Looks like it was a combo of a drugged out girl who lied for whatever reason, and a DA who tried to use it to get reelected. Disgusting.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/...n2082140.shtml
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Looks like it was a combo of a drugged out girl who lied for whatever reason, and a DA who tried to use it to get reelected. Disgusting.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/...n2082140.shtml
Wow. that sucks....if this is indeed true, i feel very bad for the boys who were accused. as a victim of sexual assult, i am a strong advocate for a rape victim's rights, so long as she is not lying. if she is lying, she not only makes it harder for real victims to be taken seriously, but she also ruins the lives of the accused.
shame. shame. shame.
I watched the whole 60 minutes story last night. The evidence that there is no case is overwhelming. The DA should be strung up.
I wish I could say that I can't believe there are people who would intentionally corrupt our justice process to advance themselves... but I see it happening all of the time.
Should these threads be combined?
"Follow up to Duke Rape Case"
http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=64704
If they are combined I imagine a lot of editing is in order LOL . Thats why I think its so improtant for people to at least sit on for Jury duty a couple of times and see how our system works . Although its not perfect and there are many cases which I still question in my mind ( Ya you know the ones ) it sure can be a media circus out there . I had my wife keep the papers for the week I was on the jury duty so I could compare my notes after the trail had ended . How amazing it was to see how the words were so twisted into totally different circumstances .
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Originally Posted by verfolgung
That is a horrifying thought that it's all bullshit. I'm still very surprised they didn't speak out. But if this DA had a vendetta (and given the prior conviction of one or two of them) no wonder they layed low so long.
That's really not going to make US look good. It's hard enough to be taken seriously when you're raped and a stripper. You obviously deserved it. But one finally goes to court and it's all lies? Yay for not ever being taken seriously again.
So much for OTC stipper parties in that part of the country. Rent a stripper she might be crazy enough to call ya a rapist!
EXACTLY my thoughts, Lilith. I don't know who it bodes worse for, strippers or rape victims. If you're both, you're SOL. Ugh.Quote:
Originally Posted by lilithmorrigan
Shouldn't 60 mins and all the other news stories about criminal cases happen AFTER the court case is finished and not BEFORE it even starts?
So much for a fair trial in this country anymore :(
We can tell YOU'RE from Canada! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Fan_Dancer
Interesting you choose this particular trial to talk about it "being fair" when it is charging ahead with no evidence, indeed has exculpatory evidence for one of the accused, and witnesses are all saying something different from the accuser!
What is fair - to let these kids get thrown in jail and THEN start mentioning all the failings of the case?
^^^ as I posted in the original Duke Rape Case thread, the outcome of this trial ... if there still is a trial ... will be to reinforce the American public's stereotype that all dancers are lying, thieving, unsuitable parent, alcohol / drug-abusing whores who will say or do anything. In terms of future interactions with cops, judges and juries, the Duke Rape Case is likely to put dancers in the position of having to produce 'hard evidence' that an actual crime has been committed against them before their statements will be taken seriously. This will absolutely be the case if and when the accused Duke players bring civil suits against the DA / county attempting to recover millions of dollars in 'lost future income potential' due to the permanent negative career effects and the media stigma resulting from the DA / county's decision to prosecute them.
The Duke Rape Case also will create a de-facto precedent that any 'rich and powerful' customer can claim as a defense that a dancer is lying through her teeth when bringing charges of any sort against them in order to 'extort money' from the customer in exchange for dropping the charges. Thus the probable outcome of future cases of dancers being raped, assaulted etc. by customers will be that, short of the 'hard evidence' of a surveillance tape, not only will nobody will believe that a rape / assault actually took place, but suspicion will be focused on the dancer who brought the charges rather than the customer !
The Duke Rape Case is also likely to cause a review of 'rape shield' laws which presently allow the alleged rape victim to avoid public identification and public scrutiny - which will have a negative result not only for dancers but for any future rape victims.
And on a non-criminal level, the results of the Duke Rape Case illustrating how any media connection between 'rich and powerful' guys and 'strippers' can result in damage to business reputations and future earnings potentials will not escape the notice of other 'rich and powerful' guys, as well as the corporations that they run / work for. This will only serve to dissuade 'rich and powerful' guys from going to clubs ... or at least to clubs that don't specifically cater to 'rich and powerful' guys. This will also serve to strengthen corporate directives that employees not patronize clubs or 'strippers' in order to avoid risk of false accusations and the resulting negative publicity. So in that sense, 'Nikki's' false accusations have cost every dancer in America some degree of lost income, on top of a further loss of what little 'credibility' they might have previously had in a 'her word vs customers' word' or 'her word versus cops' word' situation.
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^ Well said, Melonie.
<S> Melonie
Do you think it would help that we, the stripperweb members, prepared a press release to the effect of "Hey! We aren't all drugged up liars!" ?
Just like not every senator is a perv sending pornographic emails to teenage pages, not every stripper is a liar/whore/greedy bitch.
I don't know if it would help or not, but it is likely to get published by some organization or another because, well, it's strippers! The headline of "Strippers speak out about Duke LaCross scandal" will sell papers (or magazines or whatever).
^^^ I really like that idea. I think it could make a very good impression. We're in the spotlight anyway, and people are making judgements about both strippers and rape vistims whether we like it or not, so why not at least attempt to get some control over public perceptions/generalizations about us? Especially if the statement is (1) intelligently written and (2) strongly condemns false accusations as both dangerous to honest strippers and horrifically unfair to the accused.
