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Really seems like the biz is in decline
Everytime I go to a club it seems like it's less packed and guys are more reluctant to give up tips or buy dances. I'm not that old but I started going in the "golden years" of 1997-1999.
I don't think internet anything replaces the experience of going to see a real live girl. I don't seek out extras, I just like to go look and get some interaction with some pretty girls.
It's too clinical to just google something or buy the Playboy Cyber Club. I personally think it enhances my confidence with my g/f or getting one to go to a SC and spend some time and money on beautiful girls.
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I never get dances since I'm a DJ, but it is obvious that talking to a real woman, or getting dances from her, beats looking at pictures anyday.
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I do think the internet is letting some guys who normally wouldn't talk to a girl type at them though. Maybe even camera with them too. People can hang out on IM/web chats and find belonging and community there. So if someone feels the need to get in the crowd - they can just hop on the net. Like features on this web site - you can block out annoying and offensive people unlike clubs and bars.
Porn is easy to access. So there is the whole tittilation thing. I mean it isn't like most dancers want a customer to know who they are anyhow.
Then there is the whole money thing - which is getting harder and harder for everyone to come by. I don't care what the economic reports say - everyone I know is getting hit with stagnant wages, increased housing costs, and increasing energy costs. Some have just plain ole maxxed out their credit.
Personally - I don't like the over hustle and just about everyone (including some sleezy guy in the bathroom) having their hand out waiting for some money.
Plus, I think the baby boomer generation - the one's that do have the money - are starting to enter that part of their life where pretty naked girls take a second place to thoughts of retirement, disappearing pensions, SS "reform" - etc.
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Originally Posted by Djoser
I never get dances since I'm a DJ, but it is obvious that talking to a real woman, or getting dances from her, beats looking at pictures anyday.
Ya gotta admit the conversations are going to be a bit more indepth and honest with ya though eh?
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Oh, you mean my conversations at work? I suppose so, yes, lol--but I was referring to just the idea of looking at pictures and talking to a real woman, comparatively speaking, for anyone.
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Originally Posted by itsthatguy
Everytime I go to a club it seems like it's less packed and guys are more reluctant to give up tips or buy dances. I'm not that old but I started going in the "golden years" of 1997-1999.
You'd hear much the same sort of thing if you talked to, say, a recreational boat saleman or someone who makes customized fine jewelry, etc. The late 90's were the period when the stock market was "creating wealth" faster than at any time in recorded history, and money was flowing from it into every corner of the economy. It was the time whem more people had more money to spend on luxury items than any other since (or before, for the most part). Other things, such as internet sexual entertainment and aging customer populations, may also be playing a role, but I suspect that the general economic factors are the biggest effect.
If so, the good news is that a strong/hot economy will come back eventually, and the bad news is that there is not much the SC industry can do but wait for it to do so.
-Ww
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Originally Posted by Wwanderer
You'd hear much the same sort of thing if you talked to, say, a recreational boat saleman or someone who makes customized fine jewelry, etc. The late 90's were the period when the stock market was "creating wealth" faster than at any time in recorded history, and money was flowing from it into every corner of the economy. It was the time whem more people had more money to spend on luxury items than any other since (or before, for the most part). Other things, such as internet sexual entertainment and aging customer populations, may also be playing a role, but I suspect that the general economic factors are the biggest effect.
If so, the good news is that a strong/hot economy will come back eventually, and the bad news is that there is not much the SC industry can do but wait for it to do so.
-Ww
For a lot of providers of luxury goods - bespoke jewelry makers or high end escorts - the money now is better than it was in the late nineties; it's just highly concentrated in the hands of fewer people with the end result the same or greater.
I think it's a question of societal and cultural mores. Seeing naked women gyrate just really isn't that novel or exciting anymore for a lot of people.
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Modern day strippers effectively sell two products, tittlilation and companionship. In recent years, with the advent of cheap if not free internet porn, men's magazines (including non-nude ones like Maxim), and attractive female celebrities commonly posing in barely there attire, the profitability of the tittliation aspect of being a stripper has most certainly dwindled.
The companionship aspect however hasn't dwindled that much IMO. There are as many lonely men in the world as ever, which is why its not all that uncommon in SC's to see girls with less than perfect appearance sometimes outearning their knockout counterparts. Its also why the line between dancers and escorts is gradually becoming more blurred.
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Originally Posted by Deogol
I do think the internet is letting some guys who normally wouldn't talk to a girl type at them though. Maybe even camera with them too. People can hang out on IM/web chats and find belonging and community there. So if someone feels the need to get in the crowd - they can just hop on the net. Like features on this web site - you can block out annoying and offensive people unlike clubs and bars.
Porn is easy to access. So there is the whole tittilation thing. I mean it isn't like most dancers want a customer to know who they are anyhow.
Then there is the whole money thing - which is getting harder and harder for everyone to come by. I don't care what the economic reports say - everyone I know is getting hit with stagnant wages, increased housing costs, and increasing energy costs. Some have just plain ole maxxed out their credit.
Personally - I don't like the over hustle and just about everyone (including some sleezy guy in the bathroom) having their hand out waiting for some money.
