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London....Is it possible to earn up to 500+ on a daily basis???
Hi, I am here in London for a few months now and I came here because I really hoped to save up some dough from dancing.....
Well well well its not what I've expected, I hear from some girls that there are pubs where earnings can go up to 500+ a day at the Old Axe, Browns and White Horse......Ok so I called them and they are to full with (Brazil)girls??? Thats it??? they even did not see me or see me dance on the pole and allready i am getting a no?????
Its bloody harder to get a audition for a f*cking strip pub in London then to get a audition for a musical on the west end :O!!!!!!!
So ok a few days agoo i heard from a dancer that Stringfellows can make up to 2000+ pound a night ::)?????? Yeah right from only sitdowns....if thats true those girls at StringFellows make more then the lady's at the Amsterdam red lights :O I don't know what to believe????
Can somebody tell me just the truth if its possible to earn up to 500 on a daily basis (so not once in a while)in clubs/pubs where you don't have to drink champagne..........
Just want to know the truth.....because lot of these girls lie about what's in there wallet!!!
Just want to know the avarage earnings for a good poledancer here in London....
Sorry to say so but there are to many girls dancing who have no ABSOLUTLY NO talent for dancing, yes maybe they have the looks but by farrrr they are NOT adult entertainers!!! They are not sexy, they are not in the mood to work at all......Sometimes I really think what they are doing in this biz???? because they make these places 'full' so that other GOOD dancers don't even get a chance to get a audition...... :-\
In some clubs you do a 'job interview' uhhhh??? a job interview for what whyyyyyy ????? I thought that its about dancing and seducing on stage????? not about being a hostess?
Well I hope to get some honest anwsers here on this forum from lady's who dance in London regulary.....
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Re: London....Is it possible to earn up to 500+ on a daily basis???
I'm not a dancer just a customer. I think it's unlikley that any club in London would give £500 a shift every shift. Places like Browns and the White Horse pay between £100 and £500 a shift { normally around 4 hours} depending on the time of day and day of the week. At Browns/Griffin you might get 2 shifts on some days.The Axe is crap has more girls and less customers but the other 2 are difficult to get jobs at { Browns has lots of Brazilians but the WH has a lot less} which suggest to me that they pay at least as well consistently as any of the clubs. The poshest 2 clubs in London are Spearmint and Stringfellows and I am sure you can earn top money at those on some nights but not consistently as they both have quiet nights and lots of girls.
Tyke
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Re: London....Is it possible to earn up to 500+ on a daily basis???
um, the reason why clubs hire hot girls who cant dance, is cos in time the hot chicks will learn to dance. an ugly chick who can dance will never learn to be hot.
and 500 pounds a night is alot for consistant money!!
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Re: London....Is it possible to earn up to 500+ on a daily basis???
Im pretty sure Mermaid wasnt implying that you or anyone else is ugly!
The long and the short of the whole London thing is that people flock from all over the world to try and make money in London. Hence the situation of clubs having more girls than they can poke sticks at. When I was in London last year it took a couple of months or more for some of the clubs to call me back for auditions - this was how long it took for a space to come up. You may have better success in other cities.
Its often sales skills not looks and / or tallent that work in this industry anyway.
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Originally Posted by Zipporah
So what are you saying? That good dancers are ugly? I was not talking about ugly chicks i was talking about dancers and non dancers.....(Dont understand why you are bringin the subject:'an ugly chick' does that reply to me or something? If it does I can be very short about that: go f*ck yourself everybody has there own taste)A good adult entertainer HAS to be hot!!! a chick with good looks who can not dance is sometimes far from hot ,and being sexy to males is something you can not learn ,saw enough specially here in London good looks but like i said far from sexy and very not in the mood like they hate there job, if you come to work hating your job you can look like a model but be not sexy.....
But whatever these clubs/pubs don't even give auditions if you call.....With out even seeing you or see you dance....
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Re: London....Is it possible to earn up to 500+ on a daily basis???
