Sitting a bit further for a free show?
Helloo...i was wondering, in my club there are seats around the stage for the tip rail...then there are seats a little further but in still good view of the stage. some guys jus sit in the seats a little further away. and just watch the free show! i smile at them, wink at them, give them a come hither look...but barely any come up to the stage to tip me. ???? what is this, haha? maybe they are shy or just cheapskates?
how can i encourage them to approach the stage and tip?
Also, i know its metioned before about custys sitting by the tiprail but not tipping. but i couldnt find some answers. what do you do if they just sit there and stare/smile? if theres another thread that has answers to it, if u can direct it to me, it wud be wonderful.
anyways. thanks everyone who replies!
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Not much has been addressed here about stage earnings, unfortunately. And a lot of dancers around the US make a decent amount of their income from their stage tips. I mean, if you gotta be up there, you might as well be making money, right?
I suggest that you make your rounds of the room and encourage the guys to come sit stageside when you are up. This works wonders in getting your stage packed. The guys have a heard mentality, and if even 3 guys are getting up to see you at the stage, it get's the rest moving in that direction, too. Like they want to see what all the fuss is about.
Once you are on the stage, stay standing (avoid floor work or keep it to a minimum) for your first song. This is the time to pull out the impressive tricks to get the stage side seats filled. Even if it is normal to collect your tips through out your stage set, make a show of gathering you cash when the song ends. Approch any customers who haven't tipped and make a show of either holding out the garter or whatever for them to tip you. If the customer is not prepared to tip, he will feel silly, and start digging around, just say "I'll catch you next time around."
If a customer is being purposely cheap, I play the stare down game with them. I'll linger in front of him for about 30-45 seconds holding my garter so he can tip, and just stare at him. This takes work. Not too many people can pull this off. The typical stare lasts 6 seconds, so 30-45 seconds seems like forever when you are staring at a cheapo customer. But he will tip because he will want you to stop staring at him, so basically he tips due to his discomfort!:P
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I have worked the stare down before ~ it does work however I feel a tad bit of negative energy building up waiting and thinking " get the fu*k over here!"
My friend leogirl is having great success with keeping a devilishly seductive smile, locked on eye contact, squatting gracefully with one knee up and to finish them off ~ the come hither finger motion. I have yet to see it fail for her. Now if I could squat down w/o falling over .... I might try it by acting coy, pushing my shoulder and chin together ( while smiling of course ) and do the finger curl by my cheek. Standing.
Sorry leogirl, I am giving away your secrets ~ }:D:-X:-*
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Originally Posted by Paris
Not much has been addressed here about stage earnings, unfortunately. And a lot of dancers around the US make a decent amount of their income from their stage tips. I mean, if you gotta be up there, you might as well be making money, right?
I suggest that you make your rounds of the room and encourage the guys to come sit stageside when you are up. This works wonders in getting your stage packed. The guys have a heard mentality, and if even 3 guys are getting up to see you at the stage, it get's the rest moving in that direction, too. Like they want to see what all the fuss is about.
Once you are on the stage, stay standing (avoid floor work or keep it to a minimum) for your first song. This is the time to pull out the impressive tricks to get the stage side seats filled. Even if it is normal to collect your tips through out your stage set, make a show of gathering you cash when the song ends. Approch any customers who haven't tipped and make a show of either holding out the garter or whatever for them to tip you. If the customer is not prepared to tip, he will feel silly, and start digging around, just say "I'll catch you next time around."
If a customer is being purposely cheap, I play the stare down game with them. I'll linger in front of him for about 30-45 seconds holding my garter so he can tip, and just stare at him. This takes work. Not too many people can pull this off. The typical stare lasts 6 seconds, so 30-45 seconds seems like forever when you are staring at a cheapo customer. But he will tip because he will want you to stop staring at him, so basically he tips due to his discomfort!:P
great advice! however, wut do u mean "make a show of collecting yer money at the end"? we usually got to rush off stage for the next girl, so i jus grab my money and leave! i sort of feel like a dork tho haha! but good advice on telling guys 2 visit u and making other guys wut the big fuss is about.
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First let me say that customers who sit back aren't necessarily cheepskates. Customers who are familiar with the SC scene know that to sit at the tip rail means to tip early and often, but also that they are usually off limits for dancers to approach for private dances. Customers who are sitting back may be doing so because they are more interested in spending their money on private dances vs stage tips. Yeah, I've always felt that if you are watching the dancer on stage you get up and tip her, otherwise watch the TV or something else; however, not all guys think that way.
Anyway back to your question, I already posted a response in your other thread, "Approaching Tippers From Stage", so I won't really focus too much of this response on the guys at the tip rail.
Like Paris said it is always a good idea to work on cultivating your stage show crowd. After you've given a dance ask if he's gonna hang around for little while longer and invite the customer to come up and see you the next time on stage. You might not get another dance from him that night, but may still get a few extra bucks in some stage tips. ... After talking to a customer, if declines a dance offer, you can still smile and invite him to come up and see you on your next stage set. ... Just before your stage set you can go around the club and remind guys that you'll be on stage soon and would love to see them come up and say "hi". ... When you finally take the stage hopefully you will have filled those tip rail seats. Once you've finnished working the guys at the tip rail, if you still have time you can try to get the guys who are sitting back to come up and approach. Making eye contact, and a big smile are important, as you are trying to draw them in. I've always been impressed with the "come hither" finger motion that Yolanda mentioned. You can also mouth "come up here" or something else to him, or blow him a kiss. The thing is you are trying to make a connection with him to draw him up. If he just sits there like a lump, then you can give him a dissapointed pout, and move your attention over to the next customer.
