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Girls who always bank...
Does anyone else work with a dancer who always banks way more than everyone else? A dancer at my new club is always up in the VIP room, and always doing dances. She does not do extras. She is very pretty, but no more so than others at my club. She is a wanna dance girl and really doesn't talk to guys. She does have a lot of regulars but also gets alot of random business. I watch her alot to figure out her secret, but can't figure it out. Any ideas or stories about dancers at your club?
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I know exactly what you mean!!! There were a couple of those girls at the club I work at, and I just cannot figure it out for the life of me ... how do they do it??? There could be 3 customers in the place and 20 dancers and those "bank" girls will get a dance from two of them and end up in the VIP with the third guy. What's the secret!?!?!?!?
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I totaly know what u meen.. lol But i know alot of girls who do extras.. or say there just going to party with the guys after and eave with them then u never really know what goes on rite?.. lol its hard to tell.
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We have a girl at my club that always makes what the rest of the girls make put together every single day. She does extras, but then so do about half of the girls so that is obviously not the reason. One of her secrets is that she is an upseller, she's always asking them if they want to do the vip instead of the dance, for the difference in price, not additional. She'll promise to be a lot nastier in there. She also waits by the door and pounces on the guys the second they come in the door. If another girl tries to beat her to it she will make their life hell. She makes so much money she pays off the manager to pretend to not notice and if another girl becomes too much of a problem she will get them fired. She considered rubbing their crotch will asking for the dance hustling. She's also a master at playing mind games, and can convince pretty much almost anyone to do anything she wants. she is also always on the floor and she does not even take a bathroom break until she has their money in advance fot the vip. She is also the most unatractive girl in the club both overwight and ugly.
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Originally Posted by Jenna78
I watch her alot to figure out her secret, but can't figure it out.
They know how to sell.
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I know a dancer who is cute looking.. has an okay body nothing to get all crazy about!, BIG boobs that overflow her bra and banks like fckin crazy at my old job. I found out what makes her bank and it's the EXTRAS. point blank. heh :x oh yea and she wears lingerie too bc most girls they would wear bikini sets.. so she always seemed to stand out! like she had a classy look goin on!
but of course,i cant say that about other girls!
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I have been asked before why i do so well, what my secret is. People think there's some magic line that guys succomb to but there isnt, DW is right, we know how to sell. take his course or read a sales book and implement those techniques and i am pretty sure you will be banking like top earners at your club do. Or you could just ask her what her approach is. she may be willing to share!
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Originally Posted by DancerWealth
They know how to sell.
No, not all...There are 3 girls at my home club like that. They are strictly "wanna dance" type of girls. They REFUSE to talk to customers.They walk around in circles doing that...They have told me that this is the only club they could ever work at simply because they dont feel like they need to hustle. And you girls all know that you cant' walk into every club with that "wanna dance" type of attitude.
If I'm dancing next to them, I usually here the customer ask them about VIP. I just think they have a great look.
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this may sound weird, but i'll try and explain what i mean. if a girl is the "top money maker" it becomes kind of a cycle. earning a lot of money makes her look desirable. the fact that she's in VIP all the time makes other guys think she must be worth it, and thusly makes them want her, which makes her more money. also, even if you don't -think- it's happening, there's a good possibility that the other girls (and maybe even yourself) act differently around that dancer or when she's on stage and etc. even these hints are subtle or subconcious, they key guys in to the fact that she probably makes more than everyone else. one night you should try -thinking- that you're the top money maker. still try and make your money as usual, but think in your mind that you're on top. i don't mean it to sound like "think you're better than everyone", but you know what i mean. at my club i'm one of the top 2 money makers on my shift. i've noticed that the more money i make and the busier i am.. the more money i make and the busier i am. hope any of that made sense. my best advice from what i've learned is to never look bored or not busy. it can be hard to do when the club is slow, but there are ways. i think sitting at the bar by yourself staring off into space makes you look like an undesired wallflower, even if you are the hottest girl in the club.
