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May I please ask a serious question
Hi everyone. I have this vision of what I would like to see in a strip club and I want to open one some day because I like it. I was comenting it to one of my friends and she said "no offence but you wouldn't be able to handle all that involves being in htat industry because many strippers have issues and you would be able to see a person with problems and not want to help and it wouldn't be good for you"
I told her that I don't think that just because a person strips they only do it for drugs, booze or because of other resaons that may harm them and again said my vision is to make it something more than just what I've seen in clubs.
Am I right about this? I am a very sensitive person and I don't like to see people destry themselves and yes I'm the type of peson who wants to save people from bad things but this is a myth about strippers right?
Why do you strip? Are you happy about it? What would you like to have in a club? What is the bad, teh good and the ugly basically. Please if you have a moment answer because I would really like to know and understand. Thanks.
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Even though it's true that most dancers don't participate in "destructive behaviour", it's true that some do. And if you're too sensitive to be able to sit back and for the most part let people fuck up so they learn, then you really shouldn't run a place like a strip club. If you tried to save every girl "detroying herself" at your hypothetical club, it would take a toll on YOUR mental health and would run your life. :(
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imo, if you opened a strip club, you should be more concerned about your managers than the strippers.
Yeah, strippers have issues, but bad management will cost you a fortune. They will steal from you. I have this theory that the ones that worked their way up to management did so because they stole the least (or they were very good at covering it up.)
And if you empathize with fucked up people too much, your friend is right. Not all dancers are trainwrecks, but MANY are. Remember. It's a business. Not a half-way house. Why would you want to open one anyway? You never said.
as for why I strip. Um, we have a great dental plan. ::)
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I'm not a stripper, I'm going to address my concerns rather than your's.
- It's very difficult to start or assume control of a business in an industry you've never been a part of.
- It's very hard to run a business without any management experience. If you have managed people before you should know that everyone is fucked up and has their own personal set of issues.
- I'm always wary of someone who thinks they have invented a better wheel. The three most important things for any kind of bar/restaurant are location, location, location.
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I think I'm psychic! I knew what was going to be in this thread as soon as I read the title. ;D Is there a job market for a psychic stripper?
There are fucked up strippers and non-fucked up strippers, just like everyone else in this world. Obviously, you can't make a sweeping generalization either way. Personally, I've come across more non-fucked up strippers than the crazies.
To answer your questions: I strip for the money and freedom. I enjoy it. I also work in clubs who have some sort of standards for their girls. As in, if a girl is fucking up at a high rate of speed, they get rid of her. I haven't gone back to one particular club in weeks because there's this 40+ (not in a good way) crazy druged out woman that they won't fire. (Of course, since we are technically employees at that club, I can see why it's not as easy to give her the boot.)
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See I want to open a club with my husband and one of the members from here who is a friend of mine. I have been trying to find information and stuff, seeing it as a bussiness and a fantasy world but I never thought of things like that. I have to speak to my husband but he will agree with her I know it. My friend from here siad "Lola there are drugs all over in any place" and that is true, I mean like in any job but I wouldn't be able to just give my back to someone who is dealing with issues.
I have never danced at a club and I don't know what happends behind closed doors and this is why I came here to find out because i personally have n idea of how it is and I don't see it as a bda thing you know. Plus my friends are stable! moms who love to strip and speak well of it so I just now have to think this through.
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^You'll find a lot of info just lurking around here, then. Where are you located? It's not always easy to just open a strip club. (Take San Diego for example, sheesh!) :)
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See I was the manager of a security systems company and my husband isn't far from graduating, well getting his business degree, and having my friend help out I thought maybe there could be a good chance.
See ok a little about me, I'm a dancer who came to the states looking for a dream, had an accident can't dance anymore due to my back. I figured I can always choreograph and direct because I love to do it so much. I see stripping a a liberation and we frequent one that the girls are so wonderful and I don't know I'm so attracted at the stripping scene that I would love to have a place of my own you know? Does this make sense?
I'm not going to open one tomorrow you know I'm doing research and thisis part of it too.
