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Do White Dancer Make More Cash$$ That Blk.dancer??
It seems that at my club & many other clubs in & aruond miami. there really isnt a big demand for black dancers ( unfortunletly ),, at my club we have a bunch of new girls coming in every week looking for work & just about all of them are black, ive spoken to a few of them and they say that clients dont really like them compared to the white dancers( i was shocked) , but i have noticed the black dancer at my club come & go alot & many of them complain that they didnt make any money while most of the white girls $$banked that night., /// has anybody noticed this in there club.?? do you think theres a smaller demand or market for black dancer/entertainers than for white dancers? do the black dancers in your club make less$$ that the other girls?? i just recently noticed this at my job & its kinda freaking me out. ( its unfortunet & very sad if thats the case) thanks everybody for reading my post. huggg-kisses & godbless you all. (MADAM-LIZZ)
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Black dancers in my club Bank, quite a bit. Unless they're sitting at the bar with a bored look on their face like we all do sometimes on bad nights or PMS time, they do very very well!!! Maybe they're not hustling, maybe they're expecting the money to just come to them, they have to work for it like everyone else. There are a few dancers that I think Bank because of a certain look but most dancers regardless of race, have to hustle for it. My opinions & observations.
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I think it all depends on the way they come off to people, ie attitude, etc.
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the girls with the top 3 bank....
1. attitude
2. sales skills
3. attractiveness (definitely relative, but we kind of have an idea how we fit in here and race is not a factor)
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The highest earning dancers I know are black.
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Well I'm black working at a mostly-white club and I've noticed that there's a pretty big difference in the amount of money the black girls make versus how much the white girls make.
HOWEVER, the other black girls usually come in with a pretty pessimistic attitude and I'm new so I'm still learning. So I'm not really sure if it's a race thing.
Emily makes a really good point. I do pretty well for a total newbie because I've been told I have a really good personality, and I'm pretty sure I'm attractive. What's lacking for me is salesmanship. I'm pretty sure if I were as seasoned as some of the white girls, I'd be making as much.
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Sorry, but I don't believe "most of the white girls bank". Because of the 80/20 rule most of the white girls don't bank but 20% do. Where is this magical club of which you speak?
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One of the top earners at my club is black. The other black girls at my club are just like the white girls when it comes to money... some bank, some don't, and we all have good nights and bad nights.
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i think it depends on the area you work in, but also think -many- girls use it as an excuse. just as many white and black girls alike use "i'm too old", "i'm too young", "i'm too smart", "i'm too..etc. etc." excuses. i've known black dancers that bank at my club and 90% of the customers at my club are white. also, i'm not saying you do, but if a dancer goes into a shift with an attitude that they arent going to make any money because they're black, they probably won't make much, but it will be because of their attitude. that's not exactly a good money making strategy. of course, i'm not going to be 100% optomistic and say racisim doesnt effect this industry, i'm sure it does, i know it does, i just think it's not as big of an issue as other factors. besides, many men are judgemental and picky about who they dance with anyway. you can get rejected because of yuur tit size, hair color, weight (too thin OR too big), height, etc.
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A lot of things come into factor in why black girls can have a difficult time at some clubs. Attitude, looks, hustle skills, come into play. Some clubs are harder to make money because it may not have the demographic and clientel. At most clubs too many black girls on a shift could also make it harder to make money. For the most part, yes, most black girls will have a much more difficult time earning money. There are many threads on this topic, so I will not go into great detail.
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I think in general black men and white men have different perceptions of beauty. For the white male 18-40 there is Maxim ,FHM etc... for the black men there is Smooth, King. etc. Now of course there are a few beauties who transcend color to most ( Halle Berry, Angelina Jolie for example) but all in all black and white men DO have different standards of beauty, it's a fact. The point is if your attractive enough and have good personality and hustle you CAN get a customer to cross his line but let's not pretand the line isn't there.
