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Positive Stripper Stories
Hi all,
I am starting a web site about strippers "real lives." My experiences in strip clubs, as well as knowing some strippers outside of clubs, has shown me that strippers are very varied, they are wives, mothers, students, etc. In other words, most are good people making a living doing something that some folks think is immoral. I don't want to avoid the negative aspects of stripping, but I do want to focus on the positive and also what women do when they aren't at the club.
So, I'd like to hear from strippers who might be interested in participating by giving interviews, writing a blog entry or two, or just providing some input. This will not be an erotic site, although I would like to publish some pics and will, of course, give full credit to anyone who provides input, links to their website, club, etc., if they want it.
This thing hasn't been launched yet, it is still evolving in my mind, but I hope I have given you some idea of what I want to do.
My email address is [email protected] if you want to respond to me directly.
Thanks,
Virgil
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Any DARCOM newbie that will give out their real name and email cant be all bad. Virgil, be advised, your post may come across as a "troll post" to some. Many trolls come here fishing for strippers to send pics and email them for the thrill or to just piss'em off. Search for the threads where others are asking for "interviews". Some girls resent feeling like a bug under a microscope being dissected. I think you are better off first proving yourself by carrying a conversation here in a few threads so the girls get to know you.
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Hi WiseGuy,
Your points are well taken, which is why I used my real name in the post. I have nothing to hide and am sincere. I have read a lot of posts here, but I am honestly not sure how I could contribute to most of the threads because I am not a stripper myself and really have no clue excpet my own limited experience with strippers as friends or my visits to clubs. Also, what does DARCOM mean? Just curious. The pics are secondary to my purpose, but I also know that pics will drive traffic. I am not a troll, but I do understand why I might come across that way. Thanks for your post.
Virgil
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...DARCOM? Dunno what it means. You once used it in reference to the army in another email.
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Hell, I thought it was some secret stripper acronym. You must have checked up on me. I do know what DARCOM means in the army context.
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Why do you want to create this website if you aren't a dancer? I'm just curious as to why this is a topic of interest to you, and if you really think you know enough about dancers to be able to start a website about them.
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I guess that is a good question. I'll try to answer it as best I can. I do not pretend to be an expert on dancers. I only have my own experiences to draw from with dancers I have met in clubs and a couple that my wife and I are friends with that I have never seen dance. Part of my interest is in the public perception of dancers versus my own experiences with the few I have met. Where I live and work, one generally does not admit they go to strip clubs except to very select friends. Its hypocritical, big time. Yet, the dancers I know, while not all are perfect, are generally good people, making a living doing a demanding job that stigmatizes them in "polite society." I just think this is wrong. Because I am not an expert, I want dancer's themselves to tell their stories va interviews, blog entries, etc. on the web site. I don't know if I've answered your question adequately, but this is why I am looking for positive stories and to find out more about dancers beyond their measurements or club dates.
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I think that a site to help educate the masses on what we are really like is a grand idea, striper expert or not. Bravo.
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Originally Posted by PaigeDWinter
I think that a site to help educate the masses on what we are really like is a grand idea, striper expert or not. Bravo.
I'll second that!!
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Paige and Aine,
Thanks for the vote of confidence. Hopefully, it will turn out to be a worthwhile site. I'll let you know when I have it ready to go.
Virgil
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Originally Posted by linadawg
Also, what does DARCOM mean?
Dumb Ass Reject Came On Me!
Of course, I'm just guessing. :shrug:
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Isn't this site exactly what your talking about? And frankly what "real life" do you mean? Last dancer I spoke to about her plans for her day off was washing her hair, studying, and grocery shopping. Not real exciting reading material.
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Actually, you wouldn't realise how much people love reading about the 'mundane' aspects of other peoples' lives.... all because the word "stripper" or "adult entertainment" or "sex industry" or all of those words are attached to the subject... :laughing:
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Originally Posted by PaigeDWinter
I think that a site to help educate the masses on what we are really like is a grand idea, striper expert or not. Bravo.
Got a feeling that a book/website/documentary on dancers wouldn't sell.
What sells is sensationalism, and where's the commercial mileage on dancers who are boringly normal people outside of work?
Most of the info I've seen on dancers concentrates on their work personas, with little attempt to portray them as rounded personalities when not working.
Phil.
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^^ Don't think so, Phil? Check these out:
Dance to Despair : Memoirs of an Exotic Dancer
Candy Girl : A Year in the Life of an Unlikely Stripperby Diablo Cody
A Stripper's Tail : Confessions of a Las Vegas Stripperby Diamond
Confessions Of A Stripper: Tales From The Vip Roomby Lacey Lane
The Stripper Diaries by kathryn N. Howard
Strip City : A Stripper's Farewell Journey Across America by Lily Burana
There are many more out there, not to mention blogs all over the place as well as "documentaries" and just a general facination with all things Stripper.
I would like to also add that the popularity of this site is in direct opposition to your comment. People LOVE the mundane. That's why the paparatizzi are so busy trying to catch famous people in mundane situations.8)
Yes, I think the OP may be on to something.
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But strippers aren't "famous" people for the most part. But you are right people love content its just do we really need another site devoted to how strippers spend there days when they aren't working. Unless of course your doing your laundry naked or grocery shopping in your work clothes that is.
