Re: Free Entry vs Entry Fee
I think there's a lot of different issues within this issue.
Free entry I think is a bad idea for just about everyone. Even with a 2 drink minimum, the club is going to make very little off of each of those people. If they were to pay even 5 dollars at the door the club would make a lot more.
The more people you let in for free, the more cheapskates you have hanging around that you have to weed through. Our club is notorious for letting everyone who's been there more than 5 times in for free, so we have regulars galore. Regulars who don't spend money on anything except alcohol. This keeps the bar in business, but does nothing for the dancers. We are constantly lectured on how our cheap dance and entry prices bring in a lot of guys, but it's also a huge pain. Maybe if our cover was ten dollars and every dance was ten dollars we wouldn't have so many 21 year olds watching the free show every night. Half as many customers, but they'd actually be quality customers.
It's a quality over quantity issue. The bar wants quantity, we want quality.
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wow.
paul never would have done free entry! what are these new owners doing to the place!?
it can work in your favor tho vee, guys have that extra $20 to spend on dances.
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My only problem is that my most effective and $$$ hustle is quality not quantity.
I learnt a long time ago thanks to me just being me (and it taking alot of energy for me to be an extrovert when I'm natuarlly an introvert) that I can pretty much only approach and hustle hard about 20-30 guys before I burn out.
Usually this works well for me in other clubs as I don't have to hustle many guys before I've made some really decent money (as I can sell a higher priced dance with the customer getting a repeat later usually or multiple "standard" $50 dances from a customer) .... whereas in order to make any decent money with those "intro" dances... you have to be one of those girls who can hustle 50+ guys .......if you get me.
I've always done with the quality over quantity principle. Hence the reason I'm finding it frustrating at the club. I prefer clubs where I don't have to hustle a million guys and sell a million $20 dances in order to make any decent money.
As for them having $20 to spend on dances.... when they learn what they get for that $20 (one song no touching) they tend to close up. I then mention that if they are willing to pay an extra $35 on that $20 they can then have a decent lap dance where they can touch me... they close up because they are cheap.
I'm not a fan of the free entry. Lets leave it at that.
edit to add: I'm not totally against the $20 dance thing as I have had decent success with it once I get them in there. Usually I have more success with the ones who paid the extra $35 than the ones who opt to just go for the $20 dance. The ones that opt to "upgrade" usually then stay for at least another 10 minute dance even tho' generally they have been staying for at least two 10 min dances with me once I have them :devil: I am just against having to hustle a million guys. I can't do the quantity "wanna dance" hustle. I'm one of those dancers who likes to wander around, watch the patrons and then go in for the kill with the ones more likely judging by body language and what-not to go for a dance.
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I think, personally, if they are going to offer free entry, then the dancers should not be "showing it all" on stage. I mean, when that happens (full nude on stage) it encourages a lot of the guys not to buy dances when they can sit at the tip rail, get beer, and tip singles all night. As opposed to paying $20 for the same view.
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Free entry just encourages more cheapasses to come in, and even causes some of those who might normally spend to become cheapass NONspenders because, if they can get something for free, why would they pay? I HATE working in clubs with free or extremely cheap cover and/or ridiculous drink specials, whatever. They just cheapen the whole service and encourage guys to be cheap jerkoffs.
I also think this can even *run off* some of the better customers, because as we know, alot of those guys would rather stay away than be surrounded by hordes of partiers.
It's one thing to offer reasonable prices to maximize business. It's quite another to go so cheap that you devalue the whole thing.
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cover charges separate the cheap a$$holes from the REALLY cheap a$$holes !
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VenusGoddess
I think, personally, if they are going to offer free entry, then the dancers should not be "showing it all" on stage. I mean, when that happens (full nude on stage) it encourages a lot of the guys not to buy dances when they can sit at the tip rail, get beer, and tip singles all night. As opposed to paying $20 for the same view.
There is no tip rail and it is Australia so there are no "singles". Our $1 and $2 are coins! I don't want coins thrown at me :D There is also no "club dollars" being sold so the min. cash tip is $5 and even that is not that common.
I agree that the only person "showing it all" on the stage each night should be the feature show. Unfortunately, even then the feature show isn't paid by the club to do so in effect the feature dancer is doing it for free.
Their reason? You are advertising yourself on that stage. They see the stage as way for us to advertise ourselves.
Oh and the stage isn't rostered and thus no one is announced before she goes on stage.
