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Why don't you start your own clubs?
I don't know how many posts I've read here about unfair management practices, lack of support from bouncers, unfair and unethical behavior of other dancers, etc.
And I've been wondering--why don't a bunch of you get together and start your own club, and have the managers and bouncers work for you? Who would know more about how to run a good club than the dancers themselves?
Employee owned business are everywhere these days. Why not try it?
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I'm too lazy. Besides, what would I complain about??;D
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While I bitch about all that, it doesn't mean I want to give up everything I love about dancing either! I crave the freedom, flexibility and unaccountability for my actions.
It's a travesty the way SCs are run, but I'm not taking it upon myself to change it. I just don't care that much.
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Its been disscussed here plenty of times and the general consensus was employee owned structure for SCs does not work. If some dancers, however, wanted to open one and needed help--I'd invest. If its ran right, the returns could be great.
But if I owned an SC, I certainly dont want to dance in it, i just want to count the money, lol.
Alot of palms have to be greased to stay open; community boards (who run everything on the local level), politicians, local churches, mob goons, cops, ect. Also, clubs are constantly fined which can put a club in serious debt (if they dont pay off the appropriate people in time). There are alot of politics involved before you even can put the first nail in the wall.
When customers tell me they want to open a SC, i laugh and tell them "good luck, buddy."
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I'd be willing to invest in a club. I prefer the types of clubs that are run in the Upper Midwest ("show bars") than a lot of the clubs people think of when they hear "strip club."
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I would love to start my own club. LOVE to! But until I win the lotto, no dice.
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What's it take to open a strip club anyways? 3 million? 1 million? 500,000? If any of us had that kind of money we wouldn't be dancing.
If I had that kind of money I'd find a more sound investment than a strip bar. I'm not an aging alcoholic douchebag who needs to be surrounded by young naked chics for an ego stroke.
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^^Hahah!! Yep.
Also, the simple fact that it would take a group of us pooling resources to accomplish it, is largely what precludes us from doing just that. We are not really "pool your resources" types for many reasons.
I have been in the business long enough to be settled in and feel comfortable making that kind of investment in the right circumstances. BUT I have other interests, and I suspect most veteran ladies are similar. I'm more interested in running a small bar in Costa Rica, for example ;D
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I would love to have my own business one day - well aside from my personal business as a dancer. It will not be a strip club though. It would be something to do with fashion or the beauty industry.
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UtahMike
Employee owned business are everywhere these days.
How many of those employee owned businesses are sexually oriented ones whose very existence is at odds with the moral standards of much of the local citizenry? (I mean c'mon man, you're in Utah). You just can't put up a strip club like you can a barber shop or a hardware store. Its for that very reason that a great number of strip clubs are ran by people with shady backgrounds.
People with a reputation to protect wouldn't want to touch owning a SOB with a ten foot pole, and as far as the folks with shady backgrounds are concerned, thats just fine and dandy as it gives them a de facto monopoly. Not to mention all the more reason to run their operation more like a racket and less like a legitimate business.
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UtahMike is right on and it is already happening today. It's called private dancing.
Also, the window of opportunity for dancing vs club owning is a lot different. Women may dance for 5 years but running a successful club would be much longer than that. Hell a club could in in legal disputes for 5 years.
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GuyPOV
UtahMike is right on and it is already happening today. It's called private dancing.
That is very true!
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GuyPOV
Also, the window of opportunity for dancing vs club owning is a lot different. Women may dance for 5 years but running a successful club would be much longer than that. Hell a club could in in legal disputes for 5 years.
If a dancer wishes a 20-30 year career is very possible. There are a few dancers in their 50's out there shaking it. I've worked with several personally. You'd swear that they were in their 30's, though. Plastic surgery is a marvelous career extender!
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^ I'd love to see you when you're 50 Paris, I bet you'll look 35. You look about 18 now.
But, UtahMike, you do raise a legitimate question, it just isn't anything new to us, we've all already come to the realization at some point in our careers that we could do what our SC managers do, better and with more class. A bunch of us gathering together is a little strange though. Just cause we're all dancers and get along on SW doesn't mean we could be business partners. And bouncers and managers working for us? Like we're still dancing?? I don't really know about that.