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Originally Posted by GoldCoastGirl
Actually, you wouldn't realise how much people love reading about the 'mundane' aspects of other peoples' lives.... all because the word "stripper" or "adult entertainment" or "sex industry" or all of those words are attached to the subject... :laughing:
I totally agree. I remember reading once in the paper about what Chelsea Clinton had for breakfast. I think anyone in the sex industry has this kind of appeal, famous or not. My site is not going to ignore the stripper aspects of the dancers, but it is not the main focus. But, one's job is part of who we are, so that has to be part of it. Another thing I have been doing is reading some academic research on strippers and plan on trying to get dancer's reactions to some of it. It would be interested for those being studied to comment on the results of some of these papers. I'll post something about one study in a day or two to see what you all think of the conclusions.
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OK, here is the site, with a first entry. The pic on the header is from a stripperweb member who gave me permission to use it.
http://girlsonthepole.com/
Let me know what you think, it is going to be pretty eclectic, and evolve as I figure out what I want to do with it.
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I like the site, but not all feminists consider stripping to be exploitative. In fact, many of us ARE feminists -- perhaps you could clarify about the researcher's specific views.
I'll happily share my viewpoints if you like. PM or email me.
Another thing: would you take it as an insult or as a gift if I did a re-worked version of the site graphic to make it look more professional, and sent it to you? The font you use is a "newbie website" giveaway -- and I have graphic design experience, and enjoy putting together logos and such for people. It would be a fun way for me to support your cause, I think.
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Originally Posted by thechaosfairy
I like the site, but not all feminists consider stripping to be exploitative. In fact, many of us ARE feminists -- perhaps you could clarify about the researcher's specific views.
I'll try to do a better job of clarifying this tomorrow, too late tonight and I am brain dead :-)
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I'll happily share my viewpoints if you like. PM or email me.
Done
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Another thing: would you take it as an insult or as a gift if I did a re-worked version of the site graphic to make it look more professional, and sent it to you? The font you use is a "newbie website" giveaway -- and I have graphic design experience, and enjoy putting together logos and such for people. It would be a fun way for me to support your cause, I think.
It would be a gift and greatly appreciated.
Virgil
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I think your just looking for an excuse to talk to strippers and others in the sex industry without having to pay for it. Yes, strippers are real people with everyday lives. Whats new there? Your attempt seems just like Stripperweb in content. Also, remember that just like a reader associates workers in the sex industry with excitement which may make there everyday life seem interesting, most of what makes it exciting is the dark and forbidden negative aspects of the work.
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Skank,
Ah, you just can't believe that a person can be as he says he is. I must have an ulterior motive, right? Obviously, I am interested in dancers, otherwise I wouldn't be doing this. But, I am capable of having a conversation with people without pretending to be something I am not. Of course, I want to talk to strippers, but I assure you I am not sitting here beating off and leading them on while I correspond with them :O I have recieved more support for my site from dancers than I expected, which tells me it is a good idea. I wasn't sure what kind of reaction I would get.
V
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Originally Posted by thechaosfairy
Another thing: would you take it as an insult or as a gift if I did a re-worked version of the site graphic to make it look more professional, and sent it to you? The font you use is a "newbie website" giveaway -- and I have graphic design experience, and enjoy putting together logos and such for people. It would be a fun way for me to support your cause, I think.
Chaosfairy reworked the graphic and it is soooo much better. Thank you thank you. Check it out: http://girlsonthepole.com
V
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Originally Posted by thechaosfairy
I like the site, but not all feminists consider stripping to be exploitative. In fact, many of us ARE feminists -- perhaps you could clarify about the researcher's specific views.
Let me put in a couple of quotes from the paper that gave me this impression:
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Expressing the dissatisfaction many women feel over inequitable gender relations at work, music helps them engage in practices of resistence (both in the open and behind the scenes) in exotic dance clubs.
There seems to be an assumption that dancers must feel that there are inequitable gender relations at their work. Is this true? Or, do some actually hold power at their jobs, especially over customers? I don't know. Certainly, the club management has some power over all employees, as in all jobs. Is this all bad? Or, is it bad only if management is poor?
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I examine the predominant ways music gets employed in the club: as an expression of the discontent in dancers' relations with management, an an indirect or direct challenge to inequitable situations with regular customers, and as a covert strategy of reappropriation.
The assumption here is that use of music is always about fighting back. I am not so sure. Do you agree or disagree?
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Music in the clubs does not operate as a static message; rather it is read and reread in a variety of ways by dancers who are consuming it and using it in their strategies of protest within the clubs.
This implies that all dancers hate their jobs, their management and/or their customers. Is this the case?
V
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Originally Posted by linadawg
There seems to be an assumption that dancers must feel that there are inequitable gender relations at their work. Is this true? Or, do some actually hold power at their jobs, especially over customers? I don't know. Certainly, the club management has some power over all employees, as in all jobs. Is this all bad? Or, is it bad only if management is poor?
There is a lot of bitterness toward the men in the biz or men in general, but probably no more than in a non stripping job.
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The assumption here is that use of music is always about fighting back. I am not so sure. Do you agree or disagree?
Fighting back?? No. Forcing your personal tastes on others, certainly.
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This implies that all dancers hate their jobs, their management and/or their customers. Is this the case?
See my answer to the first quote in this post;). We are talking human beings here, so there will never be a consensus. Even though George W. Bush is wildly unpopular right now, still 30%+ of americans support him totally. Ninety Million people is still a lot of people who support our president.