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Originally Posted by Pretty_Penny
earning a lot of money makes her look desirable. the fact that she's in VIP all the time makes other guys think she must be worth it, and thusly makes them want her, which makes her more money. also, even if you don't -think- it's happening, there's a good possibility that the other girls (and maybe even yourself) act differently around that dancer or when she's on stage and etc.
My thoughts exactly!!! I have my good days and my average days, during the latter I keep up the illusion that I'm busy.
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They have an excellent presence. I can't describe it. It's a combo or confidence and personality. It's more than knowing how to sell. What's the use of selling an hour of boredom to a customer? He needs to like you. He needs to be captivated by you. You need to be a good product. The girls that always bank, their products sell themselves. Me, I need a sales pitch.
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Originally Posted by Scout
What's the use of selling an hour of boredom to a customer? He needs to like you. He needs to be captivated by you. You need to be a good product.
It's so simple to be captivating. All you gotta do is act intrested, provide the right kind of body language, and ask lots of open ended questions. Keeping up on current events in sports, news, and popular culture helps you to add to the conversation but more importantly, gives you more questions to ask. Basically, let him do all the work. All of these things are learned through sales training. So yeah, these girls really do know how to sell.
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If you are positive that she's not offering extras, then yes, she is a good saleswoman. It's probably a combination of that and having a lot of regulars.
I think the top earner at my club has been there since it opened, so she has a lot of regs and she also works her ass off. I've never heard her hustle, but she knows the ins and outs of the club completely, gets along really well with the staff and I'm sure that goes a long way.
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Once again, I find myself with Penny.
I'm a lawyer, and this goes on in the legal community as well.
Who do you want repping you? The guy who won the last big case.
You're a guy. Who do you want dancing for you? The girl who did the last great dance down at the local club. Or even looked like she did the last great dance.
That last case wasn't for you. Neither was that dance. Neither mattered. Bring it on.
And so it goes. Well said, Penny.
Siber
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I also know what Penny is saying...there is a certain amount of inertia in this business. When I am having a rocking start to the night, or when the ball really gets rolling, I find I continue to sell well ALL night. Like without really trying. Like last night (the first Sunday I've done well in a while), guys just kept coming up and asking for dances. Or I'd be able to sell them within a song. It's probably partially to do with 'looking popular', and probably also some psychological thing. I'm sure I exude more confidence when I'm doing well.
I think this is why I usually either do really well, or not great at all. I don't have many $400 nights. I seem to hit $700+, or struggle desparately for the $300 mark. So when I'm having a desperate night, I just go home and try the next day. And then I try to make myself stay when it's going well.
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Completely agreed. I've found that when I hustle my ass off to get dances from the first few guys, everything after that is so much easier. There are slow nights when there aren't enough guys to make me even look busy, in which case I'll sit with the customers who I know will buy for a longer period of time, or walk around and try to look busy and important, just so I look like the girl who is desireable. I never sit down alone. This strategy works out great for me, and especially on busy nights, because after I sell my first few dances, I just get customers one right after the other without stopping for a breath.
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I've noticed an increase when I look more expensive. I wear a 'chanel' necklace and 'diamond' earrings while dressed in black studded with crystals I sewed on myself. I LOOK more expensive but am the same price. When I started this, my income record was beat three nights in a row!
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Originally Posted by lilithmorrigan
I've noticed an increase when I look more expensive. I wear a 'chanel' necklace and 'diamond' earrings while dressed in black studded with crystals I sewed on myself. I LOOK more expensive but am the same price. When I started this, my income record was beat three nights in a row!
Me, too!
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Originally Posted by Siber
Once again, I find myself with Penny.
I'm a lawyer, and this goes on in the legal community as well.
Who do you want repping you? The guy who won the last big case.
You're a guy. Who do you want dancing for you? The girl who did the last great dance down at the local club. Or even looked like she did the last great dance.
That last case wasn't for you. Neither was that dance. Neither mattered. Bring it on.
And so it goes. Well said, Penny.