My 5 year plan is to run my own business. But I honestly don't want to be a part of the day to day operations of a strip club, just don't want to be in this industry for the long haul. Not because of the "adult content", but because the nightclub scene really isn't in my blood. However, I'd love to be the idea person and be an owner of a rocking SC. But, I don't have the capital to be in that position.
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doc-catfish
How many of those employee owned businesses are sexually oriented ones whose very existence is at odds with the moral standards of much of the local citizenry? (I mean c'mon man, you're in Utah).
Somehow, the clubs, manage to stay in business. Somebody must be going there. I usually travel out of state, though.
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Zabrina
If I had that kind of money I'd find a more sound investment than a strip bar. I'm not an aging alcoholic douchebag who needs to be surrounded by young naked chics for an ego stroke.
Awwww, but Bill can be so sweet. }:D
My POV, owning a club is a shitty investment. If 90% of all businesses fail within the first few years, it the statistic must be even higher for stripclubs! Most of the ones down here are owned by Greeks or Lebanese and are passed down through family. They have those connections in place already to keep the proper palms greased. I don't want to be fighting with cops and angry wives on a daily basis just to maintain my shop!
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Katrine
My POV, owning a club is a shitty investment. If 90% of all businesses fail within the first few years, it the statistic must be even higher for stripclubs! Most of the ones down here are owned by Greeks or Lebanese and are passed down through family. They have those connections in place already to keep the proper palms greased. I don't want to be fighting with cops and angry wives on a daily basis just to maintain my shop!
I know a couple of club owners. They have way more money than me and dont seem to mind the bs. So saying owning a club is a shitty investment should be qualified by a statement that there is money to be made, and often lots of it, as long as you can live with being a sleazebag.
FBR
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Anyone not in the business will underestimate the investment of money, time, and trouble it will take to build the business. This is true, no matter the type of business. I've learned this running my own software firm (something I no longer do), running the technology end for someone else, and being a mere employee of a firm that actually knows what's involved and what's needed to run a software business correctly. I've also watched several successful restaurant owners over the years. In my mind there's probably nothing harder. Unless it's something like running a SC! Wow! It is somewhat amazing what any successful business takes. Especially the total amount of monetary investment it requires.
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I'm with paige! When I win the lotto, I'll get into the biz. But I'll buy an established club, not start my own. Zoning, permiting.... grrr.
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Honestly, I would love to, but to open a strip club is a multi-million dollar venture and I just don;t have millions of dollars. I think I could run one very well though.
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Having been in the business so long, I've seen what club owners and managers have to deal with. I never envied them.
Besides, to have a snowball's chance in hell of running a successful club, I think you have to have the kind of access to money and connections that comes only with belonging to certain "boy's club" networks. No girls allowed.
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well, if nobody takes a hit for the team and attempts to change that network, it will always be boys-only.
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^Well, I know there are clubs that are owned or managed by women, but they're few and far between, and usually off the beaten track somewhere.
I think there are some things going on behind the scenes in the industry that make it difficult for ANYONE--male or female--without the proper connections to get very far in this game. I could be wrong, though. I don't really know what I'm talking about, I just know that when I got a glimpse of what was going on behind the scenes, it seemed pretty daunting. I didn't ask too many questions though; I know when to keep my mouth shut.
Overall, it just seems too risky--I've seen people lose so much. A pissed-off priest, a few grandstanding politicians, a police raid, an IRS audit--and everything you've sunk into a location goes to shit. You're suddenly back to square one.
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because i have no desire to own a strip club?
that would be the #1 reason.
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Because to work in a club and own one are completly different. Most dancers can freelance from club to club if they wish. And also the investment and market research would be key to the vital success. All in all it would be a extreme risk of bankrup and also owning a club can get you many a headach and also alot of lawsuits if the code is not honered at all times.
I lived in the Nightlife my whole life I know the ins and outs of Nightclubs but stripclubs operate in a very different manner. They depend on a key to girls not leading a guy on as he can become (attached) and rather a stalker or something far worse the job is a headach and most girls dont want to stay in this job for there whole lives. This is most likely the reason as to why a bunch of dancers have yet to get together and randomly create one Not saying they havnt already but this is at least my logic. Hopefully its understandable and you can read my coherent babbling good day.