!
That right there should tell you something.
This is from abc7.com's article:
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A long-time resident at the Robert Taylor Homes -- who did not want to be identified -- said earlier Monday evening, she saw the young woman in the courtyard and again outside her own apartment. "The woman got on my floor and tried to get in my apartment. I said, 'No, white and black don't mix,'" said one Robert Taylor Homes Resident.
:O WTF???
Reading the full article Venus linked is makes me sick. This situation is really something else.
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Fancygirl, the Chicago Police Dept IS SUPPOSED TO somewhat diagnose ANY mental disorder and take them to the hospital for evaluation, so long as they have not committed a major crime, which she did not. Each district has a designated hospital they are required to take her to. They didn't even have to 'diagnose' .... the father called and TOLD THEM! ...Which is why they are now being investigated by internal affairs.
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^True, but I'm not sure what she was doing that was exhibiting Bipolar disorder. Most likely she was showing that something was wrong, but the police do not diagnose, they merely put her in lockdown until someone can diagnose her, or send her directly to the closest mental health facility.
And I agree-- these cops are morally reprehensible. But I was allowing for the fact that maybe (yeah right, but it's possible) they DIDN'T get the message or the phone calls.
But my thought is that she was a bitch to them, and they were ignorant on bipolar (or other mental illnesses.) So instead of saying to themselves, "hmm, something must be wrong since she's acting this way. We need to figure out what that is before we release her," they decided to take it personally (or to just ignore their duty to protect and got lazy, not giving a shit where she went) and knowingly release her into an area where she would "get hers" in their mind.
I AGREE WITH YOU. But, in debating what happened we need to consider it from multiple possibilities, including if the family says they called and they didn't, OR they called but it didn't get to the right people. Doubtful, but possible.
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Yeah, our cops here aren't known to be ....shall we say, considerate? I wasn't trying to argue about it ....I do NOT want to take the spotlight off of the situation in and of itself ....I guess I'm just appalled at the whole thing.
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Originally Posted by Hello_Kitty27
She was held for almost THREE HOURS, screaming for help and none of the people in the building did anything to help. No one called the police even?!
That right there should tell you something.
Reading the full article Venus linked is makes me sick. This situation is really something else.
I don't want to read the whole article, I'm sickened enough as it is.
But it should be pointed out that people in neighborhoods like these become inured to screaming and violence. It's still disgusting that no one did anything, but they may not have wanted to get shot.
Interfere with a violent criminal, face the possibility of violence.
We can see how much good calling the police would have done...
Well, maybe it would have helped--they might have reached a good cop, instead of the swine that dropped her off there.
But often police are slow and/or reluctant to get into areas like these, and people are often scared that if they call cops, retribution will be put on them, later on. Also, they tend to view police as the enemy, not someone that's there to protect them, or anyone else.
Me, I would have done something, for God's sake--I'm just explaining how it is that people stay out of horrible situations like these.
Hello_Kitty, I hate to tell you, but she will never recover from this. She'll be lucky if she ever smiles again.
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Djoser said:
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Hello_Kitty, I hate to tell you, but she will never recover from this. She'll be lucky if she ever smiles again.
I know. I guess you can call it wishful thinking .... I wish there was something I could do. It's weird, but I can't stop thinking about it. Something about this is tugging at me....does that make sense? I mean you hear things like this kinda often in the world, but this is really getting to me.
Here's the building she fell or whas pushed from :
http://a.abclocal.go.com/images/wls/...hafall_200.jpg
Notice it's all concrete.....
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Rape stories do that to me too, HelloKitty. They stay with me for days, and they get me down. It's a great thing to know that you've still got your humanity enough to be hit hard with something like this, but make sure that you don't dwell on it longer than a few days. There's good things about living too...even if it is mixed in with the evilness, sickness, and ignorance that epitomizes this story.
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Yes, it's one of the most horrible stories I've ever read--and I've read lots of military history, full of rape, torture, murder--somehow this just gets to me something awful.
I still haven't read the links, I don't want to.
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The most important thing to remember here is this: The girl's family called police on numerous occasions and told them that she was bi-polar and begged for them to hold her until a family member came and picked her up. She was originally booked at another station and transferred to the one that eventually released her...yet they did not transfer her luggage, her purse, or any of her other belongings. So, even though they released her there was absolutely no way that she would be able to go anywhere, do anything, etc.