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I guess it all depends on you. and where you go. If you go to a club with mostly black girls, a few white girls, the minority is not in your favor. men want what they cant have. If you are at a club with a lot of white girls and there are only a couple black girls then you will probally bank. Also look at who goes to the club, who is getting dances from the white girls, who is getting dances from the black ones. look at the area the club is in, whats the standards there? you may find a better club for you in another area. What it all boils down to is your attitude, and ALWAYS REMEMBER.... Black, white, yellow, red.... the one thing we all have in common is ... ALL PUSSY IS PINK! hope that wasnt offensive.... its the truth!
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Originally Posted by Pure
I think in general black men and white men have different perceptions of beauty. For the white male 18-40 there is Maxim ,FHM etc... for the black men there is Smooth, King. etc. Now of course there are a few beauties who transcend color to most ( Halle Berry, Angelina Jolie for example) but all in all black and white men DO have different standards of beauty, it's a fact. The point is if your attractive enough and have good personality and hustle you CAN get a customer to cross his line but let's not pretand the line isn't there.
Agreed.
Roxi wrote that maybe a white dancer in a black club wouldn't bank- I've seen the exact opposite. As long as she can move well with the music, lots of black guys will spend money.
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Yeah, I don't think I would do as well in a mostly black club because I don't have the 'standard' body type for that. I'm 95 lbs with 33 inch hips, not exactly music video material. Most of the white girls at my club have more booty than I have, haha. But I do well with my body and get lots of compliments on its tone. But yeah, I worked one night at a hip hop club and got all of 2 dances.
So race didn't play a factor there. It was personality and physical appearance -- and I just didn't have the body type the guys at this club were into.
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Hmm I definitely understand what you mean and agree- but not all black men like only 'thick' dancers.
I work at a mostly black club and our dancers range from hardbodies/gym bunnies to...well, you know. (lol) And any of the dancers there who can hustle will make money if the guys are willing.
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Originally Posted by PleasureVictim
Hmm I definitely understand what you mean and agree- but not all black men like only 'thick' dancers.
I work at a mostly black club and our dancers range from hardbodies/gym bunnies to...well, you know. (lol) And any of the dancers there who can hustle will make money if the guys are willing.
Haha, true. Also I forgot to throw in the fact that the club was in a different city and it required pasties being worn. Coming from a topless club, this was ridiculous to me. And I found that since the girls had to cover their nipples and wear full backs, they did a lot more than just dance; they would expose themselves to get dances. Yeah, I'm not about to do that. But yeah, most of the black guys I met there were just kind of like, "Damn girl, eat a sammich." LOL.
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I would like to respond to a few things:
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Originally Posted by coco222
This is real life in America! Where opportunities are limitless and often not restricted or limited based on a person's race. While men, and people in general have preferences in regards to what they are attracted to, a person's level success is often affected by other factors, the least of which is race. Let's talk about drive, motivation, talent, ambition.
I do not want to minimize, downplay, deny, or ignore the fact that racism is very real, however, this is not 1960.
By you stating the above statement, you are downplaying racism. This may not be 1960 but racism is still alive and well. Believe it. Just because we are no longer called "nigger" or "boy" or "gal" doesn't mean the feelings aren't there anymore. Sometimes, race is the ONLY factor that limits success.
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Originally Posted by coco222
NO there is not a smaller demand or market for women or color. It's simply a matter or preference. There are great place for women of color and other women of color other than Miami. There are some clubs in Atlanta where you would not even be hired as a waitress or to take the trash out.
There is a smaller demand for women of color. Most of the country is white. Most of the white men prefer white women. Thus less demand for women of color. It's as simple as that.
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Clients don't tell women of color that they don't like them compared to caucasian women. That's just plain ignorant.
I have personally had this happen to me quite a few times in my 4 years of dancing. I was told "I don't like black girls but my friend does, ask him for a dance". Ignorace runs rampant...
I know there are men that will not buy dances from a black dancer PERIOD. She could be halle Berry and they would pass.
