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How can you tell an undercover cop?
How can you tell an undercover cop?
Last night there was a guy talking to me, asking me for extras and shit, which I don't do, but there was something a little off about him. Maybe his approach? I don't know, but it was late night on Friday, and everyone was coming in after not scoring at the regular clubs all fucked up hoping to take home a stripper...pathetic. Maybe I am just paranoid?
What about a pimp? Have you ever had a guy try to recruit? :P Blech! :P :P :P
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Pimps are pretty open about recruiting. I hate that crap. When I was in Vegas, it seemed like every other guy was a wannabe pimp... right, like I got a Master's degree and worked my ass off my whole life to be your bitch. Keep on moving! ::)
As for undercover cops... I have danced for two that I know of, maybe more that I didn't recognize. One had his gun in an ankle holster and just gave off the demeanor of a cop; the other wound up busting someone else. I've found that the best way of handling undercover cops is just to assume that everyone is one, and not to do anything that would get you arrested. Know thy laws.
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If I may add to this thread...
do undercover cops tend to spend money on VIPs or champagne rooms, or do they stick with reg. private dances and blatant propositioning and stuff? Just curious.
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TheSexKitten
If I may add to this thread...
do undercover cops tend to spend money on VIPs or champagne rooms, or do they stick with reg. private dances and blatant propositioning and stuff? Just curious.
Hell yea they do - do you think they are gonna let you keep the city's money used for "prostitution?"
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Deogol
Hell yea they do - do you think they are gonna let you keep the city's money used for "prostitution?"
Maybe if they had reasonable suspicion of illicit activity with a specific person, but I don't see it happening with the "Average Jill" stripper.
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I've danced for one that I know of. He gave off that demeanor too, and asked questions funny. Like "could you provide me with a hand job for a higher price than a lap dance?" No....? "What about a blow job?" "do you know of any dancer here in this club that exchanges any sex act for money?" Erm...no. "what about if I wanted to party....what girl could help me find some stuff? NOOOOOOOO, DICK!!!!!!!!!
I told him he made me uncomfortable and I was ending the dance.
The doorgirl told me later he was indeed a cop.
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I just recently saw a dateline special about how some cops can actually bust escorts... after sleeping with them. A lil off subject, but it's crazy that cops can get away with so much. So that's how tax dollars are being spent, it's no longer donuts and coffee breaks. Vice cops have all the fun *pouting*
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Originally Posted by
TheSexKitten
If I may add to this thread...
do undercover cops tend to spend money on VIPs or champagne rooms, or do they stick with reg. private dances and blatant propositioning and stuff? Just curious.
Not as much unless they are really trying to catch a certain girl. Ive just heard stories though about that one. Usually when they come into my club they never spend more than $60 tip on you to get you to do stuff.
Words like: party, drugs, sex acts (cmon now), etc are pretty obvious. I just think everyone is a cop now until proven otherwise.
Here is a relevant link:
http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/sho...ight=cop+shoes
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If the undercover is worth his/her salt then you can't tell at all.
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There was another thread on this mentioning "cop shoes" and other good hints.
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Depending on whether or not your city has an 'undercover' task force, if your club is the target for an 'undercover' investigation than Deo is correct that you probably won't be able to tell from a giveaway 'outward appearance' nor from 'naive' questions / behavior. These are the sort of cops that actually make deals with escorts / prostitutes, do the deed, and then bust them !!! These are also the sort of cops that will 'make up evidence' or try to use 'entrapment' against you if there seems to be a lack of real evidence !
However, if your city doesn't have a dedicated 'undercover' unit ( and many don't, or won't risk them being ID'd as a result of using them for club busts ) then you're typically dealing with a regulation 'county mountie' thrust into the role of acting out of uniform. In this case, there are usually quite a few telltale signs such as polished boots, military haircut, questioning that is too direct and too blatant, treating you as a lower class person, a voice that is too authoritative, actions / questions that are hurried and unnatural etc.
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Oh I just had one the other day. He came in asking how much it would cost to see me outside of the club and I said $600 and he didn't even flinch. Then I told him that there would be no sex involved at all, he was just going to be paying for my time. The he asked,"Well, how much for sex?" and I told him I don't have sex for money. He got a bit disinterested then. I thought it was just regular old customers BS but I do remember looking at his shoes and they sure enough were cop shoes. He bought 2 dances with me and kept asking if he could touch this or lick that, how much for BJ, HJ ect.
Very crafty those undercovers!
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My experience (these are all i have to go by) you can't tell if he's a cop. Dating Cops and talking to them they hit strip clubs often enough, some get very nasty even with dancers. Bump and grind shit in VIP! No shit.
They also tend NOT to go alone but with another cop friend. Only if he's a 'road' (black and white) cop and you have seen him, believe it.
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in my area. they dont get dances or vips. they observe and then ticket. usually all but one or two girls. this only happens about once a year. they get you for anything basically. they are almost all young and black.
as an aside my friend that used to work in detroit told me they throw the girls on the ground and point a gun at them if you arent already lined up on stage. WOW
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velvet
in my area. they dont get dances or vips. they observe and then ticket. usually all but one or two girls. this only happens about once a year. they get you for anything basically. they are almost all young and black.
as an aside my friend that used to work in detroit told me they throw the girls on the ground and point a gun at them if you arent already lined up on stage. WOW
Old thread I just revived because I heard of this: undercover cops ticketing through observation and not necessarily buying (or busting through buying too). The other thing I heard about was a bust because of excessive grinding (?) during a lap dance.