Also, it is CHICAGO POLICE POLICY that if someone is even "suspected" to have a mental issue, that they are transferred for evaluation to the nearest "host hospital". The hospital was 2 MILES away from this police station. There was no reason that they DIDN'T transfer her to the hospital to await her family. And, what the fuck were they thinking releasing her with nothing to even "buy" safe passage? Why didn't they return her to the original booking precinct to pick up her stuff?
I've said it several times, but the cops should be fired...everyone who was involved in making decisions in this case...and the family's should sue each one of those cops for endangerment...and if the girl dies, then for wrongful death. That should be done in addition to the city being sued for complete and total disregard for the health and safety of someone in their care.
Bastards.
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If I was wealthy I would gladly pay to have the guys who did this tracked down like dogs...
And the cops? they should be dropped off in the same location, in their underwear, with a box of doughnuts each, in the middle of the night.
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^ Actually, putting them in high security prison while telling all of the prisoners the newcomers are currupt cops would probably work just as good. ;)
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The only problem i really see with this (well there are more, her health) is that she is not a child, she is an adult, she is bi-polar as many many many people all around the world are. She should be on her meds. It's her who would have to be the person to stay in a 'normal' state of mind. You can't push the drugs down her if she is not in a facility for treatment.
She made it to to Chicago, and she was not a nice person to deal with. It's a judgemnet call. If her being an adult wants out of jail, and she is ready for release, they will let her out. Now, the parents probably called many many times as i read, but still she is an adult. She was not a threat to others or herself it seems.
So police do what they do...we may not like it. But she was released. I think it would have been nice to hold her for family. But if she was of sound mind as bi-polar people can very much be and she wanted to go against her parents wishes...i don't think the police had grounds to hold her.
Also she was pissed at police. That does NOT help..i see it enough.
Again to take her to another part of town says she may have ended back up in that section anyway...who knows. They did their job. But at times it's nice to take an extra step for people. Some stations/officers will not do this if the person is an adult. Others will.
I hope she lives. I hope she lives a fine life after this.
Pamela
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Originally Posted by Pamela
She made it to to Chicago, and she was not a nice person to deal with. It's a judgemnet call.
I think it would have been nice to hold her for family. But if she was of sound mind as bi-polar people can very much be and she wanted to go against her parents wishes...i don't think the police had grounds to hold her.
Also she was pissed at police. That does NOT help..i see it enough.
Pamela, as a former residential counselor to this type of mentally ill client I have to reiterate--she's ILL. If I injected you with enough brain altering drugs you would do unspeakable things. She's not just some bitchy chick, she's out of control hopped up on mood altering brain chemicals.
Further, if you are arrested, your money is taken and it may be a day or two before you get it back. How the hell are you getting to safety without money? She didn't get what she deserved--she got a raw deal.
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With all due srespect she is ill. Yes. But so are millions of people in America. On or off of mind altering drugs. Still if WE do not appear to be dangerous to others or to ourselves we can be out walking around. AS far as we know she may have been OFF her meds. Not drugged out on them.
As for money, well it takes a call back to the parents (they knew where she was, for money home) to see her safely home. Did she call before release, you are allowed to by law i am sure.
I am looking at this as police officers are COLD. They do a job and that is about it. Many wont go the extra step. (most) This woman was clearly getting loud with police. Again, they do a job, bi-polar or not.
I do feel for her. But don't expect police to "taxi" or hold an adult against her will after release. She still has rights too. She did not (from what i read ) seem "out of commission." She was simply released.
Not a good choice on the cops who took her in, i agree. But again if she can walk talk and seems competent just enough they will release you. It's their job, not to play doctor.
Who says she was pumped up with many mood altering drugs?? Didn't she seem to have a fight with a bf/man? She was already upset. And got so with police.
I DO side with her. But again, we don't know the whole picture here, so i wish her well again! I do. As for the police, poor judgement call? Perhaps. Keep her untill parents get there. But again IF she seems competent enough and refuses to stay with police any longer, they can/HAVE to release her when her release rolls around.
I have been reading about this since it happened online. And well The police are police.
I just finished reading all the articles. She asked for water to take her pill. She took it. It IS a patients responsibility to take our meds. if we are out in society.
I am looking at this from her side and the police side of the arrest. If in fact she was incompetent, she should have been sent to a facility to wait for her parents it seems as Chicago does this. Here in Florida we turn them out, if they are adults and are not a baker act.
