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Got in trouble for using "we'll have more privacy and intimacy in the VIP room"!
Well, I worked at one of Vegas clubs last night. I had a customer who I invited to go to VIP with me. I told him we would have a better time there than on the floor, it will be quiter there, we'll be able to communicate without having to yell in order to hear each other, we'll have more privacy and intimacy etc. The guys pays me $500, buys a bottle, and after trying to grab me everywhere without success, get's pissed and makes a big scene involving management. He say for $700+ bucks (500 to me and 200+for bottle) he expects a better treatment. I tell him I didn't promise to him he could do to me anything he wanted, he says some other girl told him he could do anything in the VIP. What's my fault? I was not selling full body contact, I was selling private and intimate atmosphere.
Anyways, the guy demands his money back. What got me more angry than anything that the management insted of standing behind me in the situation make me give the guy $200 back. They don't want to lose a customer! What about the entertainer that makes the club money and follows the rules? So the management tells me if they were told I offer a more intimate atmosphere, they would also think I offer sex! I am interested what you girls think. DancerWealth, you've been suggesting using "intimate atmosphere" technique, using it just cost me loss of $200 bucks, what other methods can I use to sell VIPs?
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Re: Got in trouble for using "we'll have more privacy and intimacy in the VIP room"!
what an effing cocksucker! grr!
sorry for you girl :(
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Hmm...I think I know what club that was...
The bitch abotu Vegas is that the bouncers will usually stick up for the cutomer, cause they dont want to lose business. Before I moved out to Vega, the club I worked in, it was never an issue. The bouncer automaticially was behind the dancer, no matter what. No refunds were ever given. Refunding that guys money was like telling him he was right to want sex, and you were wrong for not delivering. Now this guy is going to tell all his friends, yah, this chick wouldnt put out, but management gave me my money back so I could go spend it on a girl who will put out.
Im assuming that your hour wasn't finished, and they made you refund for the remaining amount of time? I don't know what to tell you for the future, but I can tell you that when Im in the VIP, and its not going as I want it to, the guy is to grabby or whatever I go to the bathroom, a lot. I just hide out inthe bathroom and try to waste as much time as possible. Its a shame, but you cant expent the bouncers out here to back you up, so you have to take care of things yourself. You can also try to divert grabby's attention and get him on a good conversation, and try to drag that conversation out until your hour is over.
Mybe when you say its more intimate in vip, say its more intimate so I can give you a better LAPDANCE than you would get on the floor. to make it clear thats all he is getting in vip.
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I was in VIP for 45 minutes which equals to $125, but the manager told me the guy was going to duspute his bill ( he put the champagne on the vcredit card). So they pretty much made me pay for the champagne out of mhy pocket. Yes, they club I work at is the big club you work at, too.
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Oh, forgot. The club also gave the guy and his friends a free limo ride to his hotel plus no cover to come to the club for a week for the 3 of them!
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What the hell club was this?! I think that in the interests of fair disclosure, we should all have a warning so we know not to work there. No dancer should have to work at a club that would do this.
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Ugh. It's shit like this that perpetuates the shitty customer trend. Managers actually encouraging their bad behaviour ::) Sorry girl. That manager is a dumbass.
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I had this happen when I was working down in Florida. He complained to management and the manager told me I needed to give him his money back. I stood firm though. I told the manager, "considering what I've had to put up with this man, no I will not give him his money back in full or half. I did just what I said I'd do..make sure we had a more quiet, intimiate setting where we don't have to yell. It is NOT my fault that he misconstrued that with sex. If he wanted sex, he should've asked and I woudl've told him that I dont perform such services"
Well the manager goes out of the dressing room like 3x after that..then the final time comes back to me and apologizes and tells me he kicked the guy out and I won't be paying him ANYTHING!
Lesson learned: If you know you're in the right, talk that shit out!