As a matter of fact, I called up to a club just 2 days a go to ask a couple of questions and the manager asked me what race I was. When I told him I was black he said he probably couldn't use me on dayshift because he only puts 3 black girls per dayshift. I understand that because it is a white club and the dayshift there is mostly white. At night, the clientel is a bit more diverse and so are the dancers. That's how things work.
Black dancers can make as much money as any other dancer if they have the right additude and hustle. Of course some guys may not be interested in black dancers but then again, some guys may not be interested in redheads or short girls or girls with fake tits or whatever. It IS a matter of preference and that preference may just be race. That's not so farfetched, is it?
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^^^^Wow remind me not to go where you are then... that's insane...
Yeah, everyone has their own preference... SOMETIMES race is part of that. But man, Ive seen black girls bank, white girls bank, asian girls bank, and so on... Where I live, black girls do real good. With white guys, mostly. Hell even I've seen white guys tell white dancers that they'd rather get a dance from a black girl, and I've seen black men do just the opposite. Yes, racism exists, but it exists for all colors, these days. There are plenty of people out there who are racist against whites, just as much as there are a gainst everyone else... the majority of the racism I see these days ia against Middle Easterners and Indians anymore.
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^^^ I completely agree. I was just pointing out to coco222 that there is racism in this industry.
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There is racism in every industry. I have to disagree that women of color are in less demand, however.
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If you look through a fashion magazine, how many models are women of colour? Playboy? Penthouse? Any generic porn mag? There is a constructed standard of beauty, and yes, it is caucasion. This generally means that women of colour can a) pursue a niche market or b) be better than non-caucasion, frequently (but not always) for less money. So, essentially, women of colour have to work harder.
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THANK YOU COCO222!!! completly agree with u!
theres a group of black girls at my club that sit in the back all day and complain about not making money. i overheard one of them saying "well i cant be white with blonde hair so im not gonna make any money today"...no ur not with that attitude! if one thinks she is not making money because of her race, then she needs to go to a different club or something...not dwell over it.
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Well, I hope not to downplay the race issue, as I'm in no position to judge, but I think that the farther from 'blond with big tits' anyone gets, the harder they have to work. This industry isn't based upon fairness and equality- it's based upon looks and sales skills.
Black girls CAN bank here, because they are rare. But, at the same time, the agents will rarely book 2 black girls at the same club. I don't know the exact rationale- it could be to 'spread the love' (ie black girls are so in demand, no one club gets to hog 2 of them), or it could be because two black girls would be considered 'too much' for our mostly white & asian clientele. I don't know.
But I think an attractive black dancer with a nice body (black girls often seem to have incredible bodies- it's genetic!) will have an easier time than a skinny white girl (ahem!), all else being equal.
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Originally Posted by Jenny
If you look through a fashion magazine, how many models are women of colour? Playboy? Penthouse? Any generic porn mag? There is a constructed standard of beauty, and yes, it is caucasion. This generally means that women of colour can a) pursue a niche market or b) be better than non-caucasion, frequently (but not always) for less money. So, essentially, women of colour have to work harder.
Fashion mags have nothing to do with strip clubs. I have yet to see the men at strip clubs reading Cosmo.
Perhaps someone needs to do a nice study on the people who buy the magazines, and those who dont. I dont think there are less people who are into women of color, just less of them who want to buy the magazines.
And if you really look at the women who ARE in the magazines? Blonde. Tan. Now, the blonde part doesnt boggle me as much as "why would people who dont like women of color like tanned white women so much?"
I did Playboy online and I make crap money. That's all I have to say about that magazine...
As for generics.... lots of Asian Girls Next Door and Ebony Beauty generic porn mags. LOTS. Same with porn. Lots. Tons!
But that is neither here nor there. This is about strippers.
I dont see it. I really dont.
I see the black girls I work with do well. If they take care of themselves and actually try to dance and be social.
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black girls in my club bank!!!!! it may be because there r only 2 but they bank!!!! ive never bben to a club outside of my city either though...that might make a difference