Pamela
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Originally Posted by VenusGoddess
^ Actually, putting them in high security prison while telling all of the prisoners the newcomers are currupt cops would probably work just as good. ;)
Better, actually--they might stand a chance of getting away with merely getting the shit kicked out of them if we did it my way.
But I like yours better...
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Wow, that is such a messed up story! Some parts of Chicago are really scary, I feel so bad for that girl. And sure if you fall from 7 stories you will never be ok again.
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i hope everything turns out ok for her..... who was this person she flew with to chicago... i should have prob read all the posts more but i haven't been on stripperweb in a bout a month due to technical difficulties....
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Originally Posted by 242_fair
Wow, that is such a messed up story! Some parts of Chicago are really scary, I feel so bad for that girl. And sure if you fall from 7 stories you will never be ok again.
Not to mention being mentally imbalanced in the first place, and having been raped for three hours straight before being tossed out the window.
It's amazing she is even alive, and may not be a blessing--though I hate to say that.
And yeah, Chicago has some scary sections. I was pretty ballsy as a skinny college boy, but I sure was cool when riding the El one night and 5-6 big guys got on, carrying baseball bats.
They weren't going to play a game, that was pretty obvious.
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Originally Posted by Pamela
I am looking at this from her side and the police side of the arrest. If in fact she was incompetent, she should have been sent to a facility to wait for her parents it seems as Chicago does this. Here in Florida we turn them out, if they are adults and are not a baker act.
Pamela
This is true. You turn anyone who does their "time" out. However, usually when you turn someone out, you give them all of their personal effects back. These cops KNEW by working DAILY in Robert Taylor homes area that turning a petite white girl with blonde hair onto the streets of this ghetto that her chances were not just slim, but pretty much non-existent.
Am I angry about the residents who didn't help her? Yes and no. Could you imagine living in a place that if you stepped out to help someone, and you survived the gang members who run the place would kill you and anyone else close to you? It's unfathomable to me and I would never wish that living condition on anyone.
IMHO, the only ones responsible here are the police. They willfully and knowingly sent this girl to her demise. They released her without any of her luggage...without any way to get ANYWHERE...into an area in which they traverse routinely for shootings, stabbings, rapes, and murders. They know the odds of a black person getting the kick...you can't tell me that they thought, for any second, this girl would be safe or that nothing would happen to her.
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No i can't imagine this happening to me. And it's so damn sad it happened to her. I hope she gets the best treatment. She does deserve it after what happened to her. I hope they get all the facts about the guy she fought with, the guy/s who did this to her and hang them by the balls. And if the laws there differ from what our jails do here, i hope justice is served for this woman in every way possible!
And i agree with you, i think they thought about it, but did not care. It's what many officers do.
Pamela
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UPDATE!!!! You want to talk about police responsibility ...... It came on WBBM780 news this morning that the apartment she fell from is used to police surveilence ...... they did not appear to lock it up after they used it!! (There didn't appear to be forced entry). So there is now an 'investigation' into that as well as all the other little investigations going on due to this matter.
(FYI: The police were not involved during the actual fall ....I'd like to make that clear. At least according to the news report)
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so there's a chance the police raped the woman? I guess that would also be another reason why witnesses didn't call the police.
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Originally Posted by threlayer
Probably some corrupt and jaded policeman wanted to get rid of this problem woman (maybe the ones that had to deal with her craziness), so he arranged to dump her off in a part of town he wouldn't let his dog in. Some are like that, you know.
Exactly what I was thinking. Most likely some asshole cop(s) getting their own kind of revenge on what they must have thought was some annoying bitch ::) Why else would they let put an out of towner in a predicament like that? We all know they KNEW they would be putting her in danger :mad:
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Originally Posted by Pamela
As for money, well it takes a call back to the parents (they knew where she was, for money home) to see her safely home. Did she call before release, you are allowed to by law i am sure.
Since the police released her on the streets WITHOUT her purse, ID, money, phone, luggage, etc IN THE PROJECTS WHERE THERE ARE USUALLY NO WORKING PAYPHONES AROUND, how the hell would she have even been able to call her parents to ask for help? And then, how would she have gotten to a western union or any other location where she could have received the help from her parents?? The cops put her out on the street in the projects with NOTHING, knowing full well she was from out of state and would be a walking target. It is rare that I would say this to Pamela, but on this one, I have to say your defense of these asshole cops is just dead wrong.