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I"m with Cinnamon..theres NO way I'd give money back for that. Then again...I know my club would have my back. But if they didnt, I'd quit before giving money back...just on principle of management not taking care of me. I'd find another club if i were you.
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I am afraid it's not that one particulr club that provides "customer is always right" attitude. I've seen it at other places where a club would rather lose an entertainer that did nothing wrong but fight for not being molested by some asshole than lose a "paying customer". As if I am not paying to work there plus make them money by selling overpriced drinks . Shit, and on a regual bases, too. I guess that doesn't count enough. I guess they have too many other attractive and classy entertainers knocking on their door, since it's no big deal to them to lose one any time a drunk guy wants to get lucky for his money in the VIP.
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yes, I should have refused to give any money back, but I felt I may have to come back to this club again since I am just visiting here in vegas from out of town and have already spent quite a bit of money on my trip and will be here for another week and need to make some serious money by the time i get back home. not for shopping, bills. i had to take some time off, so i have to come home with money. There are other clubs in Vegas, but I like the layout and certain things about this club, and I know at at this club I usually can make some money. In some other places it hit or miss or too dirty. I know it's been slow here lately which I didn't expect, otherwise I'd stay at home and not have extra travel expenses. I came to Vegas specifically for the CES convention which I thought should be good since I need to make a lot of money in a short period of time. Unless there are some changes in the management's attitude, i won't be working there long. In fact, I don 't even know if I want to go there tomorrow. If I wasn't out of work for some time, I wouldn't be stuck with the bills I have to cover now and I'd definitely not deal with this crap.
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Unless there are some changes in the management's attitude, i won't be working there long. In fact, I don 't even know if I want to go there tomorrow.
Unfortunatly, thoes ARE the changes in management. New owners just took over, and they fired a whole bunch of bouncers and the DJ, and hired all new people. So what you experienced are the changes management has made. They are trying to regain their popularity, as business there has been slow, so they are trying to kiss their customers asses.
I truly hope they aren't shooting themselves in the foot. I have been trying very hard to be patient with this club and looking foward to these changes, and stick it out, in hopes it will get better, but so far, I havent been impressed at all.
Im very sorry that happened to you. What they did wasnt right at all. They rewarded that customer for his bad behavior, and you were punished for being a clean dancer. If they keep that up, the club will be overrun by dirty dancers and nasty customers. I do not think that is the kind of changes they want to be making.
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Adelina
DancerWealth, you've been suggesting using "intimate atmosphere" technique, using it just cost me loss of $200 bucks, what other methods can I use to sell VIPs?
That technique didn't cost you $200.00, the scumbag customer and bad management did. I think we need to be clear on that. Imagine it like this. I sell cars for Toyota and sell a customer a Prius. During the sales pitch I tell him how much fun he's going to have driving it. He leaves the lot and takes the car on an off-roading coarse and trashes it. He goes back to the dealership and says, "But that salesman said I'll have fun driving it and having fun for me is off-roading." The dealership will laugh their asses off at this customer which is what should have happened in your situation. If the club had half a brain, they would have backed you up on this. There is a point where common-sense has to come into play on the part of the customer. Just like off-roading in a Prius, the customer cannot expect to have sex with you in the VIP based on having a more "intimate" environment for all the obvious reasons. The fact that the customer completely misconstrued what you said is not your fault at all, it's his. My bet is, any phrase you would have said to such a customer would have resulted in the same outcome. The sad part is, the club backed him up, not you and if any one of those managers involved with the matter had more than 2 IQ points, he wouldn't have.
I learned a very valuable lesson from one of my business mentors a long time ago..."The customer is NOT always right." While every customer should be treated with respect, there is a point where they cross the line and no longer become a valuable customer regardless of how much money they spend. There is a point where the business has to weigh the value of keeping that one person happy versus all the trouble they will cause and create lost revenue in the long term instead. The bottom line is, the customer was out of line and the club chose not to take a stand for what was right. I would even go so far as to say that they KNEW they were making a bad decision and chose to do so anyway because it was the easiest of two decisions.