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I would hightail it to another club. That one sounds very poorly run.
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it just doesn't (imo) attract enough quality patrons into the club.
Even with the "intro" dance offered at the door prior to them entering. I'm not saying get rid of the intro dance just saying how it can work.
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hit the nail on the head there. My club is not free but as it is a newly established club they have promoters handing out free entry passes in king st and IMO it attracts the wrong type of patrons to the club. It attracts alot of young guys who dont have enough money to even get one dance. I have been told by many patrons that they purely came in coz they got a free entry pass so they thought they would come in for a quiet drink and a free perve!!
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Wow, I'm shocked!! I've never heard of no-cover strip clubs and I'm from Wisconsin originally, LOL !! The club I work at does give (as do I think all Las Vegas clubs) locals free admission... thankfully, most poeple are not locals. They never spend any money and just gawk. I hate to say it, but it's generally true. I would HATE that!!
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I used to work at a place that charged 3dollar cover and now one that charges 8 and 20 at peak times, and there is a huge difference in the clientele.
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*sigh* I can't believe how many guys with thongs (flip flops for you foreigners and jandels for the kiwis :laughing: ) were allowed inside the club tonight! Free entry is one thing however at least have a dress standard ! I don't care how "dead" it is out there on the street.... how hot the weather is... and desparate for patrons the club is.... fuck!
Just venting. *sigh*
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Yea, then entry to get into my club is like $5 which IMO is to low.
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GoldCoastGirl, I would look at ways to try and step up your game so that you are able to hustle more guys in a night without getting burned out. Sometimes you can luck out and get quality over quantity, but for me my success has always been in the quantity. That is where alot of the girls in my club fall short. Many of my dancer friends refuse to do 1-dance specials or will camp out in the dressing room when the guys are being so cheap and it's like a needle in a haystack to find one guy in a packed club to go for 1 or 2 dances. Yes, it's exhausting, but I'm there to work and will push myself as hard as I need to, to be profitable.
I consistently make around the same $$ each night due to this principle, whereas other girls have good and bad nights b/c of the cheapos. I welcome bulk dances when they come, but my goal is to get em' moving regardless of what amount of money they spend.
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Originally Posted by
carolina6
I think there's a lot of different issues within this issue.
Free entry I think is a bad idea for just about everyone. Even with a 2 drink minimum, the club is going to make very little off of each of those people. If they were to pay even 5 dollars at the door the club would make a lot more.
The more people you let in for free, the more cheapskates you have hanging around that you have to weed through. Our club is notorious for letting everyone who's been there more than 5 times in for free, so we have regulars galore. Regulars who don't spend money on anything except alcohol. This keeps the bar in business, but does nothing for the dancers. We are constantly lectured on how our cheap dance and entry prices bring in a lot of guys, but it's also a huge pain. Maybe if our cover was ten dollars and every dance was ten dollars we wouldn't have so many 21 year olds watching the free show every night. Half as many customers, but they'd actually be quality customers.
It's a quality over quantity issue. The bar wants quantity, we want quality.
thats the owner for you.... since i know what club your talking about.... how are you girl????
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What I love about my club is that they charge 20 for entry- at all times...but, then again, it IS Mons. Anyways, the lovely thing about it is when the guys try and lowball us for dances, it's always nice to be able to tell them that they paid 20 to get in, they can surely pay at least 20 a song...less muss less fuss this way, I say. And yes, I do agree that when you pay at least a minimum 5 buck cover, you tend to lose a bit of the lookyloo stragglers.
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GoldCoastGirl, I would look at ways to try and step up your game so that you are able to hustle more guys in a night without getting burned out.
It just isn't my style. In all the years I have worked, I always made my money on the quality principle not quanitity one. Serious. It is only recently at this particular club I am working within right now that my usual way of working is not working and I am burning out.
I'm a huge introvert. It takes alot of energy for me to be an extrovert for more than 5 hours straight without burning out (wanting to kill someone) -- this only applies to clubs where I have to hustle for lap dances. Stage show only clubs are different for me.
It is my problem yes and I have tried over the years to be a quantity girl. It just doesn't suit me.
That's the beside the point. The free entry is still attracticing the wrong type of crowd within the club even if I do approach every single person who doesn't already have a dancer attached to them (which I have done on occasion).
I'm giving this particular club one more week - this week. If things don't improve then I am moving on to another club. They don't pay me for the stage shows so I'm putting a stop to them as well as I feel that they may be hindering me too.