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Should HPV vaccinations be mandatory?
You may have heard in the news this week about Texas Gov. Rick Perry issuing an executive order mandating that girls entering the sixth grade next year get vaccinated for HPV. Other states and countries are considering similar laws.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20070213/cm_csm/eads
http://healthcare.seekingalpha.com/article/26326
http://www.kaisernetwork.org/daily_r...fm?DR_ID=42893
While I'm certainly for stopping HPV and cervical cancer, I don't think this is the way to go about it. Along with the state ursurping parental authority, it seems the reasoning behind forcing this vaccine on the public (a vaccine which we don't know the long term side effects of yet) is aggressive lobbying by the pharmacutical company that makes and stands to make billions off this. I mean, if Gardasil is that good, shouldn't people be having their daughters line up for the shots? Even if they do run $300-500?
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Hell, many parents don't even tell their kids enough, even when kids ask. Further anymore kids don't want to or feel they need to ask.
Still it is intrusive admittedly. But then so are mandatory motorcycle helmet or even truancy laws. Let's just say it is for the common good.
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This reeks of Big Pharm lobbying. I think the vaccine is great, but I have a huge problem with government mandating it this way. It's simply not the government's place.
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Yekhefah
This reeks of Big Pharm lobbying.
Hey! that the honorable Rick Perry you're talking about....
What sucks is the people protesting are the anti sex-ed people. So It's not like you can exactly support their arguments.
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The hell I can't. Nobody's wrong ALL the time. I may not agree with them on sex ed, but I absolutely agree that they have a right to raise their own kids as they see fit and supervise their own children's medical care.
Speaking personally, I'm all for sex ed and disease prevention, and I'm pro-choice. But I don't think I'd get this vaccine for my daughter if I had one right now. It's unproven and we haven't seen its long-term effects. I'd rather take my chances with responsible sex ed and safer sex, and I'd rather teach my kid about those things than get her a new, unproven shot and forget about it.
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Unfortunately, that is not their argument. Like sex-ed, they think this is giving kids permission to have premarital sex.
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So what? You have to either agree or disagree with their ENTIRE position? Since when?
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Yekhefah
So what? You have to either agree or disagree with their ENTIRE position? Since when?
In this instance, I do disagree with them. I do not believe that mandatory vaccinations are bad because it would encourage kids to have premarital sex. If they win on that premise it would be just as big a travesty as the mandated vaccinations.
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Well, personally I'd rather not have mandatory vaccinations, regardless of what the parents' reasoning might be. It's none of the government's business. If James Dobson wants to deny his kid the vaccine because he thinks it'll encourage her to have sex, and I don't want to get it for my kid because I worry about the long-term after effects, we are both well within our rights as parents. And the government has no business to intervene.
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I'm pretty sure vaccinations are mandatory to attend public school in this country. That doesn't bother me. When it's only contagious via fucking, I have problem with it being mandatory.
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Well yeah, that's my point too. I was going to say this earlier but I didn't think it was relevant... but since you brought it up, here it is. Vaccinations for measles and other highly contagious diseases are necessary in a classroom environment. Moreover, those vaccines have been tried and tested for several decades with no ill effects. Vaccination for HPV is not necessary for the classroom, nor is it proven safe. This is an issue that should be left to the PARENTS, not the government.
What's next if this passes? Government-mandated braces?
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Yekhefah
Moreover, those vaccines have been tried and tested for several decades with no ill effects.
That's a different thread, but there is considerable debate about the high mercury content of some vaccinations and the rising rate of Autism.
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I think corporations should have the government force it's citizens to inject it's products in their bodies.
What kind of america do you think we live in?
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^^^ One controlled by Big Pharm and its lobbyists, of course!
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Wait wasn't that Hillarys Gig. Socialized Medicine? Despite its apalling record in the UK. So next we will be taxed for health care then have mandatory vaccinations. Yippee. Hmmmmm How much is dual citizenship in Belize gonna cost me?
Seriously look for Big Gov Poiticians to force health care onto tax payers then mandatory vaccinations and more stringent protocols for life saving drugs and organ transplants.
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ArmySGT.
Wait wasn't that Hillarys Gig. Socialized Medicine?
Kind of the irony here is that while this idea would have come about eventually, I would have expected some politician of Hillary's ilk to be behind it, not a holy roller schmoozer like Rick Perry who on the eve of being re-elected by a non-majority of his citizens more or less implied that he believed non-Christians were going to hell. I gue$$ $ome voice$ $peak louder to him than the fundies do.
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I heard not long ago that at least one more State is also planning to require the vaccinations.
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I like the idea of it, but I don't feel it should be required. The problem is - esp in states like Texas that do NOT speak of birth control at all - without proper knowledge of HPV, this gives the girls a false sense of security. This vaccine only works for something like 4 strains of HPV. Mind you, there are supposed to be over 100 strains of HPV, with an estimated 15 that are considered high-risk for cervical cancer. If they partnered this requirement WITH a good sex-ed program, that would be a little more respectable.