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Okay, just to clarify - you offered more intimacy, privacy and the opportunity not to tell at each other, in those words? Like there was no "We'll have A LOT more fun back there" etc.? Essentially you weren't trying to imply that you would either have sex or provide higher contact? Not accusing - just asking.
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Kaylinn
I truly hope they aren't shooting themselves in the foot. I have been trying very hard to be patient with this club and looking foward to these changes, and stick it out, in hopes it will get better, but so far, I havent been impressed at all.
This is why I am DONE with that club. I've been sticking it out too long and while you would be hard pressed to find manegement that is truly concerned about the girls and stand behind them anywhere in this town , I've found that this club is going from bad to worse. My idea is, with Vegas having so many money making clubs to choose from, why stay somewhere you don't feel comfortable or you don't like how the manegement handles things. There are sooo many choices here.
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I know you're needing money, but if it were me, I'd so somewhere else. I mean, can you really afford to continue to work there with these kinds of problems? You need a club that will back you up on these kinds of things! That's riduculous! I'd either find another club in Vegas (there's tons of them there) or go back home to a club there. You might make less money but at least you won't have to pay for hotel, rental cars, high house fees and most likely won't deal with dumbass managers like that. Those managers by far have to be the biggest idiots that ever walked this earth! WTF were they thinking? It would've been one thing if you said to the customer "let's go back there to have sex", you never even came close to that! What you said to him is what you delivered, it is quieter, it is more comfortable and it is more intimate, there's no room for misunderstandings there!
If you absolutely cannot leave right now then if that ever happens again (which it will at some point) take frequent bathroom breaks, "surprise" him with a new outfit so go back and change, and even say stuff like "I'm shy on a first date, I like to take it slow" with guys that are trying to grab you. I did that once when I was in VIP with 2 other girls that were allowing the guys to grab their breasts. They wanted to grab mine and hell no they were not but I hadn't gotten paid yet, I was waiting for the funny money so I in a cute, little girl way said "Oh, I'm really shy on a first date, I like to take slow" and that bought me enough time to not get grabbed and to get my money and when I did get my money, I was then upfront, "no, this is not allowed here and those girls are breaking the rules running the risk of getting you customers kicked out".
I'm really sorry this happened to you, but I'd have to say I agree with CK, you have to stick up for yourself, especially in this business because nobody else will do it for you. If this ever happens again, refuse to give him your money, you earned it, it wasn't your fault that this dickhead thought you were going to have sex when you never promised it. He even said out loud that it would be more private and intimate, if that happens again say out loud to the customer in front of the bouncer "that's all I said, I never even insinuated sex would be involved here and you know that, what other girls do with you has nothing to do with me, those girls are breaking the rules and I won't do that". And then just walk away, but don't give your money back, it's yours, you earned it!
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To anyone else that reads this thread...
DONT EVER GIVE A CUSTOMER HIS MONEY BACK WHEN HE'S BEING AN ASSHOLE. I dont give a damn what the manager says. WHat are they gonna do? Beat it out of you? Stick it out until the bitter end, I always say. You earned it for that treatment alone. They cant force you to do anything you dont want to do.
NO is a very powerful word; customers excercize this right all the time--so can you. You explain your side, Anything after that, NO.
BTW the word "intimacy" simply means more personal, it doesnt mean sex at all. The mgr is an idiot for telling the OP that means sex. It doesnt.
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to Jenny: You asked if I had told him "we'll have more fun in the VIP room than on the floor".No, I didn't. In fact, the guy had his waitress to bring me to his table. I wasn't even the one approaching him. he bought a dance from me on the floor, asked what the VIPs are about, I said "we'll have more privacy and intimacy there", he said he wants to take me to VIP and paid me upfront. I did watch what words I was saying to him. I don't offer what I can't deliver. The manager says "intimacy" may be translated as an offer for sex. WTF?
