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Do Non-Extra dancers become Extras Gals?
I know similiar questions like this may have been asked before, but this one club in particular I have been patronizing for years has gradually become a very "extras" oriented establisment. Dancers that I have known for years that were very by the book and non-extras gals are meeting "custies" at hotels for anywhere from $300 to $600. Management of the club seems to look the other way and or doesn't care. Just by talking to a couple of these dancers, there opinions are at least 60-70% of the dancers at this club now are full time "extras gals" OTC. Is this a common activity at other clubs as well when dancers start out with no intentions of working on their backs, but the $$$ and realities that other dancers are "doing it" make it hard to maintain good regulars w/o conforming to the new/current status quo? 8)
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Based on my exprience I'd have to say the answer is "sometimes".
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Do non-extras girls become extras girls?
Yes.
All of them?
No.
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Sometimes. Some of the girls will quit or move to other clubs where they can make money without the suck-fuck. IMO, it's the dumber/less-motivated ones who stay and give in when they originally wouldn't dare to go there.
I realize there are some girls who choose that not because they're stupid or less motivated but because that's simply how they choose to earn a living. These are different girls....
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At the first club I ever worked at, theres a customer Im talking to and he asks how much fun he can have in VIP and what will it cost him? I know what hes hinting at, but I tell him 400 bucks, he will have the best time of his life. We go in, and we started talking, I danced for him a little, and before we knew it, our time was up. we end up in VIp for an extra hour because he is enjoying my company. He said he was glad to give me to 400 dollars anyway because he enjoyed his time regardless. Then he asks me if I know of any girls in the club that will give him what he wants, and I said to my knowledge, none of the girls here are like that ( was I ever naive) Anway, he finds a girl, goes into VIp with her, and when they come out she is bragging to me that she got 200 dollars from him and all she had to do was suck his dick for a few seconds and he got off. Easiest money she ever made. I said I got double and didnt even take my top off.
Moral of the story is that it seems to me that girls who do extras do it because they have no idea how to actually sell, how to provide customers with entertainment without putting out. Girls who arent making enough money to suit them think they need to start providing extras in order to increase their income when the reality of it is, if they learned how to do thier job better, they would never even need to concider offering extras.
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^^a-fucking-men. Of course you know that girl thought you were bullshitting ::)
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Originally Posted by Vegas_dancer
Anway, he finds a girl, goes into VIp with her, and when they come out she is bragging to me that she got 200 dollars from him and all she had to do was suck his dick for a few seconds and he got off. Easiest money she ever made. I said I got double and didnt even take my top off.
Moral of the story is that it seems to me that girls who do extras do it because they have no idea how to actually sell, how to provide customers with entertainment without putting out. Girls who arent making enough money to suit them think they need to start providing extras in order to increase their income when the reality of it is, if they learned how to do thier job better, they would never even need to concider offering extras.
Or, maybe she was happy to make $200 in five or ten minutes vs. your $400 for a whole hour. Some women just don't think much of a blowjob these days. One of the wealthiest and stunning looking gals I know laughs about blowing her hairdresser for a good color job. She just thinks its fun. Too bad for her husband - who gets nothing...
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Originally Posted by Vegas_dancer
Moral of the story is that it seems to me that girls who do extras do it because they have no idea how to actually sell, how to provide customers with entertainment without putting out. Girls who arent making enough money to suit them think they need to start providing extras in order to increase their income when the reality of it is, if they learned how to do thier job better, they would never even need to concider offering extras.
I always wondered if they knew how to sell regardless of looks then they wouldnt feel the need to give bj in VIP for $200. Laplover, if a girl knew she could get the same if not more money from the guy without going to a HOtel then she wouldnt even consider going in the first place. I think most of these girls give up on trying to sell in the ever changing industry and resort to other ways of making money. Negotiating money to go to a hotel for XX act takes no selling skills at all.
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Do Non-Extra dancers become Extras Gals?
Sometimes. Is this a rhetorical question?
As noted by TM, B and others, given the state of the business today, those that can't really sell the traditional SC experience may find themselves doing extras in lieu of developing those needed salesmanship skills. Good SS goes a long way, sometimes.
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um, it takes selling skills to negotiate actual sex, though in a different respect than selling the illusion of sex. there are girls who never learn to charge the most for extras, just as there are girls who constantly price-cut on their dances/vip time because they don't know how to make money selling the songs at full price.
and in a certain sense, extras can involve less direct contact in the minds of many extras girls, especially in high-contact clubs/cities. putting your mouth on the guy or bending over in a booth/vip room or sitting in his lap is less invasive to the girls than the guy pawing all over them or them having to dance defensively. a lot of the extras girls i worked with were horrified that i enjoyed one-way and sometimes two-way contact within my own personal limits. cuddling with a customer fully dressed (as an example) was more repulsive and invasive of their personal space to them than doing extras. also, doing an act for a lump sum of money often seems more worth it than dance after dance after dance to many extras dancers.
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I prefer they take the giant leap from ITC non-extra to OTC extra. No reason for the club to take their cut ;)
FBR
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Originally Posted by miabella
um, it takes selling skills to negotiate actual sex, though in a different respect than selling the illusion of sex. there are girls who never learn to charge the most for extras, just as there are girls who constantly price-cut on their dances/vip time because they don't know how to make money selling the songs at full price.
This is so true. I prefer to take things OTC where extras are involved but I never refuse whats offered...well, almost never. The fact is I have never paid extra for anything "extra". This includes a HJ today on 2 for 1 day at a favorite club.
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Originally Posted by Vegas_dancer
Moral of the story is that it seems to me that girls who do extras do it because they have no idea how to actually sell, how to provide customers with entertainment without putting out. Girls who arent making enough money to suit them think they need to start providing extras in order to increase their income when the reality of it is, if they learned how to do thier job better, they would never even need to concider offering extras.