Hi, ok now I understand....(Sorry then for my kind of rude reply).....I still going to keep on trying till Februari.....Hell maybe I try the burlesque/cabaret scene I guess its easier getting an auditition in that scene then in the strippubs....I guess the Us is much better then London anyway for stripping, but its very hard to get a visum......
:-\ Pitty that London is like this it failed all my expectations :-\
Allthough London its self is a great town !!!
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Re: London....Is it possible to earn up to 500+ on a daily basis???
Yeah I was dissapointed too work wise, but i had a greattime anyway! (-:
Good luck with the burlesque thing!
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Re: London....Is it possible to earn up to 500+ on a daily basis???
Hi,
I'm also a customer, and I'll cover the out of central London Pubs. (Tyke covered central London).
The two groups of pubs I know best are run by Entertease (www.entertease.com) and Angels Exotic (www.angelsexotic.co.uk). There also an agency called Promises (www.promises-agency.co.uk) - I've never really visited their pubs. Typically you can get 2 - 3 shifts a month at each pub on their books.
Earnings depend on the pub, shift and day of the week. It you're reasonably good for hustling for PD's expect to clear £80 - £120 average profit per shift. (On a bad shift it might go as low as £30 - £50, one a good one you might get up towards £200.
If you do the outer London pubs, you need to think about transport. For example the Peel (an Angles Exotic pub) nominally closes at 11 on Friday/Saturday nights. If it's busy they stay open to 12 or even 1, by which time public transport has stopped. You'll need a reliable lift.
You could probably get fairly immediate work with the above, but you'll not get the good shifts immediately.
Also remember London is not a cheap place to live - I'd budget on a minimum of £800 a month to cvover very basic costs (room in a shared house, food, oter bills, transport, etc).
Phil.
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Re: London....Is it possible to earn up to 500+ on a daily basis???
Thanks everybody!!
Yes Phil the living in London is extremly expensive!!! i need up to 1500 a month just for my studio, food, sigarets, make up for stage etc and i want to save money on top of it pfffff very hard......
Does anybody know wich agency covers for the central pubs like White Horse and Old Axe???? or maybe agency's that cover even pubs like Flying Scotsmen, Rainbow sports, nags head etc???? i tryed to call all of the last i mention but they never ever pick up the phone or the line is dead....
Next week i try Browns/Griffin its just a pitty over there that i can not do directly a audition instead of a jobinterview.....
And maybe i try at Stringfellows lets see what that place can make its idealy located thats a fact!
Well again thanks for all'yall reply's and I hope this London dance can make some money otherwise i try this cabaret scene..... ;)
If not head back to Amsterdam or try at Larry Flynts Paris club....I heard from a few friends of mine its good and i read on the club review positive things about it....
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Re: London....Is it possible to earn up to 500+ on a daily basis???
Tyke will probably know a bit more about booking arrangements as I rarely go into the central London pubs.
I'd suggest you go into the Olde Axe, Rainbow Sports Bar and Scotsman for a look round before you even consider working there. Axe/Rainbow make their money from shift fees and put on as many girls as they can get away with - over 20 a shift for a pub!!!! Many are Brazilain girls who don't mind crap money (and who may not have work permits anyway). Scotsman is a sh*thole often full of drunks.
Axe and Scotsman I believe book direct. Rainbow Sport Bar used to be the Rainbow Agency (hence the name), but this might have changed.
I believe Browns/Griffin book their own girls as does the White Horse.
Burlesque/cabaret scene I know little about, but I don't believe it's a good earner.
Basically there are four ways for a dancer to make money in London - the dancers I know often do 2 or 3. The ways are:
(a) Lap Dance Clubs: Spearmint, FYEO, etc.
(b) Strip Pubs.
(c) Private parties.
(d) Stag shows.
The first two you probably know about.
Private parties are basically unlicenced shows run to get around Londons rules and regulations. Some are mild and about the same as pub shows. Others are pretty full contact where guys pay more for a lot more contact than in legally allowed, (including extras).
Stags are basically toy shows done for rugby clubs, football clubs, one off shows for pubs, etc. Typically 3 girls and a comedian. 2 solo spots per girl, then lesbian spot. (Can also involve extras at the bluer stags).
