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hahahaha, thought id be the first to point out how there is almost 30 views and not one post..
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You could do a little bit of both...do a search in hustle hut. Don't worry to much on what to do in VIP, it's more important to focus on HOW TO get someone to take you in there..
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There are 2 kinds of VIPs. One where the customer tries to grab and molest you because he "paid all that money." The other where the customer wants to cuddle and talk, perhaps do a few dances. This kind of VIP feels like a date to him more than anything else. He's paying for the girlfriend experience.
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Just dance and be nice babe. Just get them there. Chris Rock said there is no sex in the VIP rooms and he was not lying.
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Originally Posted by Sauske
hahahaha, thought id be the first to point out how there is almost 30 views and not one post..
Based on other posts, I assumed that this lady had it figured out.
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In other words, do what everybody else does: tell the customer that it is a lot more private in there, the bouncers and waitresses don't come by so often, you and he can relax a lot more, that it is a lot nicer in there, and then do the exact same dance you would have done out on the floor.
Chris Rock is a prophet.
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I used to work at a club in SC and the V.I.P at this club offers champagne (I hope I spelled that right)and the girls went buck wild with the man - sex and drinking. I understand V.I.P stands for 'Very Important Person or People', but is it that important to have sex with the person?
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It depends on the club, I think. It's all fine and good if it's the tyoe of club where you don't have to deal with extras going on left and right. At my home club I will go in VIP b/c it's well lit and not as private- so the girls don't get too crazy. At the other club it's pitch dark- it costs more to go in there, and I'd look like Mary Freakin Poppins doing my normal dance while the girls next to me are doing the dirt. I don't even bother trying to get most customers in there unless they are the sit and talk variety.
If it's the accepted norm at the club that people go back there and do more than dance, you are going to have a hard time. However, there are always the good guys who are not going to expect that stuff. It all depends on the club. I agree with the above advice- don't promise anything you can't or won't do, and negotiate beforehand unless the price is already set. Good luck.
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In my club VIP is big bucks. From what I understand from the dancers, you have to figure out a way to make it more intimate in order to justify the extra money without exceeding you personal boundaries. My fave allows a little more touching than is usual in LD's but for the most part just schmoozes the guy. The half hour is over pretty quick.
FBR
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It depends on what you have in the vip. At my club we have video games, couches, darts, a tv, and a hot tube. Never been in a vip that didn't at least have a hot tube. Once a guy was throwing a partying in vip, and he paid a girl 1000 bucks to get in the hot tube, and let him and his freinds give her a bath. She went and got soap, and rags and everthing. If you're at a club that isn't on the up and up they want you to do sex acts. Bj etc. I honestly don't like vip. I don't think it's safe.
But some of them just want you all to themselves, to talk, or cuddle. Once a guy took two girls back there, and they all just went to sleep. He asked me, but I was thought it was a trick. Went back there later for some reason, and they were all knocked out.
Un amore per sempre
-Rayna Skye
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i usually allow a little more contact and use the big couch thats in there to kinda crawl all over him? lol.. also theres usually a chair and i do a little show on that while he sits on the couch and watches (i.e. PRETEND to touch my pussy and rub nipples). CK is right though..its not WHAT you do once your in there is HOW you get them to take you in there. lol good luck!
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Thanks, I have stripped for a while, but we just have the private dances and all that, not an acutal seperate room, so I was just wondering what customers expect, I don't want to get back there and them get mad because I'm not giving them waht they want. You know, just trying to be prepared, always helps. Thanks for the tips girls
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I recently had my first experience in the VIP at my club. The customer was very grabby and stuff, but I noticed that if I moan a little and talk slightly dirty to them while doing the dance, they actually think they are getting more than they are. So the next time you go in to do a dance distract them by rubbing on their chest and looking into their eyes and telling them what you think they want to hear. I almost guarantee (unless he's a real asshole) that he will come out of there like he's had the best dance ever!
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Just dance and be nice babe. Just get them there. Chris Rock said there is no sex in the VIP rooms and he was not lying.
Rules are made to be broken. ;D
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I really dislike doing VIP shows :P . I don't like it that I actually make less doing the VIP than if I spent the same 30 minutes doing lap dances on the floor. Most clubs take a bigger cut of the dancer's income for VIP then they do for floor dances.