But do you think if I had told him "We'll have much more fun over there", would that be translated as "we can have sex in the VIP" as well? Does "fun" translate into "Sex"? I think a guy can think whatever he wants, I can't read his mind. I was trying to be very careful with the choice of the words I use. I would have probably not even approch the guy myself if he didn't call me over, but when someone gives you money himself, would you turn it down? If he had asked me if he could have sex for his money, I'd say definitely not. I don't want to deal with people who are trying to buy sex. He paid me to go to VIP, I didn't think that to him going to VIP means getting lucky.
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As long as this club does not can you than you are good. But what club did this happen in?
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AkashaM, I agree I shouldn't have given his money back. But the manager told me :"Do you want to work at this club?" which to me is pretty much "if you don't give him his money back, we'll fire you". I should have just walk away from the club, but I didn't due to the fact that I am from out of town and I've worked other clubs in Vegas and it's easier for me to make money in this club. I have hard time selling VIPs since I am a clean dancer and won't promise the guy he'll get something extra if he goes to VIP with me, so I need a club where I can make my money on the floor regardless if I sell VIPs or not.This club is big enough for floor hussling, still not too dirty to have to fight guys' hands on the floor since other guys allow high contact on the floor. At other clubs I worked in Vegas you make most of your money pretty much in VIP and I don't like going home with nothing if I can't sell VIPs. So I prefer a club where I can do quick and clean dances on the floor and if that happens, go to VIP but not HAVE to talk guys into going to VIP since most of the time it all comes down to " what are we going to do there". Most of my VIPs in Vegas are initiated by guys themselves. I was in Olympic Garden for a couple of night a couple of years ago, but it was dirty.
Does anybody know other clubs in Vegas where you can make clean money on the floor and in VIP?
AkashaM, are from from NY? Guys from the north seem to be more respectful and easier to work with, they don't expect there money back if not satisfied. Here in Vegas clubs pay cabbies to bring guys to the club, give guys free passes to the club, whatever to make a customer happy, there's too much competition. I talked to a girl who works in Vegas full time, she said it happens everywhere in Vegas, so I shouldn't expect managers to stand on my side anywhere here.
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Originally Posted by
Adelina
I said "we'll have more privacy and intimacy there", he said he wants to take me to VIP and paid me upfront. I did watch what words I was saying to him. I don't offer what I can't deliver. The manager says "intimacy" may be translated as an offer for sex. WTF?
I want to make this very clear. You did nothing wrong here. The fact that your customer was an asshole looking for sex (and didn't get it) and the fact that your manager has a 2nd grade-level vocabulary is not your fault. The bottom line here is that you wound up in a scenario where you were dealing with Dumb and Dumber.
How else does someone expect you to sell a VIP room then if you aren't allowed to SELL. I guess in this manager's world, you should sell it by saying, "Well, the VIP room is exactly the same as it is on the floor but you pay a lot more money for time and you have to buy over-priced bottles of wine too." What a retard. Again, I will repeat, you did nothing wrong here.
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I have worked there and I feel you did nothing wrong and I would still sell VIP using theword"intamacy" I do all the time! It works! I think managemnt will try to take advantage of you if you are not firm enough to stick up for yourself. I have never needed mangement or VIP hosts to "hook" me up with dances, I prefer they didn't, cuz they are greedy and expect a "cut". I don't want them in my business, and I do fine without them.
I had issues with Jewelz (sp) in that when I first was there, telling I was doin to much in VIP.
Now if this was the case, I would listen but I hardly even grind! I see girls bouncing up and down on guys all the time in there. I know I am one of the cleanest dancers there...I sell more convo than anything else.
Anyways, after a couple times working there I made sure the custy tipped her out before our dance and she shut right up, and left me alone.
Now last Saturday, this pissed me off and I will make sure I NEVER tip her out again.