You will generally walk away with £200+ from a stag. Earnings from private parties depend on building up a 'stable' of regulars who'll come along to see you and spend on you.
To do private parties and stags (if you even want to) you'll need to work the pubs to build up the contacts to get into that scene.
If you're having touble getting work, I'd suggest contacting Entertease/Angels Exotic, where you should be able to pick up shifts quicky. If you befriend some of the more experienced dancers, they should be able to give you better information about how to maximise your earnings, etc.
Hope this helps...
Phil.
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Re: London....Is it possible to earn up to 500+ on a daily basis???
Phil's account of everything seems to be pretty accurate. Browns/Griffin and the White Horse book direct { as does Axe, Flying Scot, etc}, they are very fussy because they are good places to work. If you work for Browns you will get 4/5/6 bookings a week which will probably be enough, if you work at the WH you will only get 2 bookings a week so you will probably need to work elsewhere.
If you want to start tommorow look at the places who advertise in the Stage { Venus, Metropolis, Windmill} every week, they are not great places to work but you will get taken on quickly. All this audtion stuff only works at Browns and the WH because all the girls who know the system like working there, most other clubs will take you on straight away.
Tyke
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Re: London....Is it possible to earn up to 500+ on a daily basis???
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Originally Posted by aussiepunkshocker
Im pretty sure Mermaid wasnt implying that you or anyone else is ugly!
lol. god no!! haha i didnt read it that way, thanks for clearing it up for me aussie! :O
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Re: London....Is it possible to earn up to 500+ on a daily basis???
I'm not on 500£ p.n in london, but I don't get the idea that it isn't achievable... I started in August, and while so far this month has been really DEAD dead dead, it's evened out to be really reasonable, and some girls I know at work who have done the job longer and really perfected their technique's are doing considerably better... Maybe just finding the right club/environment for you, but the money should still be there somewhere!
Spearmint I've heard today: Money *might* still be ok BUT they now take a house fee, + 40% OFF of what you earn. I don't know yet if that's just credit/debit or everything, but 40% and house fee... Maww! Stringfellows is like that too, taking 20% off the top of every pound you make.
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Hi thanx for your reply, is this really true that Stringfellows is taking a % on top of the house fee? Lol if they take a % of what girls make on top of the 80 pound housefee then they are pimps!!!! I met a few girls who worked there and they said to me that they payed 50 before the shift and 30 after nothing more??, also i heard that Stringfellows is ok if you only want to work 2 or 3 days a week, but on there website says minimum 4 days ????
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Re: London....Is it possible to earn up to 500+ on a daily basis???
At Stringfellow's the dances are paid for out of tipping dollars, the customer pays £20 and girl gets £16 { I think} when she cashes them in at the end of the night. On top of the house fee there is also a payment for the Hairdesser etc. Spearmint operate a similar system though you can pay cash for dances there as well.
Browns has a house fee , it is { or used to be} £20 to £60 but there are no commisions on either the jug or private dances and most shifts have only 8 girls rising to 12 on the busy late night ones.
Tyke
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Hi ooo ok they have these lapdance vouchers : thats ok i don't mind that!
Yes Browns i hear so many positve things about but they don't give that easy auditions + they decide when you work, i don't really like that i like a liltle bit of freedom, In 2 weeks or so i will try at Stringfellows i will write a review about it ;)
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Re: London....Is it possible to earn up to 500+ on a daily basis???
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Can somebody tell me just the truth if its possible to earn up to 500 on a daily basis (so not once in a while)in clubs/pubs where you don't have to drink champagne..........
Just want to know the truth.....because lot of these girls lie about what's in there wallet!!!
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No, unfortunately it`s not possible.... Not on a daily basis... And most of the girls wish they made 400/500+ at least a few times per week...
Don`t believe what the girls say to you, I knew just a 1 dancer who would make 300 £ even on the shitty night (when all the others went home with nothing),and she could make great money, but even she had a bad night...Like everybody...