Hmm thats a loaded statement, LOL. Many escorts are excellent entertainers, that why the realy upscale ones make 20,000 in a week. You can fuck and still be biz-talented, lol. :) My escort friends tell me alot of cool stories, hehehe /:O
Its just the damn stripitute gals who have no imagination/selling skills.:( I had a situation like Vegas did. Really strange phenomenon...
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My escort friends tell me alot of cool stories, hehehe
haha, I'd like to hear some of the crazy stuff that goes on, do tell ^ ^. Shocking to me what some guys consider "turn on", I feel it's justified to have legal prostitution.. obviously theres men out there who just can't live out they're fantasies at home, that an also no man out there can get sex with whoever an whenever he wants without prostitution.... unless he's gay.
But in related to the forum. I know girls that would give extra's for free because they merge they're sex life with they're work life. A common thing I've seen, Theres a few girls that can't get off sexually unless it's at work. This is usually with a customer they've known awhile an are comfortable he's a non-sleaze. Obviously these girls have issues but I dont' see how to help, they are kinda crazy catty, moody bitches one second then trying to unzip your pants the next. messed up!
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When do non-extras girls become extras girls? I believe its at 15,000 ft above sea level. The transformation then takes effect. Its a fascinating wonder of nature, not to be missed!
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Every extras girl was a non-extras girl at one point. But not every non-extras girl becomes an extras girl.
That's like saying all lambs are sheep but not all sheep are lambs.
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Originally Posted by lilithmorrigan
Every extras girl was a non-extras girl at one point. But not every non-extras girl becomes an extras girl.
That's like saying all lambs are sheep but not all sheep are lambs.
Agreed, being a 20 year plus veteran of clubs (read PL/SCJunkie) I have seen girls change with the times and do things they swore they would never do when I first met them. At the same time I've seen dancers move to countless new clubs to avoid having to push their boundaries or stay at the same dead club for the same reason. An odd recent trend I'm seeing in my area is dancers leaving extras clubs and going back to low or no contact clubs-the money is about the same right now in the Boston/Providence area.
The exception to this seems to be the less than attractive dancers that many club owners are hiring these days just to collect a house fee and fill in the schedule. Most of these ladies are making just-better-than-Walmart money by lowering the standards and increasing the contact level in just about every club that hires them...
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if you catch them on the right night some of the non-extra girls will do just about anything.
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^^And it's this kind of customer thinking which played a huge role in my decision to get the FUCK out of the business. Customers appear to be trying, more and more, to take advantage of the precarious financial situation that many dancers are finding themselves in.
There are those extras girls out there who are fine with making money by providing sexual contact. However, it appears to me that lots of non-extra girls turn to extras out of either desperation or frustration. True, they could move to another club, but some are just too afraid of change to uproot themselves like that (for whatever reason).
It starts with little things - little lick of the nipple here...little pussy grab there...grab the dick over the pants just this once...maybe go under the pants the next time...etc, etc...and then for many girls, it just snowballs. And if they work in a city where extras are encouraged, it just makes matters worse. It's hard to find a club where it won't be happening.
In the bigger scheme of things, I don't judge a woman who chooses to sell sexual services. What I do judge is this - are you hurting yourself emotionally by engaging in such behavior and are you affecting the quality of other people's jobs and livelihood's by engaging in the behavior at a strip club? If the answer to either of those questions is yes, then the extras girls are wrong for what they are doing.
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Competition for the almighty $$ brings out the best and worst in people...What is an "extra" in one area is not in another as this is very relative to the area of the country we are talking about.
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Originally Posted by BrainyDancerGirl
^^And it's this kind of customer thinking which played a huge role in my decision to get the FUCK out of the business. Customers appear to be trying, more and more, to take advantage of the precarious financial situation that many dancers are finding themselves in.
what the fuck i ment was i've had dancers who had done the standard low or no contact lapper for years decide to go fucking wild for one night & one night only.
was i taking advantage, no did i try to initiate it, no. they took it all upon themselves i just sat back & enjoyed the ride knowing it probably would never happen again.
i'm sure when you were getting your tits sucked it was the customers fault for not closing his mouth when you shoved your nipple in it!
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When you make a comparison to the areas where "extras" HJ, BJ, FS are the norm aka with little Law Enforcement issues or enforcement (like Quebec Canada for example) compared to areas where it is squeaky clean aka due to overly restrictive legislation and active enforcement of laws (Cincy, Ohio), the extras clubs and gals definetely earn more $$$. What is happening in areas where extras are the norm, is competition from the escort & massage parlors for a lot less $$$ for the same services with litlle or no Law Enforcement issues. In areas like Cincy, you see some dancers working OTC and some doing just straight legit private parties with no sex acts, who are competing with the dancers doing it all to earn more $$$... whats is all mean? There is always competition for the almighty $$$ regardless of what the status quo is in your playground. It's all relative to what the moral "norm" is in your particular area.
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Originally Posted by dippidy dave
i'm sure when you were getting your tits sucked it was the customers fault for not closing his mouth when you shoved your nipple in it!
For your information, dippidy do-dumbass, I didn't DO extras. I quit before it could get to that point.
The "slippery slope" example was based on things I have seen and how a girl could possibly progress to extras. It's a "little by little" thing. Rarely have I ever seen a girl say, "I won't let you lick my tit!" go from that to full blown sex overnight. It happens gradually.
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If the customer looks like this:
http://www.industrylosangeles.com/si...w6-300x405.jpg
Then extras are freely offered;).
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^^^ HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Hottie like that could EASILY get extras any fucking place he goes to!!!!