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I was a top earner (me and one other girl) before I had my kid. They guys that would talk to me liked me spending time with them because I had a personality. I didn't seem to be like every other "stripper" who had the mindset of asking for a dance and then leaving. I would take the time to shit with them about their day, play pool, and have some beer. I just acted like I was hanging out with them at a regular club, but as an added bonus they got to see me naked (it was a nude club).
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Personally, at my club...I've found that the girls who bank the most are just VERY aggressive...some to the point where they make the custies feel obligated, but I try to incorporate a lot of the aggressiveness I see in these dancers with my own personality in which I enjoy it...I love working in the sex industry, I love talking and dancing for custies, and it's more than just about the money for me (although we all know it's great!). Sometimes all it takes to market yourself is being aggressive and confident...If you idle around and wait someone will get that dance instead of you.
And I agree with forever_fallen, looks are of course helpful but personality does SO much for you.
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What exactly do you guys mean by aggressive? Like, being forceful? I sometimes am confused about the line between agressive and confident and being pushy and annoying. I don't want to piss anyone off if they truly don't want a dance, but I don't want to not try hard enough either.
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Maybe it's something you just gotta learn by doing, I dunno.
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I've been trying to be more aggressive lately, and sometimes it works, but sometimes it backfires. I'm bad at being able to tell which guys respond best to different hustles./:O
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Top bankers sell better than anyone else!
I consistently do well, I'm not the hottest, but I know what to do. If you make a man feel special first, you can get the dance. I usually do this -
1) Pick a man who looks like a good target (the one who has a more expensive drink in his hand, or one who looks lik he is "studying" the girls trying to pick one, he's definetly after a dance).
2) Approach him non-confrontationally first. I'll go up and tell him he has a nice shirt or hair, usually they think your next line will be "want to dance", but instead I smile cheekily, tell them I'm meant to be starting a dance for another man (for two reasons, first it makes me look popular, and second it makes him think I went out of my way for him over another customer), and then wish them a good night. Usually it goes something like this -
Me - "That's a really nice shirt. It looks classy."
Them - "Uhh, thanks. I'm only here for a few drinks with my wrokmates though." (they'll usually mak some sort of brush off)
Me - " It's ok, I'm actually meant to be starting a dance for another man now. You're shirt just caught my eye and I had to say something, that's all."
Them - "Oh" (men are stupid, most don't really respond)
Me - "Well, you have fun tonight. If I can get a 10 minute break or something later, I might have a bit of chat to you while I'm not dancing."
3) Leave them. Go hustle some other guys for about half and hour, and then go back to the first guy. Approach and talk about how you just need to put your feet up for a bit after non-stop dances. Sit with them, and casually mention you often don't get breaks because as you are the best/feature/most flexible/only model (whatever talk-up you think you can get away with) men always book you well in advance, so it's nice to have a break and just sit and chill like a normal clubber. Your talk up has to be casual and realistic though. Because I'm a model I like to casually mention it like "I don't normally get a good break because the club manager likes to promote to the patrons my modelling, so I spend a lot of time in the dance room because of that, it's just good to chill for a bit, pretend I'm just one of the other club-goers."
4) This normally get's them asking a question like "who do you model for/ why are you the most flexible dancer/ why does the manager promote you so much." this is when you go into your sell.
5) You've sold your dance, and all it took was some careful flattery, and a total of about 3 minutes talk time.
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^ Yes, sometimes this approach really works! Also, sometimes I'll notice a guy who seems interested and I'll make eye contact from a distance. Then ignore him for a time and eventually come his way.
It helps instill a sense that you're less attainable, which makes you more desireable.
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I'm gonna stick my neck out and say that right now, I am that girl who always banks. Now let it be known, I'm not talking about $1000's a night, but for my club the kind of money I take home is sweet.
It's to the point where girls have started to make comments like
"Oh, well you're here....I might as well just leave" when I walk into the DR.
I don't go around announcing my earnings, but everyone somehow knows. I guess it's cause I am always in VIP and don't hang out in the DR.
I got asked the other night: "How do you always make money? I don't get it!"
I told her that I put my work in, and it's true. I come in at 7 and work until 2. I don't stroll in at midnight like alot of girls and expect to make a decent nights' earnings in 2 hours.
Other factors that effect me are:
-I hit SEVERE burnout last May and took 4 months off. I just started up again about a month ago so I am "fresh minded" .....I feel like a newb again. My tolerance for bullshit is very big right now.
-Because of that, I am ALWAYS fucking smiling.
-The result from that is only having to work 1-2 nights a week. I've been doing so well that I don't have to drag myself in 5 nights a week.
-I'm usually always buzzed.
