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I've been reading the pink side again. :(
So, I am bored. There isn't much to do over here today after dissecting mr_punk's latest broadcast. So what do I do when I am feeling bored and stupid? I go read the pink side. I usually leave that endeavor depressed but, hey, I've got nothing else to do while my employees enjoy their smoke break.
So I see a thread called "a funny story" or some such. And I think, "Cool. I could use a humorous story." So I click in. I get to read this thread:
http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=70501
(I don't know if there is a rule about commenting on pinkie posts here. If so, apologies.) Anyway, I am struck speechless. And I am usually never speechless. ::)
THAT is funny? This is humor?? Moreover, this is a inspirational, building up story that dancers share with one another as a means of creating and facilitating positive feelings.
I mean, I know they hate us. I mean, I KNOW they HATE (!!!) us. AND, the guy is clearly not a winner. (We could argue all day as to the guy's level of culpability. I am sure some of us think he was wrong and others think it was totally acceptable.) Despite the fact that I, personally, think the guy is a total jerk, I do not, on any level, believe he deserved to be robbed. And, on top of being stupid enough to have his money taken by a stripper, she makes fun of him to twist the knife.
In my limited pinkie travels, I have seen many threads about the evils of custys and why do we insist on clinging to the idiotic stereotypes about dancers that we do. When I see this story, I really have to take back all of the credit I have issued them for wondering. If this is behavior worthy of celebration, then some responsibility must be shouldered for the jaded view of the average junkie I think.
Do I have a question? I dunno...I typed about 4-5 responses over there and deleted them before forcing myself to accept the fact that they don't care, they don't want to hear from me and they are really just looking for the next guy to rob because he might have the poor taste to politely ask for what we wants and be willing to pay for it. So, lacking any clear, definable query, I will just categorize this as a "pinkie-style" rant. I definitely HAVE to stop reading the threads over there.
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I told her it wasn't a smart thing to do (also, I think it was wrong), and I'm sure I'm not the only one who would say so. Now you know how some of the dancers feel reading some of the threads over here . . .
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Well, there is a rule about commenting on pinkie posts here. In this case, however, I agree with your assessment. As a hypothetical (like "you know what would be funny?") it is funny. Actually doing it, not so much. And I agree that robbing guys is way worse than propositioning girls. In my experience there is never more than 1 (or 2) girls in a club that act like that, and everyone else hates them. Bouncers hate them (and I doubt the story simply because I've never met a bouncer who would back that up. Ever. Or one that actually likes the kind of girl that pulls that crap.) And it's a good way to get every girl's car keyed, plus I think most people feel sort of intuitively that it is not a right way to behave.
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Where else can ROBs brag about their exploits but the Pink Side?
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Originally Posted by GenWar
THAT is funny? This is humor?? Moreover, this is a inspirational, building up story that dancers share with one another as a means of creating and facilitating positive feelings.
I don't know if I would go so far as to call it facilitating POSITIVE feelings. I would categorize it in with gossip. The ball player asked for what he wanted - which offended a stripper who is insecure in her role as a sexworker so, instead of nipping the negative energy in the bud, she abused the guy to make sure he knows she's not THAT kind of sexworker.
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I mean, I know they hate us. I mean, I KNOW they HATE (!!!) us.
Not all do. Some do, but don't take it personally. They will hate their customers only as much as they hate themselves for what they do. Again, the poor gal seems insecure being a sexworker.
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And, on top of being stupid enough to have his money taken by a stripper, she makes fun of him to twist the knife.
Spreading the poison of negative energy does not help them, it only drops them further into their own personal hell. They would be much better served by forgiving the poor lout for his insensitivity and own insecurity. She just one-upped him on the insecurity scale for boorish behavior.
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When I see this story, I really have to take back all of the credit I have issued them for wondering. If this is behavior worthy of celebration, then some responsibility must be shouldered for the jaded view of the average junkie I think.
Unfortunately yes, the poison of boorish behavior just leads to more. Don't try to argue against it - sympathize for those dire enough to engage in it.
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I think the rule only concerns the Ladies Only thread-not really sure though. In any event I think it's pointless to comment over here about threads on the pink side. Taking a pink side topic over here removes it entirely from it's intended context and audience.
I don't read most of the pink side anymore because I got tired of the three or four times a year ritual of certain ladies telling us to keep our testoterone laden noses out of their sandbox. Most of the time they had a point but, until they restrict it, guys are gonna do what guys are gonna do and the argument gets tired after a while.
Gen, you can do whatever you like but I can't understand why, if you find it so frustrating over there, you continue to read the stuff. When I get really bored I go onto TUSCL...
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We don't all hate the customers. I agree with you, it was a shitty thing to do.
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Here is a story that will warm your blue little hearts: While dancing in Indiana, I had an older, really drunk guy offer me five grand to leave the club with him. Dude pulled the cash out of his pocket and showed it to me. After telling him 1) That I was flattered and 2) That he should never have to pay 5K to get laid, I told him "Don't flash that much cash. Show it to the wrong girl and you never know who will be waiting for you outside."
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So what do I do when I am feeling bored and stupid?
run out onto the expressway to dodge oncoming traffic?