Siber
that is sooooo true....i wish i was one of those girls who ALWAYS banked
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I know that selling skills are important in initially getting dances and VIPs, but that is not what keeps one customer up in the VIP for hours or what makes a guy get more than one dance. This is what this dancer excells at--getting 1 guy to spend tons on her, over and over again. I can sell 1 VIP but have trouble getting them to buy another when the time is up. Also, I think it is more than selling skills because I have worked with some good sellers, but have never seen anyone who always makes insane amounts consistently like she does.
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It's not how much time you spend, or even what you say, it's how you say it. If you are in the mind set that you are having a great night and you convince him with your being that if he spends his money on you he is also going to have a great night, it's hard to say no. Your "good time" could be with extra's if you don't have enough confidence in your personality, but isn't necessary in less you work in a club rampant with prostitution. Men go to the club to have a good time and clear their mind of troubles, boredom, and loneliness. If you have an outgoing personality that lets them know from introduction that you and him are going to have a great night and a wonder personal party together, you will make money.
Also I think if you tell him what you want to do, instead of asking I feel it's more convincing. If I say "I know you'd be a fun guy do dance for. Let's go, cause I can't stand waiting to get at you anymore" or "I love dancing for you, I know you'd be so much fun in the VIP. It's private and secluded so I can do whatever I want with you and no one will be around to disturb. You ready, let's go." I guess I feel I do better with sells if I fully convince this guy that I want this dance for the same reasons he does. I've got to get in his head that I want to get close to this guy, his money is just an added bonus, even if it's just an illusion.
I'm not the biggest earner in the world, but I feel I do pretty well compared to many girls. Each one of these girls could make as much money as I did if they were knew what to do or were putting an effort. Too often I see a girl not make money because she approaches a customer, look as if she's already been defeated. Men can smell insecurity, they are at this club because they are in a way feeling the same thing. If you exude confidence, they'll admire it. If you speak to people as if you know they'll say yes, and assume they'll be honored you approach them, I feel you are going to get a better response.
Hope it helps someone.
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Tying this in with the polite thread...
Making money for me on most nights is a circle that builds on itself. I've found that if I want to be in demand, the best thing to do is to talk to as many guys as I can in the club, even if just for one song. If they don't want a dance right then, tell them you'll come back later. Hit everyone. When I do this, I often get 4 or 5 guys coming to tip me on stage even if they don't want a dance. When other girls only get tipped from 1 or 2 guys (we don't have a tip rail where guys sit, so they have to walk up) and then 5 guys come up to see me, I look super popular, even though I didn't even dance for 2 of those guys. That, in turn, makes other guys think I'm worth spending money on.
So my number one tip is to make friends with every guy. Be polite and greet the guests.
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great advice carolina, couldn't be more true
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Originally Posted by cinammonkisses
No, not all...There are 3 girls at my home club like that. They are strictly "wanna dance" type of girls.
They may be using selling skills you are not aware of and not using the "Wanna dance" like like you may be familliar with it. I'm in Orlando right now heading up the coaching and sales staff for a friend of mine's seminar company. I closed on a $30,000 sale in less than 30 seconds because I knew how to time it, read my customer right, and seal the deal. 30 seconds, $30K. To the outsider, it could have seemed like luck. I can assure you, it wasn't. A lot of times, perception can be very skewed when you aren't aware of the entire sales shot.
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Originally Posted by Dottie Rebel
Can you be more specific about the "entire sales shot?" For example, what was essential about your timing, reading, and sealing in your recent 30K deal?
Fair enough. Okay, to give you some background, the $30,000 sale was for a 3-day seminar seat. To explain the way I made the sale, I need to explain the context.
