Getting compromised in the VIP
I was thinking about putting this in the newbie thread, but I'll probably get more responses here.
If you are gonna jump down my throat, please don't bother to reply...cause this is something difficult for me to even ask, and I am looking for honest advice.
So I am a relative newbie, but I have been at my club long enough that I have gotten chummy with most of the girls ITC (only). Lately I have found myself pushing privates with the other girls (2 on ones---I can't really handle most guys by myself yet) and I have been put in compromising positions where they do more than I am willing to. Which is not cool, but its not like you can have a pow-wow with each girl before your shift to set the record straight. You just kind of know what's up, right?
But money talks, and a couple of girls who I thought were clean, and have even said they were, have made me uncomfortable (at the very least) in the VIP. I have sat there thinking...shit, what do I do? Do I put the money down and leave?
The last time I was in the VIP I was taken by surprise with another girl's actions and I was like, man, this is a waste of my time...this guy is gonna want his money back from me, I should just get the fuck out now. But I managed to skate by without doing anything, and got the girl to calm the fuck down. But let me tell you, an hour of this shit was hard to handle...I didn't know that is what I was in for with this girl...and I was not impressed.
I should mention what I WAS expecting: to do some dancing and put on a little show with the other girl. That's it.
Lap dances are the bread and butter but VIPs are the golden egg. Like I said, money talks, but I have my limits and I will put the money down and leave if I am in over my head.
I don't really know what I did "right" the last time to make things work out the way I wanted them to. So what advice can you give me on how to play these situations out in the future?
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It sounds to me that you would be more comfortable doing the VIP by yourself. That way you set your own limits. You would make more money too (unless the customer is paying the full VIP fee for both of you?) Being just with the guy gives you and him the time to connect and I think you have a better chance of extending the VIP with you alone, than with someone else.
You say you can't handle being there on your own, but is being with them on your own any worse than being consistently compared to the girl that is doing more than you?
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My advice is to only do 2 on 1's with a select few girls, and discuss what will be going on beforehand. It may be difficult to know what's going to happen, but at least they will know where you are coming from, and hopefully respect that. But it sounds like you should really start doing VIPs on your own so you dont have to deal with this shit. If you find one or two girls that you like doing VIPs together, then only do them when you are working with those girls. Bottom line: DO NOT do anything that makes you feel uncomforatable or stretches you persomal limits.
Good luck honey :)
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^^^ Let me add, if you are in VIP alone with a guy for an hour, he will most likely want to spend more of that time chatting with you than if there is another girl there. So you might not have to work as hard if you do start going solo ;)
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I agree with the others....start doing VIP's alone. You'll be much better off...and more likely to get a regular out of it.If you are nervous...tell a bounce, waitress, etc....someone you trust to check up on you from time to time.
If you still feel you have to double up...tell the girl ahead of time what you wrote here. That you've been shocked by what some girls have done in there and it put you in a bad spot. I'm assuming that YOU are pulling HER in on this...so tell her that you are happy to bring her in and help her make money, but you ask that she please help you back by not putting you in a compromising position.
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Like they said...start doing VIP's alone. You can get guys to extend VIP rooms by building rapport with them. Guys can only get so many lap dances before they get bored. Conversation can last hours. You just cant build that kind of relationship with another girl there.
If a guy requests another girl in the VIP room, then find one that you have worked with in the past, know her limits are the same, and work with her.
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What exactly do you mean by "pushing the limits?" Like, what were they doing? I know personally if I were you, I would just do what you're comfortable with and make a joke out of it like, "Oooh she's the bad girl I'm the good girl"
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Truthfully? We got drinks, started dancing, once we were naked she sat on his face. I was like, wtf? $400 divided by 60 minutes is $6 and change...times 5 minutes...I should just take a couple of $20s and call it a day.
Luckily it was not all downhill from there.
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Fuck it, I'll tell the rest...so while she is sitting on his face, I am just kind of dancing and looking at the door deciding whether or not to leave. The she unbuckles his belt and pulls it out, mind you, this guy was not expecting that either. So I was about to leave, but instead I grabbed her and was like, oh she's so hot I can't take it. I pulled her off of him, put her on the couch, started dancing on her and doing the usual little show.
He understood what was going on, and after a little bit she tried to reach over for him again and he was like, ohh, let's slow down...and everything was fine after that.
And the whole reason I don't go in alone is because I don't want to be one of those girls crying in the dressing room because some guy tried to rape me.
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VegasPrincess
What exactly do you mean by "pushing the limits?" Like, what were they doing? I know personally if I were you, I would just do what you're comfortable with and make a joke out of it like, "Oooh she's the bad girl I'm the good girl"
That's what I did the one time I had an uncomfortable 2-girl VIP. It was nothing to the extent of what you're talking about, but this girl was grabbing his hands and running then over her breasts and between her legs. I rocked the "good girl" thing and made the same amount of money as she did while working only a fraction as hard. Haha, sucka! ;)
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Dude, I went out on a limb telling this story...but I felt gross after and I never want to repeat that again. But if I refuse to do VIPs then I'd just be missing out...and there is clean money to be made. But this is Miami and you have to admit that clean dancers are the minority.