The customer's expect to get so much more action (meaning extra's) in VIP, that I try not to work in clubs with VIP rooms.
If a customer wants to go into VIP, I won't turn him down. I usually will sit and chat with him for a couple of songs. Order drinks from the waitress. Then do some dances. Sit and drink some more, do a few more dances. After the 30-60 minutes is over ask him if he would like to stay a while longer.
If the guy is really just intertested in getting a bunch of dances in a row, I'll encourage him to just find a nice booth along the wall, instead.
Here's the math for the club that I most recently worked at with a VIP area:
30 minute VIP cost to the customer: $150 (they advertized this price ::) )
House takes $50 dancer keeps $100
30 minutes is 10 songs
10 songs on the floor is $250, house takes $50. I make double the money just doing lap dances. I've got no incentive to want to sell the VIP.
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I try to get VIPs whenever I can, but I don't get them too often because they are $600 per half hour (15 songs at $40 per song). The problem is, most customers assume there is sex involved because the price is so high, but in reality, he's just getting the same price as if he got 15 normal dances. There are extras girls in my club, but girls are very discreet about it and you never really know who is doing them because it's dark and most girls use the club as a connection for hooking up private shows. That makes it even harder to do clean dances.
The even BIGGER problem is that I only get to keep half of all my money, even VIP. The only difference between a VIP sale and 15 dances is that I am guaranteed the money, and the customer and I get more privacy.
I find that the guys who want to pay for $600 of my time are usually pretty respectful. I never let on that I'll have sex with them because I won't....but they get more of a show - I'll usually play with myself to avoid touching him, and no one has had a problem with this yet. You can tell when a guy asks for VIP because he wants extras, and if they want something I can't provide, I direct them toward someone else who can better suit their needs, or try to offer them what I can. I'm sorry but I'm not giving a blowjob for $300. Some girls will, and that's their choice.
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Originally Posted by AlexxaHex
I try to get VIPs whenever I can, but I don't get them too often because they are $600 per half hour (15 songs at $40 per song). The problem is, most customers assume there is sex involved because the price is so high, but in reality, he's just getting the same price as if he got 15 normal dances.
Okay, If I worked at your club I'd try a little harder to sell VIP then. ;)
Even if the club keeps half of that, it is still worth it to me. especially if all you have to do is play with yourself for the half hour }:D .
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I think you need to research the club/clubs you plan on auditioning at and maybe go in as a customer- and ask around . Talk to the club manager and/or owner you start working for and use your better judgement. Some clubs look the other way to allow some real nasty shit 'because the customer is paying'. You'll never really know unless you're in there to see for yourself. Always find out the rules first... don't wanna embarrass yourself. :)
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Originally Posted by IronManXXX
Rules are made to be broken. ;D
No they're not.... period. Especialy not in this case.
No sex, it's illegal, and not to mention gross. We don't know where these guys have been and they don't know where we've been. I've bent rules before, but the "no sex" thing has never been bent even a little. The only place where you can legaly get sex for money is in a bordello.
It's not worth going to jail, it's not worth the risk of STD, it's not worth pregnancy, it's not worth the money.
Maybe I'm just a totaly clean dancer, and maybe that's why I don't make as much money as the high roller girls (maybe), but I don't understand why more of you are not outraged that girls do this! I've got my health, my family, my pride to live with. I see a girl breaking the "no sex" rule and I'm imideately(sp?) in the office raising hell! I'm not going to jail over what some other whore girl is doing. Yes, I'm a snitch. Fuck that.
Now don't take this as I'm against protitutes, I'm not (here's a difference between a protitute and a whore) When done cleanly and LEGALLY it's a wonderful buisness that'll make you tons of $$.
It's just not fair for us legit girls that other girls totally cheat at "the game". "The game" is a fantasy, not a reality. Girls who break the "no sex" rule give dancers a bad name and, I personaly, am sick to death of it. I'm also sick of customers that say "well I did <insert sex act here> with so-and-so." SO! I DON'T!! GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEAD AND QUIT WASTING MY TIME!!! Just because I hear from some guy that some other girl did, will not make me change my mind... duh...
now, on the actual subject of this thread:
I'm big on eye contact and running my nails along the back of the neck, breathing in the ears, soft moans, slow movements, and softly kissing the face near the eyes or right along the jaw line. Some guys also like their nipples tweeked (you'll find out if he does or not the first time you try it), and I'll grip their legs hard or run my hands up and down their legs and chest a lot. Some guys really dig it when I stradle them, grab them by the shirt and yank them up to my face while I grind... but then again I have a few customers who love to be slapped and kneed while I give a dance too. hehehe I should chage more for man-handleing LOL
Lap dances are VIPs in my club. Table dances are no contact and done infront of everyone. VIPs are done in a long room with a row of love seats and it dimmly lit. Much more privacy, full contact, and more expensive.