I was working at a higher end seminar called the Millionaire Mentorship Program taught by my friend who I'll call "Mike" for the topic of this conversation. This is a second-tier event that people pay $5K to attend after they have already attended his introductory seminar at $1,500. At the Millionaire Mentorship Program (MMP for short) attendees are taught the skills, mindsets, and modalities of how millionaires operate. High end persuasion and influence skills are taught as well as different vehicles for making money by top experts including the Internet, stock trading, public speaking etc. It's a pretty powerful 4-day event of which he has a ton of success stories. After the first night, there are several event-coaches who work with the attendees of which I head up the team. There are only a few of us (about 1 coach per 20-25 attendees and this particular event had about 180 attendees). So whenever the seminar breaks for meals, we take them into breakout groups that the coaches personally assign for the duration of the event. This way we can provide a lot of personal attention to each attendee as well as make sales for more advanced programs (duh!). So, one of these programs is a 3-day seminar taught at Mike's personal beach-house mansion in California. It is limited to only 12 people and the price tag is $30K of which he coordinates and moderates. You've got to love a seminar where you have very little logistics and you can make $360,000.00 in a little more than a weekend (now you all know why I'm in the seminar business...just do the math). So being a very high-end ticket it's not something your average Joe can afford so we have to use a lot of cold-reading on our attendees to figure out who could plop down a credit card for a $30,000 purchase. In addition, we reinforce the fact that this is an event that is invitation only and just because you can afford it doesn't mean you can attend since it's in someone's personal residence. One of the methods I use to sell this type of program is exclusivity...letting everyone know that there is only 12 seats and just because you want to go doesn't mean you can. The best trick up my sleeve for this is to let everyone know that I have a "personal list of only a few people in the group personally chosen by Mike to attend this event and that if you think you might be on this list, contact me in private so I can verify it with you and see if you would be a good candidate for the program."
So, in this particular case, I had this woman targeted for a sale on this for 2 days. I knew she was financially qualified and knew it would be a tremendous course for her. For such a large investment though, you have to really build it up as being more than that though. So I dropped the idea on her a few times about the program and her eyes lit up. Finally, she came up to me at a short break in the seminar and said, "just out of curiosity, am I on the list?" Now, knowing her background, I recognized this as a huge buying sign. So what I did was a kind of take-away close. I replied with, "Look Linda (name changed to protect the innocent), Mike gave me the list last night and you're not on it. [right then I watched her response and she was devostated] so I'm going to have to run this past Mike to see what his thoughts are on this so I don't know what I can do. What I can say to him though is that you and I have been working together a lot over the last two days and I personally think you would be a perfect candidate for this program and since he and I have known each-other for so long, that carries a lot of weight. Let me see what I can do." I left and I could see she was dying for a response.
So, I walk up to Mike and say, "See the woman behind me in the green dress...three rows back with the red hair? I need you to start nodding your head and point to her." He did. Now I let her wait. The seminar starts up again and I let her sweat a bit. Five minutes later, I slip her a note that says, "I need to see you ASAP...I've got good news." She gets up and meets me in the back of the room. I say, "I'm really glad you asked about this because Mike thought you were in a different group and gave your name to another one of the coaches. As it turns out, you've been on the short-list all along and I didn't even know it. Mike wants you there, so it's obvious you need to be there. I think this goes without saying that we need to start the paperwork and get you enrolled now before all the seats are full." Her eyes lit up like Christmas trees and the next thing you know she's handing me the Amex which was already in her hand. Total conversation time was less than 30 seconds. While I did use a few very sneaky sales techniques on her, the bottom line is I know the value of what she was paying for and know it's worth every penny so I'm truly doing her a favor by selling it to her. That's sales baby!
The way this applies to dancers is to understand that in some circumstances if you're working on a big sale (like 1+ hours in the VIP room with a customer who you know is financially qualified and showing buying signs) that you need to build up the value so big that they don't feel like you sold them anything. Rather they are BEGGING you to sell them something. It's really just that simple.
FYI, I also sold 3 other seats that event as well for a combined total sale amount just on this one seminar of $120,000. It was such a fruitful week that on Monday I took the day and went to DisneyWorld. There was a guy there who made custom gold rings so I had one made for fun that says, "SMTM" on it..."Show Me The Money!" :)