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Philadelphia:"alternative" girl, wants to make living wage without turning tricks!!!
I started dancing a couple of months ago in philadelphia, and maybe some of you more experienced dancers can help me out. It seems that there are A LOT of competing clubs in the Philly/South Jersey/Philadelphia suburb area, which seems to make earning a living wage as a dancer, especially a new dancer, challenging. Even though I'm young and cute, i have tattoos and a slightly "alternative" look which makes getting hired at any of the nicer clubs in the area all but impossible.
The problem is that at almost all of the second tier clubs I've worked at, a good number of the women there are turning tricks to make ends meet. I've had days where I've left with less than minimum wage, but turned down several hundred and thousand dollar propositions.
can any of you give me advice on any parts of the country where pretty, young, and alternative girls can make a living wage too, where there aren't quite so many competing strip clubs/whore houses? Are there any clubs in New York that would hire a slightly punky (but still hot) chick where the money could be better? And finally, does anyone know of any upscale places anywhere that dont have a stick up their ass about dancers that have some individuality? I have a couple of tattoos but i have to eat, too. And no whoring!
Thank you,
Lilylucifer
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Re: "alternative" girl, wants to make living wage without turning tricks!!!
One of my really good friends has the goth look going on and she is a stripper, and has been for nearly 5 years. So yes it is possible to have an alternative look and make money, but I will tell you that its harder. She has more of a hardcore look than what you are describing, with sleeves and black hair and piercings and wears all black...nonetheless she finds it difficult to make the kind of money that a normal blonde wearing a hustler outfit will make. My advice is TONE IT DOWN. We are all aware that you enjoy looking alternative, but thats it, YOU enjoy it. When you are at work you are their to appeal to what the CUSTOMER likes and what you like should be secondary. By all means dont make yourself uncomfortable or anything but tone down your look if you find that it hinders your money.
My friend who is goth is ALWAYS bitching about she doesnt make any money but she refuses to try anything different because she isnt a "sellout"...well good for her, she can not "sellout" and be a broke ass goth bitch or lighten the look and roll in the bank. Anyway my point is dont worry about looking "scene" while at work because the dudes dont care how hardcore you they want to see young hot girls, not a freakshow. On a sidenote I am alternative as well, but I have found a way to incorporate the look into my dancing in such way that guys like it.
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Re: "alternative" girl, wants to make living wage without turning tricks!!!
I don't care about looking "scene" at work or "selling out. I try to not look punky but simply put i dont hired at any club where the dancers can make money. Only really run down places where a lot of the girls have to do "extras." I've tried putting concealer on my tattoos and wearing a hair piece over my ass-length dreads, but it still doesnt get me hired. i know that the vast majority of men arent looking at my small tattoos, but rather my large boobs. The problem for me is getting hired in the first place.
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Re: Philadelphia:"alternative" girl, wants to make living wage without turning trick
Um, I think we need pics ;D
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Re: Philadelphia:"alternative" girl, wants to make living wage without turning trick
well, there are a lot of clubs in philly of all types (obv) and delilah's wont hire you or will make you cover up tats. if you have onl;y been dancing a lil bit, i recommend a lower hustle club like Oasis to start at. they dont care about tattoos there. Club Risque could also be a good start too (NatalieFRPhilly would know more on CR). those are both only topless clubs.
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Re: Philadelphia:"alternative" girl, wants to make living wage without turning trick
i have an assload of tattoos as well.
honestly, i can almost promise you it's more about your tattoos than your hair.
i agree with you, a lot of clubs won't hire you for that reason. which i think is ridiculous, because i'm at LEAST an average earner at my club - and it really doesn't ever interfere with sales as long as I target myself right, i still make good money with my appearance! just how some guys aren't into tattoos, some guys aren't into big tits, or blondes, or whatever. i'd say try to find a nicer club that can look past that and see your beauty.
when i worked at a shitty club and wanted a nicer change, none of the PTs would hire me, Penthouse wouldn't hire me, so for my area that left the really shittier clubs, the Hustler, and Hollywood - which is owned by the same guy who owned my current club - it was just the nicer version.
You know what? the Hustler gave me a shot. Hustler clubs are always a lot nicer. I was surprised but very pleased as well.
But I will recommend toning down as much as possible, especially when job searching. I no longer color my hair every shade of rainbow.
I currently have my nostril pierced, my upper lip pierced, and my cheeks pierced. yeah, it's a lot of junk. i also have my septum pierced but i flip it up to hide it - the other jewelry i can't take out or is hard to hide, but every little bit helps.
why don't you try wearing your hair tied up, or with a cute little bandana or scarf or wrap around it (for a more urban, "earthy" look"), or even with some of those little flower clips (think "hawaiian hottie", haha). if you can make your style look more feminine i think it would help.
but really, i can almost promise you it's the tatts. there is some good makeup you can buy designed for that purpose (especially for covering up scars too) but if you can find a club that will take you for your ink go for it, but don't settle for a hole in the wall.