As far as the stare down with a non tipper at the tip rail ... Yeah, sometimes it's uncomfortable but necessary. Also, when the guy is just a clueless dope and decides not to tip, if you've sat there for a bit others will see it and pick up on it. You'll usually make up the lost tip from the other guys around the tip rail in sympathy tips for having to deal with such a disrespectful moron. Heh.
Making a show of collecting your stage stips is always cool and can add some extra flare to your routine vs. just working your way down the line. When you get really good at it, you'll learn how to instigate a bidding war. ;)
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I want to blow up the tip rail.
Only the cheep asses who don't tip sit at the tip rail. Wtf! It's always the guys who have to get up and walk five or ten feet who tip....so I always make sure to smile and thank them.
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Forgot to mention that you should keep in mind how busy the club is when inviting guys to your stage set. If it's a busy night with a full tip rail, than you may not feel the need to extend invitations. Cultivating stage tips is more important when the club is slow and there are clearly open seats available at the rail. I say this because when you do invite someone up, you want to try to make sure you can get to them if they do come up to see you. It can end up hurting your hustle if you give out an invitation, the guys come up, and then you never make it over to see him. He's kind of left with the feeling of, "Why did I bother to come up here?" It may leave a bad taste in his mouth and a negative impression of you.
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Originally Posted by Paris
...I suggest that you make your rounds of the room and encourage the guys to come sit stageside when you are up...
This was one of the most important parts of my hustle when I worked in Ca. At my two fave clubs I danced I would "invite" the guys to the stage, you could see a huge difference in the times you did and didn't. I would just go around and be flirtatious with all the guys I would pass by, saying hello or winking and waving and I'd say "You're going to come see me on stage right? I put on a great show!"
Sometimes guys just want to feel like they've been seen, sometimes you need to make them feel guilty if they were to sit there and not go up! ;) I always followed up by going to the customers and thanking them again after my set and the tip from stage. If they didn't go up I'd say something like, "I didn't see you up there, next time, right!"
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I've seen dancers come off the stage, and demand a tip from the guy sitting right behind the tip rail. It's pretty funny. I could never do that though, if he doesn't want to tip- screw 'em, there are other customers to dance for in the club.
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I don't go to strip clubs much, but when I do I give each a girl at least a dollar even if I'm sitting in the back of the room. I feel it's an obligatory courtesy.
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Originally Posted by Windy
great advice! however, wut do u mean "make a show of collecting yer money at the end"? we usually got to rush off stage for the next girl, so i jus grab my money and leave! i sort of feel like a dork tho haha! but good advice on telling guys 2 visit u and making other guys wut the big fuss is about.
Always thank the customers and show appreciation for their generiousity. I wink, blow kisses, give quick pecks on the cheek, offer a hand shake etc. etc.
That gves Mr. Tightwad a chance to dig that lonely dollar out to tip at the end of your stage show. Show him the same appreciation and also thank him for his tip, too. Even if he never tips you another dollar, he may share how great you are with his friends who do tip well ;) .
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If I see a guy watching me closely, I will just stop and say, hey, come here sexy, and smile. Usually they will get up and walk over, I give them a little show, and hold out my garter. If they actually walk up and giev me something, when Im done on stage I walk over to them, thank them for the tip, and ask if they would like company.
if they dont walk up, I know they must be cheap and justthere for a free show, so I dont waste my time, and give more attention to the tippign customers.
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You have to be careful waiting on the cheepskates. If you push it to long you may end up looking cheap yourself. I've seen girls get ugly in front of the whole crowd when someone doesn't want to tip. This makes them look bad and they loose any respect they may have had from a potential customer who would have spent a lot on them.
If you spend to much time waiting for a dollar you look desparate.... not good marketing!
If you work in a classy club, be classy!
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We have had nights where not a single guy is sitting stage-side, or maybe there are a couple, but the other girl on stage is keeping them busy...(we do two girl stage sets) so I will do the come hither finger routine.
I pick out the guy sitting a bit back, the one who is watching, not chatting it up with a budy, not busy lighting a smoke, but Watching. I go down, one knee lower than the other and kind of twist (the best angle I can get to flatter my body and then smirk at him and give the finger......the come here finger ofcourse!
As soon as he stands up he gets a really big smile and I'll crawl over and thank him for coming to play with me.
Once I do this, I find that a few other guys will wander up as well, and usually the guy I called up will stick around for the entire stage and hand over a few more dollars.
So, I guess I would advise, don't be shy, you want something, ask for it. The worst that can happen is you don't get it.
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Would it be worth it to, when a guy turns you down for a dance, say something like "Well, I'll be on stage in a bit, come take a look and I'll change your mind. *wink*" ?
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Originally Posted by Momomix
Would it be worth it to, when a guy turns you down for a dance, say something like "Well, I'll be on stage in a bit, come take a look and I'll change your mind. *wink*" ?
I ALWAYS did this! It's just good to be friendly and flirty and not to let a guy think it's ruined your night because he didn't take you up on that dance right then!