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Selling VIP in an extras ridden club
When I worked out of town I coudln't tell a VIP to save my life. The customers had the money they were just wanting something that I could just not give. Locals know this club is extras ridden, and I figure so do the out of towners..so what can I do to divert them away from the sexual activities and interested in a clean dance?
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You either have to go to a clean club or be preparred to get on your knees.
Dirty clubs get a reputation and before long only customers looking for extras will go there. So only girls willing to do extras make any money. Management often will look the other way if they are making money from the activity. Its a downward spiral that only ends when management steps in to stop it. (usually when LE has taken action or is threatening action against the club).
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I know its annoying when people post to say "cant help you sorry" but....
I feel for you, Ive been in this situation myself and I had to change clubs.
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Well, durr, you can give a mind-blowing lapdance WITHOUT doing all that! Just tell them that your lapdances are a hundred times better than their extras. :P
"Would you rather have a crappy blowjob from a pusy skank ridden whore or a sexual erotic lapdance that'll blow your mind."
....actually, I don't want to know the answer most people will have for that.
>_>
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Just do the same thing you'd do anywhere else... the customers don't know you're not going to give them extras, and there are a lot of ways to get out of tacitly stating what you won't do before they spend the money. Just prepare yourself for a lot of single dances.
Also, even in extras-heavy clubs, there are always going to be customers interested in what you're selling. You just have to find the right ones... like anywhere, I guess.
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yeah...thats a big problem here....and the reason I have gone out of town so much over the last few years.
Unfortunatley there isnt too much you CAN do. If the guy is there specifically for a blow job and you wont do that...you're S.O.L.
I would just find a better club if possible...there has to be ONE thats clean..or at least clean-er
Why put yourself through the irritating crap if you dont have to?
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you can do it. itll just be difficult to do without lying or at least bendign the truth. allude to the fact that they will get more in the back but dont say what. just say soemthing like "i will blow your mind baby" or " we will have all the fun in the world." get paid upfront and if he tries to get touchy kick his ass out. you got your money thats all that matters. if he gets bitchy just tell him hes lucky that your not an undercover busting him for soliciting...that will shut him up.
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^^^ That's it, exactly. I sold a couple of VIP's in Vegas this way...
Him: What do I get to do back there? Can I touch you?
Me: You just lie back and enjoy yourself. You can't touch me, but I can touch you all I want. (suggestive giggle, glance at his lap)
They think you're offering a handjob so they go back there. Then you just do a regular dance and maybe rub his arms and shoulders. I did have one guy once who complained and actually admitted that he thought I was going to give him a handjob. I told him I'd said no such thing. He said, "But you said you could touch me all you want!" I replied, "And what makes you think I WANT to touch your nasty little dick?"
Most of the time it works out well though.
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also if they want you to say what exactl youll do to them once they go back there, say "oh hunny weve had undercovers in here i cant risk saying things like that."
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Thanks girls for your suggestions, I appreciate it. Yek, and Miss Kris, I like your ideas alot. I may have to try that, IF I go back down there to Florida. Even if I don't, I think you're suggestions could get me some VIP action = more money. I'm trying to make as much as I can before school starts back again. Wish me luck!!!
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Originally Posted by lilithmorrigan
Well, durr, you can give a mind-blowing lapdance WITHOUT doing all that! Just tell them that your lapdances are a hundred times better than their extras. :P
"Would you rather have a crappy blowjob from a pusy skank ridden whore or a sexual erotic lapdance that'll blow your mind."
....actually, I don't want to know the answer most people will have for that.
>_>
I used to say something along those lines. I was working in an area where there were a lot of brothels and guys used to bawk at paying $80 for a private show "I can get sex for $60, why would I give you $80 for a strip?"
So I'd say "if you can get sex for $60 go for it but you won't get it from me, why don't you go to one of the other places and find out exactly what you will get for your money and from who" they always came back and took me for a show.
Having said that though extras clubs and their neighbours are an uphill battle, guys don't care if you look better or can do a good show because they are there for extras, you end up reying on guys who stumble in not knowing any better and cop crap from idiots who think your the same and they are entitled. Extras clubs have another problem, they are poorly run so you'll run into problems in other areas too.
You could try a few lines to put customers off the idea who put it on you like reminding them of STDs and raids.
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if they want a dance with extras there's a 95% chance you won't change their mind. you're going to put up with a LOT of bullshit you don't want to in order to make money there. like, hinting to guys that you'll do more and etc. which is never a good idea. go to a club where your lap dance IS going to be an exeptional one from the customers standpoint. unfortuantely, if you live somewhere that has MANY extras clubs, like i do here in tampa, you have to put up with it even at a club thats clean. why? because many customers think every club in tampa is a whore house. so you get a lot of new people in the club who expect extras. it's still better to work in the clean club though.
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Originally Posted by Pretty_Penny
if they want a dance with extras there's a 95% chance you won't change their mind. you're going to put up with a LOT of bullshit you don't want to in order to make money there. like, hinting to guys that you'll do more and etc. which is never a good idea. go to a club where your lap dance IS going to be an exeptional one from the customers standpoint. unfortuantely, if you live somewhere that has MANY extras clubs, like i do here in tampa, you have to put up with it even at a club thats clean. why? because many customers think every club in tampa is a whore house. so you get a lot of new people in the club who expect extras. it's still better to work in the clean club though.