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jersey? I hope you're connected, otherwise fuggetaboutit.
(seriously though, if you think drugs are your number one concern, you are not meant to run a SC.)
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Why? see I've been looking online but I can't seem to find much about things like laws, requirements or anything. I'm not limited to the idea of just Jersey, PA is also good.
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Just adding my .2 cents...
Take 20+ women, throw in some booze, some money and very high heels and you have the makings for distruction if you dont know how to handle it.
Rules, laws and stuff you will have to look into.
The good, the bad and the ugly =
The good- personally I work with a lot of really great people. I make a lot of really great money and I work a lot of NOT really long hours.
The bad- Men(most) are pigs, especially when drunk. Girls are catty. Some girls will break the rules no matter what.
The ugly- This is a very competetive business, cat fights, drugs, customers and TONS more stuff that I cant think of at this particular moment.
**disclaimer... its been a bad week out here in the wild wild west. My biggest problem.... the damn girls Im working with!!
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~As for strippers having problems.
Its my opinion that secretaries and sales associates have thier issues as well. The difference is that a sales associate comes to work sober and dressed professionally, with the mindset that work is not the place to talk about thier personal issues.
In a club we are naked and many of us are drinking. We are not putting on airs of being prim and proper in the hope of landing that raise. In the strip club its just easier to see who has issues because our guard is down.
Get your sales associates and secretaries drunk and in a bar and you will quickly see that many of them are as fucked up as the next person.
A professional stripper knows better than to get messed up in whatever issue is at hand, but just like in any area of employment you have good workers and bad ones.
Opening a strip club is a highly risky endeavour. I don't think its for the average Jane off the street, not unless you are already rich and can afford to lose the investment. No offence but you already seem too sweet and naive for the business.
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Oh well I really appreciate the honesty and I have to give this a lot of thought, wth is my friend anyway Return2thestage where are ya?
I had asked in another thread, and another forum but I'm new here and I am so lost! lol
I would love to know what you would like to see in a club?
What do you wish improved?
Basically what would be your ideal club?
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[QUOTE=High_Heel_Lover;1010714
I would love to know what you would like to see in a club?
What do you wish improved?
Basically what would be your ideal club?[/QUOTE]
A place that is classy, in a decent location that draws in quality customers, has very good earning potential, reasonable housefees, is picky with who they hire and will not let any skank in just to rake in more house fees, will not overload the place with girls so everyone can make money, has good security, management and bouncers who will actually watch what is going on, make sure rules are being followed and will be fired on the spot for taking money from dirty dancers to "ignore" them while they do their thing and has a strict policy on extras-you get caught, you're fired and will never be allowed back-EVER. I'm sure there's more, but I can't think of any right now..
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PA, NJ.. very very very hard to get licensing. NJ has a ton of go-go bars, very few classy and upscale ones, but the consumers dont want that. pa - philly specifically- is very saturated as a SC market. there are way more concerns than drugs, and i think you need to use the search function on here before asking any more questions. there is a LOT to learn about running a SC, and from what you've said you have good intentions but you have a lot to learn, oh young grasshopper. ;)
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I don't like to see people destry themselves and yes I'm the type of peson who wants to save people from bad things
Oh, that's rich--an SC owned by a white knight. You should just get out now while you can and forget about this fantasy.
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Well I mean if I see a person having problems I can't help myself but try to help. I dated a a man for 3 yrs thinking I was going to help him over come his drug use but he ended up being abusive and it hurt me a lot.
I have a family, and as much as I love the arts and I love the fact that selling sexuality and being able to express yourself with your body, I still need to support my family. There is a lot of money to be made and I've searched for what I've wanted for years and I haven't' come up with something that I can say "YES! that's it!' until now.
I need something I can enjoy, be creative and make money at the same time. I with my husband share this dream, weird that after 5 yrs together we find this out now, I mean one of our first dates was in a club and me getting a lap dance, followed by me getting pregnant that day lol but the point is that I saw what I saw and I felt shoot I would love to see a place better than this not just for the customer but for the dancers. I have no clue why but every single time I go to a club I end up talking to a dancer and I'm amazed that the difference is that we talk, we speak about things that I know they aren't speaking to a man about.