-Did I mention that I DON'T HANG OUT IN THE DR?? Funny cause the ones who "Don't get it" when it comes to my sick $$ are always the ones hanging out in the DR causing drama, or sitting in the corner pouting.
Everything is sort of a cause-and-effect scenario for me. I am enjoying it, thinking positive and hoping against hope that it lasts through the season.
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CherryBomb954
I'm gonna stick my neck out and say that right now, I am that girl who always banks. Now let it be known, I'm not talking about $1000's a night, but for my club the kind of money I take home is sweet.
Awesome. I read (under my old username :P ) your postings over the summer about how burnt out and miserable you were, and am so glad to hear this update/success story. Good for you for making a comeback! :flower:
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-I hit SEVERE burnout last May and took 4 months off. I just started up again about a month ago so I am "fresh minded" .....I feel like a newb again.
This is me right now. How did you know when you were ready to go back?
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CherryBomb954
Other factors that effect me are:
-I hit SEVERE burnout last May and took 4 months off. I just started up again about a month ago so I am "fresh minded" .....I feel like a newb again. My tolerance for bullshit is very big right now.
-Because of that, I am ALWAYS fucking smiling.
-The result from that is only having to work 1-2 nights a week. I've been doing so well that I don't have to drag myself in 5 nights a week.
-I'm usually always buzzed.
-Did I mention that I DON'T HANG OUT IN THE DR?? Funny cause the ones who "Don't get it" when it comes to my sick $$ are always the ones hanging out in the DR causing drama, or sitting in the corner pouting.
Next week will be my return to work after my own 4 month hiatus. Here's hoping I'm as successful as you've been since you've gone back. *crosses fingers*
And for me, its so weird: most nights, I actually do better if I hang out in the DR more than I'm on the main floor, and I still do pretty well for my club. I just look so fucking awkward when I'm out there. :-\
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elizabeth20042007
Personally, at my club...I've found that the girls who bank the most are just VERY aggressive...some to the point where they make the custies feel obligated, but I try to incorporate a lot of the aggressiveness I see in these dancers with my own personality in which I enjoy it...I love working in the sex industry, I love talking and dancing for custies, and it's more than just about the money for me (although we all know it's great!). Sometimes all it takes to market yourself is being aggressive and confident...If you idle around and wait someone will get that dance instead of you.
And I agree with forever_fallen, looks are of course helpful but personality does SO much for you.
I think by being aggressive means being assertive. A lot of times guys settle for a $20 dance when they can be easily pushed into a 3 for 100. :O I have that problem of being too complacent sometimes.
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This is me right now. How did you know when you were ready to go back?[/quote]
Actually, I was kinda forced into it. I had no choice. I couldn't find a real job to save my life. I got hired at a clothing store and they let me go after a month cause business was so slow. I spent 3 months searching for a job, all for that to happen, then I looked some more, and nothing. So I was like FUCK IT, we're totally out of cash and needed to do something fast, so... I went back to the club. I didn't think about it too much, I just did it. It's just kinda fallen into place that I have been making $$. I'm counting my blessings.
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the girl who always banks in one of the clubs i work at has been there a long time so she has a lot of regulars and is in with the management and they send the big spenders her way
at the same time though its pretty clear she is doing extras. she always baby wipes her boobs and other places after a dance, she approaches guys by grabbing their cocks, and sometimes i see guys come out of the half hour room after only 10 minutes, go into the bathroom, and then leave the club...so yeah.
one time i made more than her and she kept trying to steal my customers (which is how i found out she grabs cock, as her handshake), i could tell she was pissed that she wasnt the top earner that day lol
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I was the top earner at my old club (The one that screwed me over *sigh*) and I had regulars, PLUS I had always "just come out of a dance" and was just freshening up quickly before I went to stage.
I certainly wasnt the hottest girl there, and I dont do extras, but I did well.
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The girls that I see always banking...
They're notorious for their charm, and equally so for their cunning. They radiate confidence because they truly see themselves as being superior to everyone else. Lies roll off their tongues as easily and smoothly as water. They're naturally gifted actresses who can fake any emotion so convincingly and naturally, and manipulating people is a fun game to them. They don't think of customers as people, so there's never any hesitation or problem with taking customers to the cleaners and being ruthless way beyond what would make most girls feel uncomfortable. And they can easily convince anyone to do anything they want.
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Selling comes down to four things:
1. Greet.
2. Qualify,
3. Present, and
4. Close!
Most people who fail at selling, fail at closing. It is the most important step and the most difficult. The "wanna dance" girls are closing, early and often. It may not make a lot of money, but it does keep the volume up. Think Wal-Mart. They don't make much money on each sale but they make a lot of sales.
However, I think if you spend a little more time on the first three steps, and combine with a firm close, you will make more money and upsell more.
Good luck and good selling!