So how much YOU can make ?????
xxx
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Re: London....Is it possible to earn up to 500+ on a daily basis???
^^ I agree. You are going to be very disappointed if you expect that much in London.
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I'd say in my club, big emphasis on sitdowns, it's a champagne environ, drinking encouraged. and there are girls who do make the 500 mark, not guaranteed, not necessarily every night, but they do it regularly enough.
I'm suspicious of most things, so when someone says they make 10,000 I find it dubious, my verification in my club is watching them (500+ club) get tipped out night after night and getting more money then me consistently! (except 1 night, my triumph!) not implying anyone makes 10000 btw!!
:All well and good having them brag about money, but when I'm actually behind them and they have stacks of vouchers like bricks I just do the math and try not to ask what they made:) Last saturday I thought I did really well to have my good solid wad of cash only to find the girl in front of me had about 6x more vouchers then I did, and from a customer I chose not to talk to, hehehe. Oh well I still went home happy but kicked myself for stereotyping and thinking the guy wouldn't spend!
Although, in a lot of cases for the 500+ club there it is a combo of A:girls being dirtier B: Good technique been there years C: a fair rotation of regulars. (although the rumors of extras and possibly selling drugs can't be ignored or disproven!!!!!!!!) They may also be manager fav's being informed of high rollers, or maybe they rip off people? I don't know but I'd sure as hell like to move into that pay packet.
I get the occasional night where I make 500+, and the occasional night where I make more, but on average it's about 200 something, a good night is over 300 and a rubbish night is about 100 or under. you get the odd night and spend 4 hours in VIP, but that's the odd night not the rule. I set myself a reasonable target to hit and I've never not achieved it, it evens out to be a entirely liveable income, even for london. seems in this job I either make a lot of money for a little effort, or a little money for a LOT of effort, never more=more less=less. Some weeks I do two nights and thy both kick ass, then if I do 5 nights it's rubbish the whole time and I make the same amount! V. Spooky xx
I have no idea how things are in strip pubs?? Stringfellows you trade all in for heavenly money and they take 20% of that on top of house fee, but some girls I know who have worked there say the money is still worth having a go. Not sure how places are different??? we don't strip on stage and have no tip rail and money is from private dances and sitdowns.
Ok so this reply turned into a rant about the little crew at my club **** Sorry xxx
Hope this helped?? xx
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Re: London....Is it possible to earn up to 500+ on a daily basis???
Hi yes it helped indeed! I also found out till now that it is very hard especcially if i am more foccused on selling dances and not champange.....I talked to a few girls who are honest and they all say that 5 years agoo it could be on a daily basis but now times have changed and its still a better income then a reception job for exaple...so its still ok, just a pitty that saving up some pounds is VERY hard here in London....it would be nice to go back to holland with a big bag of pounds lol...
I think the atmosphere is much better in pubs and the money well it depends, on a double shift(8hours) if you play it right there can be around the 150-200 but to make 500+ in pubs is by far a fantasy even not sometimes, there is almost no way in hell to make 500+ in pubs, that means a girl has to get 40 dances :O lol....
In stripclubs i can imagine with sitdowns it is possible, there are just more 'big spenders' in clubs then in pubs thats a fact.
1 guy told me who came at the pub(he was one of the very few 'big spenders' who also enjoys pubs) that he was 1 night in Stringfellows and a girl was dancing on stage she wasnt really as goodlooking as the rest of the girls but she could dance very good and work the pole so a gentlemen gave her a 3000 pound tip cash :O :P wow at that moment i was in my mind flying around the pole in Stringfellows hahahahahaha So i guess that there ARE spenders in London clubs....
I bet ya'll that never ever in a strip pub a guy gave a 3000p tip just because a lady was dancing nice lol
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Mmm, I'm hoping to head out to London once I get married. My partner has a British passport and that equals easy working visas for me. I will take all this information to heart. I know places to stay there are around 100 a night... but if I make even 200 a night, that means I'll have 600 Australian about. Heehee. So it seems London will be expensive to get to, but once I convert back after my trip, I'll be loaded.