As it stands now, TX has one of the highest teen birth rates in the country while having the strictest "abstinence-only" sex-ed policies. Soon, you will be able to see more and more states' teen birth figures skyrocketing b/c of the newly-appointed "Chief of Family Planning" (or whatever his title is with the Dept of Health and Human Services). Go ahead and google Dr Eric Keroack. He's a whole issue in and of himself ..... but back to the matter at hand, I do not like that they are trying to force this vaccine on people. There are too many unknowns with this vaccine, the drug companies will make so much money of it it's disgusting and it gives too mcu h of a false sense of security b/c these young girls are not going to be educated on the topic properly.
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Hello_Kitty27
As it stands now, TX has one of the highest teen birth rates in the country while having the strictest "abstinence-only" sex-ed policies.
Good point. I am quite sure that there is a direct connection between the two things.
I say we provide all the tools we can to protect the health of our nation's population, including the HPV vaccinations. Maybe making it required is going too far though. I'd rather it be offered free of charge to all those interested. That would be much more "in the best interest of the public " IMHO
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T-10
I'd rather it be offered free of charge to all those interested. That would be much more "in the best interest of the public " IMHO
Agreed! My (limited) understanding of the vaccine is that it is quite expensive. Anyone know?
Edit: According to wikipedia, it is about $360!! That's a lot of money to FORCE a parent to come up with, in addition to any other vaccines needed.
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Here's interesting reading about Gardasil:
http://evilslutopia.blogspot.com/2007/01/gardasil.html
(I don't know who this chick is, but she backs up all of her points with links and quotes direct from Merck's website and other places)
To Sum It Up......
Things You Might Not Know About Gardasil
*The vaccine only decreases your chances of getting cervical cancer, it doesn’t eliminate the risk.
*Gardasil is one of the most expensive vaccines ever, at about $360 for the series of three shots, plus the cost of doctor visits.
*If Merck can get state governments to put Gardasil on their lists of vaccines that are required for schoolchildren, it can become a part of a federal vaccine liability program. Meaning that Merck will not be liable if Gardasil turns out to be harmful some time in the future.
*There have been no long-term studies done on the effect of the vaccine after 5-10 or more years, and testing on young girls has been extremely limited.
*It is unknown how long the immunity provided by Gardasil actually lasts.
*Gardasil is one of many vaccines containing aluminum, and there is increasing evidence suggesting that aluminum-based vaccines can have harmful effects.
*Gardasil is only for women.
"Boys would not have to be vaccinated, although they can get HPV. There are no HPV tests for men. The vaccine has not yet been tried on men." [16]
Men can get HPV. Men can give HPV to their partners. Men can get genital warts from HPV. Men can get cancer from HPV. (80% of HPV-related cancers affect women, but the other 20% include penile and anal cancers affecting men). [17]
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I'd just like to pop in and say that in the united states, there are NO MANDATORY VACCINES. all you have to do is go down to the local health dept. and ask for a religious waiver. it's super easy. I'm vaccine free, btw, and had no problems in school.
info on the dangers of vaccines:
the issue at hand:
VACINNES ARE NOT REALLY MANDATORY:::
this is an issue close to my heart, my family, and myself, have a lot of vaccine side effect and health problems. They range from reproductive issues, learning disabilities, stunted growth, autoimmune problems, autism, altzheimers, severe food alergies.... and the list goes on.
be carefull, and aoid unnecessary vaccines for yourselves and your children!!!!!!
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lunchbox
That's a different thread, but there is considerable debate about the high mercury content of some vaccinations and the rising rate of Autism.
This Vaccine is too new, to make it mandatory! It has not been around long enought to give it to children. I also feel because the diease the vaccine protect the girls from is an sexual transmitted diease. The goverment making this vaccine mandatory for someone under 18. Will be like the goverment telling you how to raise your child. It will be like the goverment ruling your home.
Yea alot of young girls are having sex. Yes but there are many children thats not having sex young. Giving this shot so young girls, will be saying hey it is ok to have sex this young! Its like the goverment saying you are grown at 18. Well now it will be like yea you can have sex as soon as sixth grade.
The vaccine is way too knew to give to children mandatory. Giving a vaccine to protect one from getting cancer. That is cause by a sexual trasmitted diease. Is not right at all!
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Lola Rose
I'd just like to pop in and say that in the united states, there are NO MANDATORY VACCINES. all you have to do is go down to the local health dept. and ask for a religious waiver. it's super easy. I'm vaccine free, btw, and had no problems in school.
Interesting!
Even though I wouldn't choose to use the opt out, it's great that there is the option.
What a nice example of individual freedom 8)
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T-10
Interesting!
Even though I wouldn't choose to use the opt out, it's great that there is the option.
What a nice example of individual freedom 8)
yea It is good that you have a option. A lot homeschoolers choose not opt out because of thier beliefs. Yet there are many people who disagree with what they are doing, and they try to make laws. That follow there way of thinking!