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Re: Philadelphia:"alternative" girl, wants to make living wage without turning trick
There's a girl on here, Voltaire, who's an ex-SuicideGirl (ie alternative looking) and who dances as well. Maybe do a search for her, pm her and ask for tips.
EDIT- There's always the option of softcore alt.porn (Fatal Beauty, God's Girls, SuicideGirls (which has a restrictive contract, so don't sign it if you want to do other nude modelling work- it's fine if you don't mind the restriction of only shooting for SG), Perverse Fixation, more sites I can't think of right now). All that's involved is nudity and on SG you don't even have to show your cooch.
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Re: Philadelphia:"alternative" girl, wants to make living wage without turning trick
I have a leg piece and a bunch of other tattoos and piercings.... I stick to a lot of red and black on stage.... I'm also the whitest girl there... No tanning salon for me.
Anyways... I make decent money (I live in MA)
Yeah the blonde tan girls always end up with more attention but I have a great personality and lots of guys like me..... plus my ass is like woah... ahah.
Oh yeah... I avoid dancing to certain music... I love Ozzy but I wont dance to him.... I dance to a lot of hip hop and regeaton because one guys see my ass go.... baadomp baadomp they look past my tattoos and just want me on their lap with my long coconut spelling hair on their face...... Yeah I gotta hustle harder but I have things other girls dont... I'm tall with a big ass white milky skin and long beautiful hair.... I also am great conversation and I have nice teeth.... I also dont drink so I'm always sober and certain guys like that....
Its not always about what you look like its about how you use it and who you are... And a lot of guys like the bad girl thing because it makes them feel even naughty.... kwim?
If you smile a lot then I swear if your good looking you wont have a problem... Some people are turned off my certain things but no one will think bad things if they see you smiling..... But if you pull off a bad additude then no you wont get any dances....
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Re: Philadelphia:"alternative" girl, wants to make living wage without turning trick
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Collegegirl
I have a leg piece and a bunch of other tattoos and piercings.... I stick to a lot of red and black on stage.... I'm also the whitest girl there... No tanning salon for me.
Anyways... I make decent money (I live in MA)
Yeah the blonde tan girls always end up with more attention but I have a great personality and lots of guys like me..... plus my ass is like woah... ahah.
Oh yeah... I avoid dancing to certain music... I love Ozzy but I wont dance to him.... I dance to a lot of hip hop and regeaton because one guys see my ass go.... baadomp baadomp they look past my tattoos and just want me on their lap with my long coconut spelling hair on their face...... Yeah I gotta hustle harder but I have things other girls dont... I'm tall with a big ass white milky skin and long beautiful hair.... I also am great conversation and I have nice teeth.... I also dont drink so I'm always sober and certain guys like that....
Wow Collegegirl... I think we're almost twins, except for the hair part. Mine is fairly short. I have a big butt, tattoos, perfect teeth, I can talk up a blue streak and I'm always sober and on my game. I do fine; I've always done fine. I've never been the highest earner in any club, but I'm not on the bottom of the totem pole either. Oh, and I'm moon-white, always dressed in black, red, or glowing pink.
To the OP... I have no advice regarding getting hired at nice clubs. I've always worked at middle-of-the-road places where there was a precedent of alternative-looking chicks, or (my home club) where the management was thankful to have someone literate and not drunk who could therefore make them some money selling VIP, unlike the other girls who at least once in while started trouble. I actually think that's why they let me stay around at this club... they've seemingly raised their standards, but with me I think they're like, "sure, she looks a little funny, but she's NEVER throwing up in bathroom after 6 jagermeisters, and she makes us some cold hard cash every time she comes in... she can stay."
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Re: Philadelphia:"alternative" girl, wants to make living wage without turning trick
You could move to Portland. In most of the clubs that I've worked in, "alternative" girls were the majority.
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Re: Philadelphia:"alternative" girl, wants to make living wage without turning trick
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Originally Posted by
Collegegirl
If you smile a lot then I swear if your good looking you wont have a problem... Some people are turned off my certain things but no one will think bad things if they see you smiling..... But if you pull off a bad additude then no you wont get any dances....
I have gotten so many dances just from smiling! EVERYONE tells me I have a beautiful smile and the guys say they like me because I'm so real and genuine. I try and remember to smile as much as possible: on stage, while walking around the bar for tips, while talking to customers, while giving dances, etc, but I make sure it's genuine, not fake. I just remember that I am having fun, making money and I am sincerly grateful to the guys who are giving me money. Only time I fake it is when they are jerks and I want to steal their money, lol.
Smiling helps a lot when you look alternative as well. I wear a lot of dark makeup, but usually don't look goth, even though goth/industrial is my choice scene. I noticed since I got into the scene about 8 years ago, people who would normally judge me for my spikes, fishnets, fake hair and platform boots are a lot more open-minded when they see that I am a happy friendly person who smiles a lot. I just like weird clothes, big deal. It's the same thing at work. Like you said, if you go out on stage and dance to Ozzy and look evil, they might not like you. If you look alternative and are open to trying new music (which you are cause you said you like hip hop and don't do Ozzy) and you smile and are genunly nice, etc, they will probably be very intrigued that you look so hardcore but seem very pleasant. Just something I noticed in everyday life, it's fun to show people that your not a sterotype!