My problem with VIPs are that I get repedative, but most guys/chicks don't seem to care much as long as I'm keeping him/her interested. My usual "trick" is to get them talking and still "kinda" dance half-heartedly while we have our conversation. If things go well I can stop dancing all together and just sit and cuddle with him/her.
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No they're not.... period. Especialy not in this case.
No sex, it's illegal, and not to mention gross. We don't know where these guys have been and they don't know where we've been. I've bent rules before, but the "no sex" thing has never been bent even a little. The only place where you can legaly get sex for money is in a bordello.
It's not worth going to jail, it's not worth the risk of STD, it's not worth pregnancy, it's not worth the money.
Maybe I'm just a totaly clean dancer, and maybe that's why I don't make as much money as the high roller girls (maybe), but I don't understand why more of you are not outraged that girls do this! I've got my health, my family, my pride to live with. I see a girl breaking the "no sex" rule and I'm imideately(sp?) in the office raising hell! I'm not going to jail over what some other whore girl is doing. Yes, I'm a snitch. Fuck that.
Now don't take this as I'm against protitutes, I'm not (here's a difference between a protitute and a whore) When done cleanly and LEGALLY it's a wonderful buisness that'll make you tons of $$.
You probably already know that stripping is a sales game, and perhaps a lot of your high rollers are just good salespeople. I know a lot of girls that make bank in my club that don't do extras, and there are extras girls to compete with. They exist, and there is nothing you can do to stop them from doing what they want to do. Whether they are in your club, or you snitch on them and they get fired and end up working at the club down the street. They are not going to stop. For that reason, there is no reason for me, personally to be outraged. Spending time getting myself all worked up about it isn't going to make me any more money. I'm just going to spend my time working on my own hustle.
It seems as though your opinions here somewhat contradict each other. On one hand, you're saying that prostitution is disgusting and gross and there are a lot of issues that come with it. That is one valid opinion. But then you go on to say you don't have anything against them and it's a wonderful business where you can make a lot of money. In your opinion, then, when or where should it exist and when does it become something positive? Is prostitution automatically nasty to you because it's done or propositioned within a strip club? And what is exactly the difference between a prostitute and a whore?
I'm sorry if it seems like I'm flaming you here but I am really curious to know what you mean by what you said. Your opinion is valid, but it seems like some of them contradict and I'd appreciate it if you would clarify.
Oh, and Paris, I don't really have to play with myself too much...lol...it's so dark he can't really see what's going on anyway. Just a suggested thing can work just as well. Most of my VIP custys have been pleased with talking mixed with dancing.
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Originally Posted by AlexxaHex
You probably already know that stripping is a sales game, and perhaps a lot of your high rollers are just good salespeople. I know a lot of girls that make bank in my club that don't do extras, and there are extras girls to compete with. They exist, and there is nothing you can do to stop them from doing what they want to do. Whether they are in your club, or you snitch on them and they get fired and end up working at the club down the street. They are not going to stop. For that reason, there is no reason for me, personally to be outraged. Spending time getting myself all worked up about it isn't going to make me any more money. I'm just going to spend my time working on my own hustle.
It seems as though your opinions here somewhat contradict each other. On one hand, you're saying that prostitution is disgusting and gross and there are a lot of issues that come with it. That is one valid opinion. But then you go on to say you don't have anything against them and it's a wonderful business where you can make a lot of money. In your opinion, then, when or where should it exist and when does it become something positive? Is prostitution automatically nasty to you because it's done or propositioned within a strip club? And what is exactly the difference between a prostitute and a whore?
I'm sorry if it seems like I'm flaming you here but I am really curious to know what you mean by what you said. Your opinion is valid, but it seems like some of them contradict and I'd appreciate it if you would clarify.