Last night I was sitting with a regular watching a new dancer making out with a guy at the bar. I wanted to hurl and the regular just rolled his eyes and was like, "It is what it is." Umm, ye-ah.
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I don't like people touching me. And most of the girls at my club, well, it's not like they like it but they allow it. I'll let a guy touch my legs, back, tummy, and that is it. I'm honest with them and some of them will be like...ummmm...no thank you then, but some others will respect my decision.
If I do a VIP with a girl who lets a guy touch her then he's going to expect the same thing from me and it will akward to say..."sorry, only her but not me"
So that is why I like to have my shows by myself. This job requires you to have a firm hand with your customers, you're the one with the rules, you're the one in control. If a customer ever wants to do something you don't like then simply say no. If he is agressive and you think you can't control him or that will hurt you then just make a lame excuse like: "Oh, you want me to give you a blow job...oh, ok....I'll do it, just let me check there is no one around" stand up, and fucking leave the room...go to security and tell them what's going on.
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So why dont you do VIPs alone and tip the bouncer a little extra to watch your booth closer then the norm? Or just say fuck the VIP and sell tons of table dances?
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Yeah, do VIP's alone if possible, then you have your limits and the guys can either deal with it or leave. There is no reason to be uncomfortable while you are at work. I understand having limits, we all have them, so stick by yours. You'll be a much happy dancer.
I will turn down money before I will do something I don't want to do.
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That happens, even if clubs with clean reps. I will pretty much only do VIP's alone or with girls that I know have the same standards as me. Sometimes it's trial and error, you think there's a girl with your standards and you find out what her's are aren't yours. Once you get to know some of the girls more, you'll be able to know who to work with. Don't ever do anything that makes you feel weird, no amount of money is worth it, IMO. I was put in a bad situation one time and put up with this customer for an hour and a half because I was in a big group and didn't want to ruin the party and hurt all the girls money. Well to make a long story short, the customer got mad because I wouldn't let him do stuff and walked out and the girls blamed me anyway!!! So, now I'm like f$ck it, it's not worth it, worry about yourself! Do what makes you feel comfortable and don't do what makes you feel uncomfortable.
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Where in Miami are you(PM me if you dont want to say in public). I work here too and "extras" are rampant. I've done champagne rooms where I got paid twice as much as the other girl while I danced and she sucked and swallowed(true story!)
Sounds like you got lucky with a cool custie who wasnt all about the hooker shit. If you worked it right, you could have gotten a reg out of it!If you are on good terms with the bouncers...def let them know to keep an eye on you while you are in there..then you dont have to worry about it so much.
You can come work at my club..I'll be happy to team up with you and I DEFINALTELY wont sit on someones face!!!!
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Know who you're working with is all I can recommend . . . now you know who to avoid!
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In future, explain that you are shy and only go to VIP with customers alone and i think you'll be fine. That is not typical behaviour they are doing. One time i let a girl come up and hustle away my customer into a negotiation that involved both of us. The only reason i let this happen was because i had never been in the champagne room with another girl + customer. It was a learning experience, but since then I've never done it and you dont need to. my girl turned out to be very racist (and greedy) and it embarrassed me and made me look bad. since then it has been only MY VIP, no one else. they may be trying to bank off you cause you are sweet and unjaded. don't feel bad - it can be rough work! But in future i would do only 1 on 1 shows at that particular club.
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LMAO I just remembered the time I did a champagne room with another girl, as soon as the hostess left the girl pulled out buddies cock and jumped on and started riding him screaming(seriously it was like a split second she was so fast) buddy grabbed girl and threw her across the booth looked at me and said 'can we tell her to leave? she scares me.' :rotfl:
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Same thing all the other girls have said, go it alone.....if you are scared to be in a room alone with the guys then find A BUDDY that you can partner with. I used to have one girl that I would go to CR with all the time, we worked great together, we had our hustle down just right and could bounce off of eachother and make great money in a night. Well she moved away and so I had to find a new working friend....
I thought this one chick was cool, we talked a lot, and got along well and had the same hustle on the floor, so I teamed up with her one night in the CR. She got plastered in 20 mintues, grabbed the guy's d*ck and yanked on my thong and started saying, "this guy is a great kisser, come kiss him! His d*ck is really hard, come feel it!" K, and uhm....no, the guy made me want to vomit.
So what did I do??? Well, if she was so into the guy I pumped them up, "Wow you two are so hot together, keep it up, it's driving me nuts!" And I wiggled around in my thong and made the exact same amount she did, and the Jaba the Hut look-a-like never even touched me. Neener neener!!!!