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I go read the pink side.
oh, i was wrong. that's more like putting a shotgun in your mouth.
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I mean, I know they hate us. I mean, I KNOW they HATE (!!!) us.
why are you so worried about it?
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In my limited pinkie travels, I have seen many threads about the evils of custys and why do we insist on clinging to the idiotic stereotypes about dancers that we do. When I see this story, I really have to take back all of the credit I have issued them for wondering.
it sounds like you've finally stopped building pedestals and started figuring out that temple virgins can have feet of clay.
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I typed about 4-5 responses over there and deleted them before forcing myself to accept the fact that they don't care, they don't want to hear from me and they are really just looking for the next guy to rob because he might have the poor taste to politely ask for what we wants and be willing to pay for it.
sigh....what do you expect, Gen? whenever you guys tell the empress that she isn't wearing any clothes. they bitch slap you back down to CC. yet, many of you guys continue to think they want to hear anything from a customer other than the usual apple-polishing, obsequious and cheerleading responses. how many times must they bitch slap you guys before you get the message?
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Well, I don't know - I think Yek and Susan and I have already been all "Gen, we feel your pain." Could you generalize ANY more?
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Well, I don't know - I think Yek and Susan and I have already been all "Gen, we feel your pain." Could you generalize ANY more?
oh, stop wringing your hands. if the shoe doesn't fit don't worry about it.
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Gen - I told you reading that stuff was bad for your health.
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Mebbe. Being like I am requires a certain level of "willful suspension of disbelief." I have gotten fairly good at wrapping that self-denial around myself like a protective blanket at the right moments and then removing it to deal with the chill of reality at other moments. Still, I wasn't remotely prepared for the icy blast of that post.
of course, you weren't prepared. it amazes me how automatically some of you guys place these girls up on pedestals and they haven't done a damn thing to earn it. then when you do run across a weasel like this girl. you act all shocked and surprised that weasels exist in sc.
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I think that is one thing you never get...that there are those of us out there who hear your message, admit that you are right and still consciously choose to not follow your teachings. Yeah, I can see how that could be annoying.
actually, i'm not asking you to listen to me at all. i learned my lesson with MW. frankly, i enjoy watching you guys peeking down the barrel of a loaded shotgun. the only annoying part is after the shotgun fires. your headless body holds up this sign that says, "now, how did that happen?".
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oh, stop wringing your hands. if the shoe doesn't fit don't worry about it.
...he says after he tries to cram on our feet.
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Ya got me, Jay. Generalizing is generalizing and is just as unfair in all contexts. Still, go look at the thread again. I haven't checked but I will bet you a beer that there are additional posts supporting the original action. And it rankles that my status as a customer would render any otherwise lucid and valid comment invalid. Know what I mean?
I am actually surprised both the by number of people doing the internet high five, and by who some of them are. To me it seems simple, and doesn't really allow for a lot of differences in opinion - it is a scam, and stealing, and if you'll do that to one person, you'll do it to others. People like that are not trustworthy
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Gen, I dont think Pryce minds references back and forth between topics located in Pink or Blue as long as said references dont result in warfare. Blue quoting or linking to posts in LO isnt allowed. Dem's the rules from the guy who bankrolls this place as I understand them.
Now back to reading your post and the follow ups :)
FBR
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I mean, I know they hate us. I mean, I KNOW they HATE (!!!) us. -gen
these aren't my words, but I think it relates to the topic:
"think of dancers are predators. most of them are running game. if they sense naivete or weakness their killer instincts kick into overdrive. they'll see how much of your money they can get for the smallest expenditure of effort. so cut back on the giving or they'll use the new car you helped them buy to drive you to the poor house"(this is from another site that most will know)
OTOH, in a previous life when I consumed far too much alcohol to help facilitate "the willing supension of disbelief" I was frequently in no condition to count dances, money, drinks, etc. Not a single time was I overcharged by either dancers or waitresses, although I easily could have been. Not because they gave a shit about me, it's just good business practice. I seriously doubt the guy who got ripped off will be in a big hurry to return to that club, where he would have spent way more than the 350 he was ripped off. Wonder how much money the club, waitresses and dancers have lost over that incident.
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As stated previously, this type of thread can be dicey. Which means that the mods will be watching even though its Blue :-\
In thinking about it, its no huge revelation that a stripper might commit an act that the rank and file would consider a ROB. And its no big revelation that a custy would rip off a stripper given the opportunity. I dont remember the Latin quote exactly but in English both the buyer and the seller should beware.
FBR
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^ You're talking about caveat emptor, but that's not really appropriate in this context; this is outright theft, not a customer service issue.
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CO, I guess Im old and jaded but I dont get that shook up about it. Ive heard some pretty creative rip off stories from both directions and have had a few that were attempted on me. But I stand by my point that some custys can be just as ruthless. I have as little respect for guys who try to get something for nothing as I do for strippers who try to get something for nothing.
FBR
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One of the first rules of a con is that victims are always done in by their own greed. The prospect of getting something for nothing--or something they shouldn't get at all--makes them let their guard down. That's exactly what happened to the ball player in this example.
