I think waitresses play a huge role in getting dancers tips
The time waster thread was getttttiinnnngg loooonnngggg, so I started another one.
I have always found that a good indication of whether a guy is going to get dances or not is if the waitress comes over and asks if he would like to buy the lady a drink.
Now here is the catch --- try explaining this to the waitresses. When I waitressed, I IMMEDIATELY hustled my hiney over to any table that had a dancer sitting down with a customer. The dancer didn't sit for long if the gentleman didn't buy a drink for her. NOw that I am on the other side now and dancing, I have tried to explain this to waitresses that if you see a dancer SITTING with a customer, go up and ask if he would like to buy a drink for the lady. Sometimes it falls on deaf ears, or they just look at me like a deer caught in headlights. Siiiggghhh :-\
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i agree partially with your statement but for different reasons.
at my club, the waitress does our funny money (cred card transactions). one in particular will ask the guy if he'd like to tip the girls. that works 90% of the time. i mean, what's he gonna say, "NO! She sucked!" it may only be $20, but i always make sure she gets tipped because she takes care of me.
i wouldn't say they play a HUGE role, but i would say in certain scenarios, they can certainly help. the drink thing is another, esp for me, because i order a $4 bottle of water. if a guy is still interested in me after buying me a bottle of water (or offering to if i say no) then i know he could spend.
BUT... something i've noticed in my 6 years in this industry: there are a TON of guys who WILL buy a drink, or more, for dancers but will not directly give them any money. it's important *very* to ask for a dance soon after getting your drink or being offered one to see if he's for real or jsut a drink-buyer/time waster. remember, we are NOT hustling to get drinks, we are hustling to make money. <--- important.
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Point taken, and you're right.
However, I do have to disagree wtih you slightly on saying no to being offered a drink. When I waitressed in NY, if a dancer ever ever ever said no to a customer for a drink, she was fined. The management believed that we were a "team" working together kind of crap. So if a dancer didn't want alcohol, just order a water or soda, because the waitresses worked for tips. To say no meant that the waitress didn't get tipped. So I always, no matter what, order at least a soda or water if offered .... just so the waitress can get tipped.
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I'm doing something along these lines yet a variation as I was inspired by something Bridgette said in another thread (I think it was the time wasters thread).
I now order a high priced mixed alcoholic drink (not just water). My drink of choice is vanilla vodka with Mother as it costs $9. I am even thinking of ordering a Blow Job shot (just one) as it costs the guy $20 (I get half) and he has the drink (if he up for it do it like a Body Shot) not me.
I order this drink as then I can easily dump it if the guy is a time-waster over a bottle of water.
I can see this working with one waitress at the club I am within in particular just that the rest of them may not 'get it'. The club does have its regular waitresses working the same nights I work however there is also a little bit of 'turnover' as the club likes to 'rotate' their employees so they can easily be door girls, hostesses or waitresses different nights/weeks.
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If I ever refused a drink, I'd be FIRED! And I usually order a pretend shot, that way I can leave quick if there's no $ there.
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Waitresses can help so much.
Were I am now, they are actually one of the biggest barriers to selling dances. Table service (drinks) is painfully slow and they are NOT helpful in getting the credit card payments done.
Its just poor management.
I am reading this book by Jeffrey something about sales, The Sales Bible, and it says when you are not getting the support from your team (waitresses at least serving cusomers and doing the Visa charges), it's time to leave and find a new team.
I tried everything to help my current VIP waitresses understand we can help eachother and get 30%+ from guys, they just don't get it.
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242_fair
I am reading this book by Jeffrey something about sales, The Sales Bible, and it says when you are not getting the support from your team (waitresses at least serving cusomers and doing the Visa charges), it's time to leave and find a new team.
Jeffrey Gittomar. The Sales Bible is ok, I have the Red Book of Sales. But yeah, waitresses can be great, or can totally fuck you. That's why I always teamed up with great loyal waitresses. 242, isn't there at least one with brains that you can work with?
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curvygirl
Point taken, and you're right.
However, I do have to disagree with you slightly on saying no to being offered a drink. When I waitressed in NY, if a dancer ever ever ever said no to a customer for a drink, she was fined. The management believed that we were a "team" working together kind of crap. So if a dancer didn't want alcohol, just order a water or soda, because the waitresses worked for tips. To say no meant that the waitress didn't get tipped. So I always, no matter what, order at least a soda or water if offered .... just so the waitress can get tipped.