My husband, better just say his name cause it's getting weird, Brian, also a member here :hi honey if your reading: Brian is behind me 100 % and thinks it's a great idea. We spoke about maybe even moving to another state and perhaps having one somewhere else, so like I said before I'm not doing this tomorrow lol it's something we are really thinking about.
I would love to dance myself but believe me I look better with my clothes on than off, trust me! and if I can't do it myself I would love to manage it and I think that like any business there is good and bad but there is a fine line and perhaps I can learn what it is by speaking to you guys, you who see this every day and work with people.
I may come out being silly or stupid but I have nothing else that I can think of that could work :) I should just jump off a bridge lol
Oh and excuse my grammar, I'm terrible.
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I think in order to run a successful strip club u would have to view it as a business investment NOT a fantasy. I think if u r interested in it for the fantasy element then u should either dance yourself (and u might be hotter with clothes off than u think) or you should just enjoy strip clubs as a customer but don't invest your money into one.
As for the other part of your question:
- I strip coz I earn a very decent full time wage without doing full time hours. I cannot work much coz I am studying.
- I don't touch drugs at all whatsover.
- Sometimes I really like it and sometimes I really don't. it's the type of job that has highs and lows.
If you really want to help people maybe u could go into a helping professional such as a counsellor or something - I mean this seriously I am not being sarcastic. It takes a special person to do that sort of job and someone high on the empathy scales.
But running a strip club u will not be able to help people and I don't think u will get the sort of fulfilment u are after doing it.
While I think a lot of dancers are switched on, intelligent etc there are many who are fucked up and they won't appreciate u wanting to help them.
A lot of dancers (myself included) actually find it insulting when people assume they are fucked up and need saving.
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Maybe fantasy is the wrong word, let me just say I am from Puerto RIco and I at times think in Spanish and write in English lol
I understand what your saying Jaizaine and I'm not out to save the world or anything like that what my friend was trying to say was she knows that I can't just igonore something that needs attention and she said if someone comes in and becomes a problem, begins to use drugs or has other issues you won't be able to deal.
It's a hard thing for me to see a person self destruct (sp?) for example... Last year I met a girl on a chat room, sweet thing a fellow mom and she seemed like I don't know something felt wrong so i gave her my email add and I told her if you need anything email me.
The next day I log on and ther she is and she says "can I ask you something?' and I said "sure" and she said "what will xxx and xxxx medication do a person if taken more than recomended?" I knew she was trying to kill herself and I did what I had to do. I called my foster mom and asked her for the reactions of the medication, I called hte police and found out what st she was and had my husband try to get in through the computer, he's a computer geek lol, I finally got her to call me on my other phone and I got 911 to find her just in time. We still speak when we get a chance. The point is I was a wreck for a while cause I had no clue how she was? where she was? I did find out what hospital but she was all the way on the other side of the country and I am not family, so it took maybe 3 weeks for me to hear from her and know she was ok.
Damn sorry for the novel.
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Oh and believe me I don't look good naked, strtchmarks, I need to have my belly button fixed, hernia do to pregnancies so yeah, nope don't look good lol
I am out for the night, the baby woke up but I really am in hte search for htis and I thank each one of you for giving advice. I hope you have a great night.
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If you want to help sex workers, there's probably an alliance or something in your area you can volunteer for/donate to. I think that would be much more effective in helping sex workers rather than running a club and trying to control your dancers via management.
And as far as helping people, I can think of those in much more dire straights than most strippers. Like, I know some fucked up strippers, sure. But most of us have homes, money and are fairly healthy. Some people have no homes, are deadly ill and are clinging to life.
Or if you like the creative aspect maybe look into getting a sex store/exotic wear shop.
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Why don't you go be a housemom for a while? Then you can see how it is.
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I was just gonna say, she sounds like the ideal house mom
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