There's a dancer in my club who pulls this kind of stunt on a regular basis. Toward the end of her shift, she finds a customer and promises to go home with him if he pays her $300 up front. Then she slips out the back door and leaves him hanging in the wind. Another dancer--an honest one--told me about the scheme, but shrugged her shoulders as she described it: she viewed it as a lesson that teaches customers not to fall victim to their own greed.
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Please allow me to pontificate on this thread for a moment: I've been watching it for a bit now.
What that girl did to her customer was terribly, terribly WRONG. I agree. I do not approve of it in any way at all. (disclaimer)
Imagine, however that night after night, literally hundreds of men call you a whore, and you are not one. When someone asks you to have sex with them for money, they are calling you a whore, period. After a while, it grates on one's nerves, especially if someone won't take no for an answer. Was what she did right? No. It was simply a reaction from repressing all the rage that builds up after you are called a whore X number of times. It was just expressed in a bad way. It wasn't right at all, and it was a terrible thing to do - but some people just have bad coping skills. Some run this scheme knowingly, night after night, with no provocation, as stated earlier. *shrugs* Seems to me it was a one time deal on her part, and she was just P.O'ed. Not an excuse at all..... but I do understand how the temptation could get the better of her, esp. if it was a long night.
Anyhow, point of the post is, custies should know if a girl is a whore - she'll tell them. Don't insult us by asking us to be your whore. If we were turning tricks, we would tell you.
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Well... I dunno. I think you must have some pretty negative feelings about prostitutes if being made an offer (when we are, after all, in the sex industry) engenders rage enough to rob the customer. That goes beyond "I have nothing against, but I don't want to be one." Me, I find it IRRITATING when guys "call me a whore X times." Because I'm not making as much money, and they are saying no, and fuck - I hate that. I do. (Last night a guy actually calls me over to his table and asks me how much to sleep over. I narrowed my little stripper eyes at him and asked in a particularly bitchy way "Do you HONESTLY think you could POSSIBLY afford it?" He said I should give him a shot and to name a figure. I said that he misunderstood - that I would SEE to it that he COULDN'T possible afford it.) I was irritated. I was having (until midnight) a bad night (that was a LOT of bad hours). Guys like that can piss me off because they are inconveniencing me - not because being (indirectly) called a whore is so infuriating. All girls - all people - understand being pissed off, and behaving uncharacteristically because of it. But she didn't come here saying that "God, I got so mad, that I did something I shouldn't have." She (evidently) thought that it was a positive or at least morally neutral thing to do. I get what you are saying - that sometimes girls might respond out of anger, and do bad things and feel bad. That is not the case reported here. In fact the thread was titled "Random funny story" - it was not put under "stripper hall of shame."
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I think you must have some pretty negative feelings about prostitutes if being made an offer (when we are, after all, in the sex industry) engenders rage enough to rob the customer.
Exactly. The degree of faux indignation from dancers on this issue, the crass and uncouth propositioning of too many hopeful johns notwithstanding, is just galling.
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The prospect of getting something for nothing--or something they shouldn't get at all--makes them let their guard down. That's exactly what happened to the ball player in this example.
sure. the fact that he asked for sex doesn't bother me in the freaking least. gimme a break. a customer asking a sex worker for sex in no way mitigates her ripping him off. anyway, what was really stupid of him was giving the money to the stripper beforehand. i never give money to a sex worker until after services are rendered. if she proves herself trustworthy. well, it's no problem to ask for it beforehand.
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Anyhow, point of the post is, custies should know if a girl is a whore - she'll tell them. Don't insult us by asking us to be your whore. If we were turning tricks, we would tell you.
so, let's recap...a stripper takes off her clothes, dry humps on a customer's cock, among other things, until he's close to popping in his pants. he asks her for sex. gee, i wonder what made him ask that question? seriously, if a sex worker working in the sex industry is that offended by a question about a sexual service that another sex worker offers. perhaps, she shouldn't be working in the sex industry. don't get me wrong, i'm not asking anyone to comply or even offer sex. if he won't take no for an answer. well, that's a different story. however, if you think that's some sort of mitigating circumstance for being a weasel...think again.
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so, let's recap...a stripper takes off her clothes, dry humps on a customer's cock, among other things, until he's close to popping in his pants. he asks her for sex. gee, i wonder what made him ask that question? seriously, if a sex worker working in the sex industry is that offended by a question about a sexual service that another sex worker offers. perhaps, she shouldn't be working in the sex industry. don't get me wrong, i'm not asking anyone to comply or even offer sex. if he won't take no for an answer. well, that's a different story. however, if you think that's some sort of mitigating circumstance for being a weasel...think again.
Oh my god, we're back to this. Dude if there were no differences in sexual services you would have no preference between the stripper dry humping you and the stripper fucking you/blowing you/whatever. Different sex workers provide (as a default at least) DIFFERENT sexual services. Doms and phone sex operators are sex workers too - they don't do lapdances and they don't fuck you. You might as well be saying there is no difference between cats and dogs - they are both mammals. Why shouldn't you get a cat that you want to train to bark? Because it's a cat! The dog is RIGHT THERE! Just get the freaking dog!