Custy charges dance and she asks if he wants to include a tip, he does $100, she never explains that the tip if for her and not me! He thinks he is tipping me! So what was I supposed to do...interject right in the middle as he's signing everything and explain that this tip is for her, not me?...NO so tacky, so I let it slide and she got my $100 tip. Grrr...for now on I will never tip her out again EVER.
At the Rhino the VIP host always explains my tip needs to be added before they run the card and that the tip that is added after the balnce is for the hosts.
Hopefully, this rant makes sense.
I will however, continue to work there on occasion ( I do well there)..but I will be just taking care of myself. Mangement will try to see how much they can push you...just politely stand firm and make YOUR money. No one has your back but you and as long as you aren't taking advantage of guys you will do fine.
Kaylinn or Dancer Wealth, how to you explain to the custy about tipping with credit card without sounding greedy and tacky? I never, ever ask for tips...it is rude but when they think they are tipping me it totally pisses me off when the useless VIP host snags it.
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I have had that happen to me in a club in PA and the guy got his money back and I got fired.
No sex in the VIP rooms. He sounds like a drunk prick.
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Sophiemarie, the reason why I dind't mention the name of the club is because I don't want to talk bad about the whole club. It was a specific situation with a specific customer and a specific manager. I worked at a club where I almost got fired in a similar situation, a certain manager didn't believe that I was telling the truth and followed " a customer is always right" rule, but I was new at that club back then, now they know, that manager is long gone, and the new managers treat me very well, they know I am not a trouble maker, I am not a dirty dancer so if someone tries to molest me, they know it wasn't me who was promising anything extra. I am new at this club, too and I don't know what other managers are like, what I am saying is I can burn the bridges, but where does it get me? I will not tolerate this attitude long term, but i am here in Vegas for some time, I paid for the hotel, rental car, airfare upfront, so by turning around and going home I am not winning anything, back home is even slower these days plus I have to deal with a lot of assholes there too, less money and more smoke. The good thing about my home club is that I can still make money on the floor there, if someone is handsy, I just move on to the next customer. Here in Vegas you can get lucky when someone pays you for your time, back home guys rarely spend money in VIP if you don't provide high contact dances. Plus this particular club is not smoky, I don't feel well after being in a smoky environment. Don't know where to go next. I've been trying to search for a club to work at where you can make many with not too much bullshit and not much smoke. This one has been OK. I'd gladly go elswhere, but where? I am in Vegas for some time, but will gladly go to some other state where I can make clean money and not have to expose myself to much smoke. Ladies, any advice?
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Kaylinn or Dancer Wealth, how to you explain to the custy about tipping with credit card without sounding greedy and tacky? I never, ever ask for tips...it is rude but when they think they are tipping me it totally pisses me off when the useless VIP host snags it.
Normally, the host will explain that that the tip is for the hosts, not the dancer, and if they dont, then sometimes the customer will ask exactly who ther tip is for.
For future reference, if a customer wants to tip you, he needs to tell the host up front, because while you are doing the room, they are preparing your dance dollars. When the host comes in to have the guy sign his credit card, he hands you the dance dollars. Explain to the customer while you are in the room that he will get 2 seperate slips to sign when the room is over. One is for the waitress, the other is for the dance dollars. Let them know that the tip space when he signs for the dance dollars does not go to you, but it goes to the hosts.( and also- they all split the tips, it does not stay with one particular host)
Explain to him that if he wants to tip you, he will need to ask the host for extra dance dollars, or do it in cash. Usually, since this is all being said during the VIP, I will let him know that if he enjoyed his time with me and wants to tip, we can walk up to the cage and get more dance dollars for the tip.
Also, they make guys give a fingerprint, and and explain the 10% charge. And the way they do it really puts of a guy, cause they seem to bombard him all at once. Ok, sign here, here, and here, fingerprint here...he feels liek he is in over his head or somehting.
So when I have a guy who wants to go into VIP with me, I ask him if it will be cash or credit card. I explain to him to fees, the fingerprint, and the tipping up front. That way he doesn't feel as if he is getting scammed once he is in there.