Unfortunatly the down side to a press release is that this community could support the amount of attention it got. We'd be the target of every stripper hating mom and stripper loving dad in front of a keyboard if it got any real attention in the media.
The fact is, the only way this can change is that you, as strippers/dj's/bouncers/managers/owners stick up for your integrity as individuals.
Just because that technician lied, doesn't mean I lied. This has to be reinforced. No combined effort will change the viewpoint of the masses, only spider marketing of sorts that reinforce positive word of mouth when referring to the community can help in the place that we don't stand up for ourselves as individuals with integrity. I am a good person, therefor I am a good stripper.
I don't know if what I said makes any sense, but in closing, does anyone else see a strong similarity to politicians?
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I thought of that, too. My main thought was not to send the press release as a stripperweb condoned item, but a collaboration of the members and us signing our own individual names to the release. We could reference our individual myspace accounts or other personal websites and diffuse the heavy traffic that would be driven to stripperweb.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mastridonicus
I can deal with haters on myspace. Just press "delete" and I'm done. But here it is a little harder to do that to our members, especically the ones who aren't interested in participating in this kind of public statement.
Anyone who is interested in collaborating with me on this project, please send me a PM. I'll likely post this as a separate subject on stripperweb in SG or Member Boards (or both).
I think you're right but for the wrong reasons. From what I saw, the DA isn't trying for a fair trail it's a kangaroo court.. and the DA and Duke University tried them in public without looking at evidence, ignoring evidence that proves them innocent, and in general ruining the lives of the boys with blatant disregard for facts. :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Fan_Dancer
It is sad, but I believe that if you look at the pictures from the ATM machines, the pictures of the girl drunk with bruises on her legs (before the alleged attack), the complete lack of DNA, etc. etc. The other dancer saying she is a liar; you are left with WTF.. Guilty because they are privileged college boys..
This is accurate.Quote:
No combined effort will change the viewpoint of the masses, only spider marketing of sorts that reinforce positive word of mouth when referring to the community can help in the place that we don't stand up for ourselves as individuals with integrity. I am a good person, therefor I am a good stripper.
Unless strippers hired a national PR/Ad firm or (even better) hired a firm on K Street in DC, you're not going to get anything to substantively change peoples' hardwired, preconceived notions of women in the sex industry, including strippers.
The best you can do is live by example--make people shocked, shocked that you can strip and grind and still be a good neighbor. You can certain be my neighbor. Ahem. ;)
They'll get a fair hearing. Those guys though...they have already been raked across the coals. Is that fair?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fan_Dancer
What I don't understand is this; what did this dancer have to gain from accusing the players falsley?
Press? Who wants to be known as a raped stripper?
Money? You cant sue for getting raped, so I dont get that either.
I still cannot wrap my brain around this case. I really had hoped that this chick was telling the truth--I get STEAMED when I hear about rapes--I think its the worst thng that someone can do to another human being.
COuld it be that people were paid off to say that it never happened? Just wondering, cuz i still dont get the reason to lie.
I'm thinking yes. I don't see what her point would've been to lie about it either. It's not unheard of for rape victims to suddenly "see the light" and decide to "tell the truth" that it "never happened". I was bullied into something like that as a kid but you bet your ass the fucker DID do it - I was just too scared and too young to stand up for myself. I kinda wonder how many others something like this has happened to...Quote:
Originally Posted by AkashaM
Yeah, I believe the frat brats raped her. And I believe their mommy-daddy's money made it go away :mad:
But, the girl who was not alleging rape told the same story from the beginning. And that story was that nothing happened.
Now it turns out that she was out on bail on another charge and the DA had her bail revoked so he could put her back in jail and keep her away from the press.
We all know that sometimes shit happens and I have read some situations that happened to girls on this board where they should have filed charges and the assholes should have been put away. But, looking at this situation, I wouldn't put a lot of credibility in the girl making the allegations. Her story keeps changing and everyone elses stays the same.
So why do you thing they did it in this specific situation?
There are people who make up stories about being assaulted, sexually or otherwise. Guys, girls, kids. Social workers, victims advocates, and prosecutors don't like to admit it or talk about it, but it happens. Not as often as actual assaults happen, of course, but on a recurring basis.
The primary tragedy of a false accusation in sex cases today is the trauma on the wrongfully accused. As we see here, no matter what the evidence may be to the contrary, there are those who will always consider an accused person guilty. The real hazard for the wrongfully accused is that in many states, the lifetime sentence that applies to a conviction is so severe that they are often compelled to plea-bargain to something they didn't commit just in order to lessen the risk of consequences of a potential conviction.
This then creates the collateral tragedies of lowering the plea bargain/punishment bar for the real perpetrators and calls into deeper question the victims in cases that are not so clear-cut. Just like there are people who will always believe that an accused assaulter is guilty, there are people who will always tend to disbelieve the story of an assault victim who isn't sporting deep bruising or knife wounds.
Most people accused of crimes have committed them, and life is horrible for their victims. But some people do make shit up, and life is horrible for the innocent accused. That's the sad fact of both sides. I'm not talking philosophically. I'm talking as a matter of observation of these cases.
Bridgette, the other girl there pretty much said nothing happened. No DNA, wholly trumped charges by a grandstanding DA....I don't see how you can think they raped her with all the things that say that nothing happened.
What if that was your son and he was being falsely accused?