So thank you for this thread.
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Re: London....Is it possible to earn up to 500+ on a daily basis???
Making £500 is quite possible in Browns, the girls do 2/3 strip spots a shift, the men put in £1 minimum per jug per strip spot, the place is sometimes packed with maybe 200 customers. That';s £200 a jug if you can get around everybody , say £350 from 2 strips in the jug plus 8 or 10 private dances in a 4 hour shift, that would easily top £500. It's not like that every night but as they don't charge admission and the beer is at normal pub prices, it's far busier that any of the clubs.
Tyke
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Re: London....Is it possible to earn up to 500+ on a daily basis???
O wow, thanx for that info, i had no idea that there could fit 200 men.....i thought it just was a small pub like Queen Anne, Old Axe rainbow etc....
But is it a rule that ALL the men HAVE to put 1pound minimum?
And how long do the girls have time to collect, if its only 1 song thats not enough time.....
Ok i will try a interview then before i try Stringfellows because i like pubs better then clubs, you convinced me Tyke ;)
The only thing what i heard about Browns from a few girls is they only accept girls with big tits? So when you visited did you see girls with smaller chest??? or is it only c+
Thanx again, ciao
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Re: London....Is it possible to earn up to 500+ on a daily basis???
If you don't put £1 in the jug the girl calls the bouncer and they throw you out. As you go in if the doorman does not know you he will tell you that the £1 thing is not optional !You have about 10 minutes to do your collection so when it is really busy getting around can be a problem. The fire capacity of the place is 300, it is quite big and there is not much seating, the stage is probably about 4ft high and people stand around it. When it's busy later in the week they have a maximum of 12 girls { 8 earlier} a shift so with 150 or 200 customers getting private dances does not involve as much hustle as in the clubs. The PD area is at the back and it's very strictly no touching. Browns had a sister pub called the Griffin in Clerkenwell Rd which operates in the same way but is smaller, it's busier in the afternoons there but not at night.
Browns does not only recruit girls with big tits but they do seem to prefer fairly slim girls and they are also quite strict on age { at 35 you will be shown the door even if your still beautiful and popular}. They do also sack a few girls every now and again to sort of freshen up their roster but some of the girls have worked there for 5 years or more, Sunni who got fired for being 35 last year { still looks fantastic} had worked there for 16 years on and off.
Compared to a club the stage show is important so it helps if you are a good mover. They always interview first, if you get to do an audition the odds of being taken on are quite good. You will need to prove you are legal both from an age and work permit point of view.
As they have few girls they are quite strict on your work paterns and expect you to turn up on time. The DJs, bar staff, bouncers etc are all experienced and know what they are doing. The owners are Denise and Wayne { brother/sister} and they have run the place for nearly 30 years, their parents ran it as a strip bar before.
You won't get somebody tipping you £3k there but I bet that does not happen very often at Stringfellow's either ! It's much more difficult to get a job at Browns { or the White Horse down the road which I as a customer prefer} that at Stringfellow's so that must tell you something.
Tyke
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Hi thanx again, it sounds great and more a place for me then a club.....I am 25 look 18 ,i guess i am a good dancer(well i enjoy to perform stageshows) and i am slim i just dont have the big boobs to match :(
I checked there website so i will be soon contacting them for a interview....
Thanx for the info....
White horse i allready tryed to call 3 times and everytime they say they are full with girls so thats not a option....
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Re: London....Is it possible to earn up to 500+ on a daily basis???
Hi yes it is a great idea, but i can tell you that living here costs also a lot more!!! food, transport etc maybe you can save up 50 or 25 pounds a day....
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Originally Posted by lilithmorrigan
Mmm, I'm hoping to head out to London once I get married. My partner has a British passport and that equals easy working visas for me. I will take all this information to heart. I know places to stay there are around 100 a night... but if I make even 200 a night, that means I'll have 600 Australian about. Heehee. So it seems London will be expensive to get to, but once I convert back after my trip, I'll be loaded.
So thank you for this thread.