Hand jobs, blow jobs, fingering, full service - these things are obvious no-no's. But what stuff is perhaps not so obvious but possibly can get you busted?
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^Geez, Bohemian, hadn't thought of that. It's sure ambiguous enough. Christ.
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BohemianSiren
This would probably fall under "simulated sexual activity," which is illegal in some areas. The definition of "simulated sexual activity" is generally left to the discretion of the arresting officer(s). ::)
Exactly. Prostitution is what the arresting officer SAYS it is. Our club has briefed us on this a couple of times, actually.
For example, in my area we are not allowed to have ANY genital-to-genital contact, even through clothing. But let's say I'm on stage and on all-fours doing a tip-dance, and my butt is a foot and a half away from the guy's crotch. If the arresting officer says that there was "contact", it's prostitution.
In another example, in my area, we're not allowed to touch our breasts or pussy (even through the T-back) on-stage--that's obscenity. But I'll often dance with my hand on my hip and fingers pointing in--NOT touching my pussy, but within a few inches of it. If the cop says I was touching my pussy, who's the judge going to believe? A stripper, or a cop?
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CuriousSeeker
Old thread I just revived because I heard of this: undercover cops ticketing through observation and not necessarily buying (or busting through buying too). The other thing I heard about was a bust because of excessive grinding (?) during a lap dance.
Hand jobs, blow jobs, fingering, full service - these things are obvious no-no's. But what stuff is perhaps not so obvious but possibly can get you busted?
THere were some undercovers in my club back in January. Girls got in trouble for letting dudes touch their breasts and asses, putting their faces in crotch, etc. One girl in particular "hiiiiiiii mahmi...!" heh.
Management flipped out and put a bunch of fliers up in the dressing room, blah blah. As far as I know, the undercover merely observed this, didn't partake of the sweet action itself.
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Wow so vice was at my club last night, and my super clean friend got a warning and one of my fave custies got the lights turned on during his dance. I'm soooo glad I didn't go in. :(
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this is an old thread. vice now do get dances in vip for 30 and observe the stage. basically if you are there you are more than likely getting a ticket for something. real or not. they are not obvious at all. they wear masks when they raid so no one can recognize them.
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SexKitten, wow, thank goodness you weren't there.
Has anyone who got a ticket gone to court over it?
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^^^ not to rehash an old story but ...
Yup I had to fight a bogus but serious bust. Since I was travelling to many different cities at the time I could NOT accept a plea bargain and a fine because the bogus charge remaining on my record would have prevented me from getting a dancer's license in certain cities.
So I fought the case in a local court ... in front of a jury comprised of insecure housewives, bible thumping retirees, civil servants etc. ... and thanks to a 'truth stretching' local cop I lost. Because I had the 'audacity' to stand up for my innocence instead of copping a plea and paying a fine, the local yokel judge then tried to sentence me to a week or two in the county lockup to 'teach me a lesson' which was all too easy for him to do when I'm from a state 1000 miles away, with no local friends / neighbors / family i.e. registered voters for the judge to worry about when the next election rolls around.
I wound up having to fight the local verdict in state appeals court. This was actually super-easy since appeals court judges have to consider such minor details like ACTUAL EVIDENCE (or lack thereof). However it was also super-expensive, like $5,000 in legal fees plus two extra plane tickets plus four days of hotel bills plus four days of lost dancing income while I was appearing in superior court instead of dancing. After the appeals court found me innocent, all charges were dropped, and my record was wiped clean which was very important because of the dancer's licensing issue. However. I didn't get one penny of my legal fees reimbursed.
The moral of the story here is that, where 'strippers' are concerned, attempting to plead not guilty in a local court has extremely little chance of succeeding regardless of the evidence (or lack thereof). Local jurors are almost guaranteed to have a preconceived Hollywood Stereotype notion in their head that all exotic dancers are lying, thieving, drug-addicted whores who would say or do anything in their own self-interest - including lying on the witness stand. After all, unless the club has a security tape that shows what you DIDN'T do, the jury will make their decision based on the dancer's credibility versus the credibility of a local cop. It is only at the appellate level that actual 'burden of proof' comes into play. So unless you are prepared to follow through with an appeal, allowing your case to go to trial in a local yokel court is usually a very bad idea from a pragmatic standpoint - because you are turning down the plea bargain (= a black mark on your record plus a fine) in exchange for a guilty verdict (= a black mark on your record plus a bigger fine plus jail time)
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things like taking money with your t bar instead of your hand, adjusting your bottoms, touching your own body , are things that can also get you busted and wouldn't think are bad. I am always adjusting the back of my bottoms and have to be careful when vice is in.
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Melonie
So I fought the case in a local court ... in front of a jury comprised of insecure housewives, bible thumping retirees, civil servants etc.
Where was this?
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Melonie
the local yokel judge then tried to sentence me to a week or two in the county lockup to 'teach me a lesson' which was all too easy for him to do when I'm from a state 1000 miles away, with no local friends / neighbors / family i.e. registered voters for the judge to worry about when the next election rolls around.
I take it his sentencing didn't stick about the lockup?
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MeanGirl
things like taking money with your t bar instead of your hand, adjusting your bottoms, touching your own body , are things that can also get you busted and wouldn't think are bad. I am always adjusting the back of my bottoms and have to be careful when vice is in.
Meaning...you know when vice is in?
My club gave me a rundown on what I can do to accept money: I can take money from a guy's mouth with my hand only; otherwise I can take it in my thong. I guess I should check local laws just to be sure.