Plus, I think the baby boomer generation - the one's that do have the money - are starting to enter that part of their life where pretty naked girls take a second place to thoughts of retirement, disappearing pensions, SS "reform" - etc.
wow i agree with this 100%
it's mostly what i have been thinking lately myself
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When it's a choice of buying gas to get home or buying a pitcher of beer & a lap dance, guess which usually wins out? :-\
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I have no idea if there is any useful lesson in it for the US SC industry, but in Japan the commercial sex scene offers a huge, mindboggling extensive diversity of different types of "adult entertainment". It is amazingly creative; you'd have a hard time even thinking up some variation that hasn't been tried, and most are still available. And they offer titilation, companionship and "full satisfaction" (bringing the customer to orgasm) in just about every possible combination, mode and style. In the US, outside a few big ciities (esp SF), the selection is basically limited to SCs, MPs (massage parlours, usually staffed by asian women) and outright incall brothels. This diversity probably makes the overall industry more secure against changes in tastes and fads and so forth, although it all seems to go up and down with the overall economy...just like here.
Btw, there is also a claim/analysis that all forms of entertainment (from reading to bungie jumping) are becoming less popular because there is a steady stream of new activities becoming available, and people have no more time or money, less in many cases, for recreation than previously.
-Ww
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Ww, you so smart. I just want to lick you!
Deogal is dead on.
The problem with the current generation is that they spend till it's not there anymore and over-extended which generally burns them out quicker, finds them in heavier piles of debt, and less likley to recover.
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Originally Posted by Mastridonicus
Ww, you so smart. I just want to lick you!
Uhhh, thanks...I guess.
-Ww
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hahah it's no big deal man, I just find your posts insightful and so many times I want to comment but fail to provide something in conjunction to what you say with equal worth. So... I get awestruck. :D
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Originally Posted by Mastridonicus
hahah it's no big deal man, I just find your posts insightful and so many times I want to comment but fail to provide something in conjunction to what you say with equal worth. So... I get awestruck. :D
Cut it out, guy...now you got me blushing. ;)
(And I was trying, not to successfully, to be humorous in my previous post too.)
-Ww
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^^^ Who's that? (I am very ignorant of much popular culture.)
-Ww
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Originally Posted by Mastridonicus
My mom. :D
How many rabbits does your next door neighbor have?
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Flux, yes. Decline? no.
Our entire lifestyle is changing. The way everyone lives and works is changing at pretty rapid clip. Sort of like how our society went from agricultural to industrial to service based economy. Stripping as a business is not exempt to societial changes.
The biggest untapped resource in stripping today is the female clientele. These ladies (who are usually straight) are wanting to spend on the female stripper. But the clubs are still slanted to a male clientele. Even the places that have "ladies" night and whatnot.
Women want to learn how to pole dance and dance strip tease style. They pay big bucks to learn how to do that. They will visit clubs enmasse to learn new pole tricks and be impresed with the performance of the girls on stage. The "guy only" clubs are becoming more and more brothel like in their atmosphere.
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I think that there are more clubs, so the customer count when dividing among all these club result in lower customer count. Who knows what's going on. Could dancing be losing it's allure and becoming too commercial where it's ok now just to come and watch?
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Originally Posted by oceanside
I think that there are more clubs, so the customer count when dividing among all these club result in lower customer count. Who knows what's going on. Could dancing be losing it's allure and becoming too commercial where it's ok now just to come and watch?
Yes, I think stripping is now VERY commercial.
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This whole discussion makes me wonder more than ever if someone could win big time by introducing some new variety of commercial sex establishment in the US, something along the lines of all the creative options/variations that exist in Japan (as mentioned above). You'd want something that would be legal, or no more illegal than lap dancing, but interesting/novel enough to be a fad. Hmmmm....
-Ww
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Originally Posted by Wwanderer
^^^ Who's that? (I am very ignorant of much popular culture.)
-Ww
Renee Zellweger. She of "Me, myself and Irene", "Jerry Maguire" and "Bridget Jones" fame. When she's a little chubby she gets me so excited I could drive nails through titanium with uh, you know.
If you read my trip report after a few times in the club I go to you can already have a
sort of entertainer/entertained relationship with the girls there. A lot of nights it's slow and you buy them drinks and get to see them as the human beings that they are.
I know it's only an "In the club" thing but I enjoy it, I enjoy watching them make money when they're not dancing for me, I enjoy the whole hustle. Really. I'm a little messed up that way. It's something that's refreshingly honest to me.
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It may be a regional thing. Certainly here in the rust belt midwest, there are fewer $25 an hour workers who have the disgressionary income to drop hundreds at the club without unduly impacting their family finances. At both my old club and current hang out, the reduced number of guys who can spend seriously get flocked the moment they walk in the door.
I imagine there are many areas in the US where the champagne is still flowing. I hope their good fortune continues. But at the risk of sounding poo'ish I suspect at some point even those custies who are employed in historically insulated and protected industries may find their high paying jobs threatened or possibly outsourced. If and when that happens, Im not sure what the dancers are going to do. And that sucks.
FBR