I don't know how you Tampa girls do it, with so many customers nagging for sex. It would kill my morale.
The only way to make money in a "serious mileage" club without giving it up is to be the hottest girl there. And you can't be the hottest by a nose. You must be the hottest by a long shot. Compared to other girls, you must be on par with Tyra Banks.
If you work a club where the customers spend and the other girls look like they rolled out of a dumpster, you will make money. But there can't be a club full of hotties close by because the guys who want the hotties will just go there.
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Probably your best bet is to seek a fetish type of clientele. If a guy just wants to be humiliated, beat up, or wants to play with your beautiful toes, It will be easier to sell VIPs to those guys w/o any expectations of extras.
I am a dirty talker, and am pretty decent at finding topics that the customer enjoys. This seems to help me a lot in closing sales with customers that want something more than "just a dance." This distracts the customer from the fact that he is really not getting any action at all. The brain is the most important sex organ, after all!;)
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Just lie to them, or bend the truth. It worked fine for me in Houston for ages. Sure. they'll let you go after 1-3 dances, but hey, you made some money, move on to the next. I do promise it will eat at your soul though. :(
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There was this one guy in my club who was adorable and sweet and after a little bit of chatting just came right out and said "Hey, how do I get some head in here?"
I was appalled and shocked cause I thought he was one of the nice guys but boy was I wrong. I automatically shut down and withdrew and I guess I got a stoney expression on and I said totally matter of fact and maybe a bit snippy, "You're in the wrong club and asking the wrong girl but personally, if I was looking for head I wouldn't get it from a girl in here that was known for doing it... you'd probably bring home more then you cared for."
I left it at that and just walked away. I checked back at his table later on because the rest of his group was actually very nice and asked him if he'd had any luck with what he was looking for. He told me that he'd been to afraid to ask. I guess I was so honest that he believed me and I just smiled and tried not to laugh.
-=Phoenix <-- doing my part to reduce extras!
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There are a couple of clever lines I use... Yeah, if I use them with a cop, it probably wouldn't turn out very well, but it gets them back into the VIP..
Him: What I really want in the VIP is a bj/sex.
Me: You do?! Well, let's go!
I didn't technically say that I would do anything..I simply acknowledged that that was his desire...
Him: So what's it like in the VIP? / What do YOU do back there? / How naughty do you get?
Me: Don't worry hon, I"ll blow you away. No one leaves unsatisfied.
I'm sure there are other lines like this. They work well for me. :-/
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What works for me is just approaching everyone with the knowledge that my dances are better than sex, and then I just convince him of that fact.
Some will never be sold on that tactic, but at least it weeds out the bad customers from the good ones. I've done VIPs where the guy was satisfied with being cuddled, simply just wanted to talk, or wanted to see me 'get myself off' (which doesn't really happen but he can't tell because it's so dark).
Of course, if you are not doing the extras, you probably won't bank like the extras girls do, but you can still make money. Just accept that fact or find a cleaner club. But it can be done. Definitely brush up on your sales so your chances of getting a dance is much better. You might not be able to keep them back there as long, but you will sell to more guys.
And you know that the guy who keeps getting clean dances is a great customer. Make him feel as important to your business as he actually is and he will come back.
I love the idea of skirting around the issue. Just be careful you don't imply that you will actually do anything. I wouldn't lie, just do something similar to what Yek said.
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Just lie to them, or bend the truth.
Agreed that this works ... at least for a while. Unfortunately, creating false expectations can also wind up backfiring, i.e. pissed off guys turning into stalkers.
Also agreed that if your working in a club where extras are commonplace, and you're not into offering extras, your best bet is to probably find a different 'cleaner' club where you're not constantly faced with working at an economic 'disadvantage'. True it is possible to make money not offering extras in an 'extras' club, but you can probably earn much more money not offering extras in a different club where other girls aren't offering 'extras' either.
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A friend of mine, while working at a dirty club as a clean dancer told me that she would tell guys "Oh, REALLY dirty stuff goes on back there." When she got back there and gave them a clean dance, and they asked she would just say "Oh, I didn't mean with me, silly!"
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MelissaRenee
A friend of mine, while working at a dirty club as a clean dancer told me that she would tell guys "Oh, REALLY dirty stuff goes on back there." When she got back there and gave them a clean dance, and they asked she would just say "Oh, I didn't mean with me, silly!"
Like Melonie mentioned in the post above yours (from how far back????) this is an excellent way to get yourself in deep trouble w/ a pissed off customer. You risk getting stiffed, badmouthed to all the other customers, & in really bad cases assaulted bc they 'want their $$$ worth & goddamn you they're gonna get it!' Would STRONGLY advise against this.
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Ugh I feel you. I'm in a similar situation as you as in I'm a clean dancer in a higher milage club. The only guys I sell VIPs to are young, drunk, and/or out of town who don't know any better. For the most part I sell single lap dances in the common areas where definitely no extras go on. It's tough seeing girls consistently making $2000+ while I leave home with $400. Ugh.