I'd rather them get fired and work down the street. Not in my club. If they're gonna play dirty they can go play dirty somewhere else.
Girls who are "dancers" that are doing more then dancing hurt my money, they steal my customers, and give the club, the other girls and the rest of the industry a bad name! I don't know how it is out where you are, but here in Ohio if one girl gets caught by a cop all the other girls that are working that night get arrested too. I'm not going to jail for some bitch's stupid, desperate attempt for money.
Prostitution is illegal out here so we don't have protitutes, we have whores (or streetwalkers, same thing). There's a differance. Whores are usualy dirty and are into way too many drugs and don't care who they hurt or how things happen, they just want money. Now I have met a few whores that were very nice girls (personality wise) but that doesn't change the fact that they're a whore and will get me in trouble by bringing their buisness near me and my club.
I met one girl who was very nice, she came to our club and wanted to be a dancer because she wanted to get out of the life she was living. Kudos to her! Unfortunately our club was run by racist rednecks and we got a lot of racist people in there and because she was black she quit that same night because she couldn't seem to make much more then $20 being ligit. I told her to head to Toledo (a bigger city about 45 minutes away) where it'd be easier for her because there was less prejuduce out there and she'd make much better money. I hope she did. I never heard from her again.
Prostitution is legal in some areas of NV and that's the only place in the US that I know of where it's legal. I have nothing but respect for a protitute who does things legally and cleanly. Most legal protitues in NV are very clean, the inviroment in well controled so it's safe. If that's how they wanna make money that's up to them, it's not something that I'd wanna do but I don't look down on them because they do it. But that's because they don't do it in a strip club, they do it through a bordello, like the Bunny Ranch.
I never said prostitution was gross, I said being a whore was gross. It sucks that clubs "look the other way" and I refuse to work at places like that. If I bring something to the owner/manager's attention and they don't say or do anything, I'm gone. Screw that. I'll take my customers, and more then likely a few other girls, with me. I've done it before.
I'm also not saying that all high roller girls are whores, I'm just saying that sometimes, some of them are (note I said 'maybe' twice in that sentance). I've caught my own (now ex) boss with her hand down a guy's pants.
Is it so much to ask that I work in a clean and legit club?
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"well I did <insert sex act here> with so-and-so." SO! I DON'T!! GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEAD AND QUIT WASTING MY TIME!!! Just because I hear from some guy that some other girl did, will not make me change my mind... duh...
Customer's lie.
My comeback to the whole "But So-and-so does it" line is, "Why don't you go talk to So-and-so, then?"
If he is really just looking to get laid, and knows that So-and-so will finish him, I would just assume that he would go for the sure thing instead of goofing around with an unknown element.
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Thank you for clarifying your opinion, IvyLynn.
You have every right to work in a clean club. I just think it's getting near impossible to do that these days. The clubs that don't employ extras girls are few and far between (maybe it's different in Ohio?) so I personally take the approach of "live and let whore". At the end of the night it's my conscience I have to deal with, not theirs. I've known great prostitutes that work out of strip clubs and I wouldn't necessarily call them a whore (by your definition). To me, the "whore" and "prostitute" and "hooker" are the same person, it's just all what they are comfortable with label-wise. And you can be certain that some of those extras girls will never let ANYONE know that they are extras girls. I worked with a prostitute who charged at least 4 figures for a full service session, she was clean, drug-free and absolutely gorgeous. She got customers here and there from the club, but she was tactful and did her actual business on her own time. Just about anyone can be bought for the right price and under the right circumstances. I can't say I would never sleep with the right guy for the right amount of money.
But you are certainly welcome to go around telling on the girls and getting them thrown out of clubs. That is your choice. Like I said, you shouldn't have to compete. I just don't hate on them so much. They are doing a great service to the community and the majority of them are safe and clean. Legality is of no moral concern to me.
FTR, I was saying that maybe the high rollers are good salespeople, not prostitutes. I was not saying that high rollers are prostitutes because they make a lot of money.
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Customer's lie.
My comeback to the whole "But So-and-so does it" line is, "Why don't you go talk to So-and-so, then?"
If he is really just looking to get laid, and knows that So-and-so will finish him, I would just assume that he would go for the sure thing instead of goofing around with an unknown element.
That's so obvious now that you pointed that out! that thought never crossed my mind, but it makes perfect sense! thanks for the tip! ::)