I was sitting with a dancer at Scores LV when a waitress came over to take our order. The dancer declined a drink (I had bought her drinks at the bar before we moved to a table).
To make a long story short, after the dancer declined, the waitress bent down and whispered something in the dancer's ear. Of course, I knew the waitress was giving the dancer hell for not ordering something.
IMO, that move by the waitress was incredibly tacky--especially for a club like Scores that bills itself as "high-end". Really, I had no problem buying the dancer a drink if she wanted one, but she didn't.
I thought the waitresses' maneuver was club policy, so I went to the manger and raised hell. I absolutely detest nickel and dime bullshit like that. The manger said it was not a policy for Scores dancers to be required to order drinks. Bless the dancer's heart; she did come over to defend me.
The manger did take care of me, bought me some drinks etc. so all was cool, but I'm still not sure if I believe him about the drink policy.
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yea, i am not sure how i feel about being forced into ordering something. that's not at all how it works here but, if that was how it worked i guess i'd order bottles of water left and right.
as for GCG's thought of ordering a huge $$ alcoholic drink, i see two problems with this: 1. you now have to drink some of the alcohol, and i dont want that (at all) in my system when i work.
2. you can now be seen as a drink hustler, ordering a pricey drink like that. and that brings me back to my feeling of us hustling $ not drinks. a $7-9 drink is ok i think, but the $20 drink is really outrageous. seems as if you are testing the custy's monetary limits a bit TOO far. some blue collar working class guys who only come in with enough for a few dances and drinks dont account for your hustling really overpriced $20 drinks/shots. instead, wouldn't you prefer that money going to you instead of buying your drink?
i have had customers tell me that they hate when a girl hustles them for drinks. i say, under 10, ya, you are fine, over, you are pushing it. keep the hustle to dances and tips, imo.
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yeah, I don't get the point of ordering a high priced drink. Instead of getting half of $20 on a drink you don't really want, why not have him buy a dance? When you order a high-priced drink, you have just done the equivalent of ordering the most expensive thing on the menu on the first date. No, he's not going to freak out and say no, but he might think less of you.
And what does the waitress have to do with it?
Personally, I hate when I sit with a guy right away and the waitress asks him to buy me a drink. It screams high pressure that he has to spend money on me before he's even decided he's likes me. I don't ever want him to feel hustled, especially by a waitress who is trying to increase her tip from $1 to $2.
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Instead of getting half of $20 on a drink you don't really want, why not have him buy a dance?
Because the minimum it cost for someone to buy a dance in my club is $55 and there is no stage tipping in this club (it isn't encouraged nor really happens alot to be depended upon) so I figure $10 is better than nothing.
The only time I would hustle the dance out of the guy over the drink is if he had purchased an 'Intro' dance at the door already (as this type of dance is ONLY offered at the door by the receptionist there). On my two week nights it is $20 for a one song no touching intro dance and I still only get $10 of that dance.
Plus with the $20 drink, the GUY is going to be drinking it not me.
Before 10pm and also through-out the night (thru the front door receptionists own discretion/judgement) alot of people can get into the club for free (or a minimal $5 door fee) and not alot of them purchase that 'intro' dance at the door.
So I am just TRYING to get some money out of the guy esp. if he has NOT already booked an INTRO dance and/or got enough money or whatever for the minimum $55 dance.
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One day last week I was sitting at a table with a guy and another dancer came and sat with us (WTF when is that ever acceptable??). Customer wanted to order another bottle of wine and the girl actually talked him OUT of the sale. She was like 'the wine here isn't good, it's so overpriced, we'll never finish another bottle'... in any other club I"m sure she would get fired for this!!
There is no waitresses who I can team up with, but at least I've got one bartender who can make things happen (occasionally).
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Scores LV does NOT require a dancer to order a drink, however, with any strip club, it is at least suggested a dancer orders a drink, because that makes the club money. It usually is frowned on if the dancer declines a drink, because it cost the club money.