Z
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sorsi
They're notorious for their charm, and equally so for their cunning. They radiate confidence because they truly see themselves as being superior to everyone else. Lies roll off their tongues as easily and smoothly as water. They're naturally gifted actresses who can fake any emotion so convincingly and naturally, and manipulating people is a fun game to them. They don't think of customers as people, so there's never any hesitation or problem with taking customers to the cleaners and being ruthless way beyond what would make most girls feel uncomfortable. And they can easily convince anyone to do anything they want.
Genius. Pure genius. I'm gonna write this down and read it to myself before work. This is just excellent.
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I just found out that one of the top-earners at my club, who I really admired for her work ethic (she NEVER stops...if there's only 8 guys in the club she dances for at least 7, multiple dances for all of them, the whole shebang,) sucks dick. Le sigh, now I have to look for a new role-model.
But on the up side, it turns out that I am viewed by my peers as one of those girls who "always banks." I didn't realize how well I do compared to most of the other girls, which put a big smile on my face. I can't help but be competitive.;)
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luvbuniz
I think by being aggressive means being assertive. A lot of times guys settle for a $20 dance when they can be easily pushed into a 3 for 100. :O I have that problem of being too complacent sometimes.
I'm usually aggressive in closing a sale on the floor, but complacent in upselling in VIP. Unfortunately, this sets me up for the "one dance special" when I could have clearly pushed for more.
I really need to work on working smarter, not harder. I've never really found a decent balance on upselling, most guys get turned off when I mention the dance price packages as opposed to the cost of 1 dance.
Hopefully, I can get it together and quick, the economy isn't exactly making things any easier.
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sorsi
The girls that I see always banking...
They're notorious for their charm, and equally so for their cunning. They radiate confidence because they truly see themselves as being superior to everyone else. Lies roll off their tongues as easily and smoothly as water. They're naturally gifted actresses who can fake any emotion so convincingly and naturally, and manipulating people is a fun game to them. They don't think of customers as people, so there's never any hesitation or problem with taking customers to the cleaners and being ruthless way beyond what would make most girls feel uncomfortable. And they can easily convince anyone to do anything they want.
This is absolutely the worst thing I think an entertainer can do. I see a lot of newbies who think they need to lie. It doesn't create repeat clientele, and ultimately becomes self-destructive to the entertainer.
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pinkkitten
If another girl tries to beat her to it she will make their life hell. She makes so much money she pays off the manager to pretend to not notice and if another girl becomes too much of a problem she will get them fired.
Managers who accept money for looking the other way and fire good girls should be fired.
And then taken out back and shot.
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BeBe
I'm usually aggressive in closing a sale on the floor, but complacent in upselling in VIP. Unfortunately, this sets me up for the "one dance special" when I could have clearly pushed for more.
I really need to work on working smarter, not harder. I've never really found a decent balance on upselling, most guys get turned off when I mention the dance price packages as opposed to the cost of 1 dance.
Hopefully, I can get it together and quick, the economy isn't exactly making things any easier.
How do you know most guys get turned off? Is it a look on their face or is it what they actually say? Do you follow their lead when they object? Because I don't!! Some guys will try to make you agree with their POV (they'll remark that it's too expensive or show it in their face and watch for your response; if in any way you concur with that POV you will have lost the sale).
In my experience, the top reasons why I don't see girls making VIP have been these:
- they think the cost is expensive and they don't believe the room/theirself is worth the cost
- they don't ask every customer
- they mention it last like it the the least desirable choice on the menu
- they have a dislike of talking to men and/or have no idea how they would handle them in a VIP room for such a length of time
Firstly, set it up well: I believe you should ask everyone enthusiastically like you're worth every penny and give the best VIP rooms ever. I mention it first and with a lot of emphasis, or if I do mention the dances first, I make them sound like they pale in comparison to the VIP. I make sure my eyes light up when i talk about the room, and make it out like this is THE room that caters for the club's best.
If I get my first objection, I stay positive and continue upselling, because sometimes the man just needs a small push to be convinced. I don't have original 'lines' and most of them are, admittedly, cheesy as hell (I make sure my body language speaks mostly for me), but they work for me. I will say things like "you should make an exception and really treat yourself to the very best". Sometimes after a few objections, I might even ask them, in a nice way of course, if it's about the money (might as well save myself the effort of badgering a poor man), then point them to an ATM or offer them value for what they have in their pocket. The bottom line is, never make initial assumptions on a man's spending power and whatever that guy's budget, try to take all the money he has before another dancer gets it.
If he only wants lapdances, don't settle for one, upsell on those too. Ask if he'd like one more, a bunch of them (you might want to consider cutting a deal if the club allows (e.g. 5 for price of 4), or if he loves your dances, ask if he wants to upgrade to VIP for unlimited dances in a given space of time.