It's easy for me at work though cause I'm a bleach blonde and don't have any tatoos or piercings (other than ears). I am naturally pale and don't tan but I don't look freaky unless I specifically put all my goth/industrial garb on. Are your dreads real or do you have extensions? If you have extensions and think that having normal hair would help you, I'd suggest trying that and getting some nice dread falls and whatnot for when you want to go out and look a certain way. I have all sort of fake hair and I love that I can look one way at the club one night and then when I get home and wash my face and take my hair out, I'm just a normal girl in flannel puppy pjs!
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Re: Philadelphia:"alternative" girl, wants to make living wage without turning trick
Just wanted to add about Philadelphia clubs, I am a new dancer and have only danced at Risque (started a few weeks) and they do allow tatoos, though a friend of mine told me she went in a year or 2 ago and they didn't want her because they said they currently had too many girls with tatoos. Delilah's told her she could only work if she airbrushed them out. A lot of the girls at Risque do have tatoos, but none of them are freaky looking or covered. Just lots of the normal type stuff, lower back, etc. It's always worth it just to go around and audition and various places and see who is interested adn who isn't. Then when you know where you have a chance, maybe further investigate to see if it's a place you'd be comfortable working.
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Re: Philadelphia:"alternative" girl, wants to make living wage without turning trick
Philly isn't an extras city anyway. Obviously they happen, but definitely not necessary. You should be able to make money at any clean club that will hire you.
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Re: Philadelphia:"alternative" girl, wants to make living wage without turning trick
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flickad
There's a girl on here, Voltaire, who's an ex-SuicideGirl (ie alternative looking) and who dances as well. Maybe do a search for her, pm her and ask for tips.
EDIT- There's always the option of softcore alt.porn (Fatal Beauty, God's Girls, SuicideGirls (which has a restrictive contract, so don't sign it if you want to do other nude modelling work- it's fine if you don't mind the restriction of only shooting for SG), Perverse Fixation, more sites I can't think of right now). All that's involved is nudity and on SG you don't even have to show your cooch.
I was told Voltaire dances in Oregon/Portland...they are much more open to alternative looks out there.
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Re: Philadelphia:"alternative" girl, wants to make living wage without turning trick
Echos right on. If you're interested pm me and I will tell you a great way to cover up your tattoos with make up that ACTUALLY works and doesn't get all fucked up
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Re: Philadelphia:"alternative" girl, wants to make living wage without turning trick
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manchester
when i worked at a shitty club and wanted a nicer change, none of the PTs would hire me, Penthouse wouldn't hire me, so for my area that left the really shittier clubs, the Hustler, and Hollywood - which is owned by the same guy who owned my current club - it was just the nicer version.
Weird, the two PT's (Centreville and Sauget) along with Penthouse, are my regular clubs, and I see girls with tats in all 3 of those. Less so in Penthouse, sure, but you still get the ankle and lower back tats with regularity even there.
Hell, at PT's Centreville last week, there was a girl who was basically neck-to-knees tatooed. A little too much even for me.
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Re: Philadelphia:"alternative" girl, wants to make living wage without turning trick
lillylucifer, where are you working now?
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Re: Philadelphia:"alternative" girl, wants to make living wage without turning trick
lilylucifer did you ever find somewheres new? has OP even been back since posting?
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Re: Philadelphia:"alternative" girl, wants to make living wage without turning trick
no she hasn't been on since posting this...
(chrissy, can you tell I'm doing my research? And I'm not even "alternative")
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Re: Philadelphia:"alternative" girl, wants to make living wage without turning trick
give Wizzards a look in Philly. Ink and goth is welcome. Pay used to be OK, but has been slipping. Depends on what you have to offer.
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Re: Philadelphia:"alternative" girl, wants to make living wage without turning trick
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Everyman
Weird, the two PT's (Centreville and Sauget) along with Penthouse, are my regular clubs, and I see girls with tats in all 3 of those. Less so in Penthouse, sure, but you still get the ankle and lower back tats with regularity even there.
Hell, at PT's Centreville last week, there was a girl who was basically neck-to-knees tatooed. A little too much even for me.
that's absolute crap.
i auditioned at PTs centreville, made 70 bucks in tips the only 2 songs i danced, and they said i was "hired"
the next day i came back to get a schedule and you know what? oh, "you have too many tattoos". i have a chestpiece and guns on my hips, that's it.
fuck that dude, fuck that.
and the sauget one didnt even let me audition.
tiny ones are okay id imagine but i severely doubt that girl was THAT tattooed, and if she was that's some BULLSHIT for telling me i was TOO tattooed when obviously i'm not that bad. pts is a fucked up company anyway.