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agree partially with your statement but for different reasons.
at my club, the waitress does our funny money (cred card transactions). one in particular will ask the guy if he'd like to tip the girls. that works 90% of the time. i mean, what's he gonna say, "NO! She sucked!" it may only be $20, but i always make sure she gets tipped because she takes care of me.
Ay my club, the floor hosts give out out funny money. They do not tell the guy to tip us, insead they tell the guy to tip them. OR they say nothing, let the guy assume the tip is for us, then later find out that they just tipped the floor host without knowing. I once told the guy no, the tip isnt mine, its for the hosts, and I got in BIG trouble. Because it caused the guy to not leave a tip for the host. why tip the host? all he did was have the guy sign a credit card reciept.
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I used to be a waitress at a ok club. I made good money there and I think the dancers did great. But I felt at the time that I was sometimes able to help them even more. I always asked for drinks at the right time (about half way through the first song sitting with them. ) We did have a 5 drink min. that the girls had to sell or they had to pay for them.
Sometimes if a dancer was on stage and wasn't get tipped, I would throw a couple dollars up there., I don't know if this made the custies feel bad or if it just helped them remember. :) I only did think for the girl that I liked . not the complete bitches.
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One more thing, when I would have a custie ask who is the best dancer here, of course, I'm going to say my friend or a girl that will tip me. I've made 50 bucks off this once.
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You can't turn down drinks at my club - but it isn't a big deal because we don't serve alcoholic drinks. I get annoyed sometimes because I worry about something being put in a drink - we can't move the drink from the table and we can't sit with the customer during reveiws, so it can be out of my sight sometimes, which creeps me out a bit. Also, if a jerk buys me a drink I'm obligated to stay with him untill I finish it.
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^ no you're not. If you leave a drink, you're obligated (to yourself) not to drink it. Say it's gottenwarm or something.
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GoldCoastGirl
Because the minimum it cost for someone to buy a dance in my club is $55 and there is no stage tipping in this club (it isn't encouraged nor really happens alot to be depended upon) so I figure $10 is better than nothing.
The only time I would hustle the dance out of the guy over the drink is if he had purchased an 'Intro' dance at the door already (as this type of dance is ONLY offered at the door by the receptionist there). On my two week nights it is $20 for a one song no touching intro dance and I still only get $10 of that dance.
Plus with the $20 drink, the GUY is going to be drinking it not me.
Before 10pm and also through-out the night (thru the front door receptionists own discretion/judgement) alot of people can get into the club for free (or a minimal $5 door fee) and not alot of them purchase that 'intro' dance at the door.
So I am just TRYING to get some money out of the guy esp. if he has NOT already booked an INTRO dance and/or got enough money or whatever for the minimum $55 dance.
makes sense, apparently things work differently over there, but i still thinking ordering him a $20 drink comes off as looking money grubbing, and tacky. you dont want him to feel hustled, ever.
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Lola Rose
^ no you're not. If you leave a drink, you're obligated (to yourself) not to drink it. Say it's gottenwarm or something.
word. I'm only obligated to sit with him until the drink comes (which is another reason I don't like when a waitress offers me a drink when I jsut sat with him), unless he's a complete douchebag...in which case, I find pleasure in abandoning it.
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I find there are a whackload of guys who don't think to offer to buy a drink but will still buy a dance. The only time it bugs me is if they expect "social investment time" without buying me a drink. Then it's just rude. Like if you expect me to sit there feeling you out and charming you for 20 minutes (and yes, I realize some girls would never, ever do that, but I will sometimes), then you are obligated, by general courtesy to buy me a drink. If you don't mind me getting right to the point, it really doesn't matter to me, and at my bar a drink is about $10 with tip - that is half a dance.
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Kaylinn
Scores LV does NOT require a dancer to order a drink, however, with any strip club, it is at least suggested a dancer orders a drink, because that makes the club money. It usually is frowned on if the dancer declines a drink, because it cost the club money.
Understood, and I have no problem buying drinks for dancers.
But having a waitress chastise a dancer right in front of me was incredibly tacky. I don't expect that kind of behavior in a higher-end club like Scores.
I was really taken by surprise something like this happened in a club like Scores. It's the type of thing that will cause me to get up and walk out of the club. And in a town like Las Vegas, another club is only a short cab ride away, so it's not like a customer doesn't have other choices.