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not interested in the girl who can dance
I've been dancing for 5 years now and I feel that I'm one of the best dancers at my club. Not to mention I'm one out of three girls who have been there the longest. I dance my ass off when I'm onstage. I'm sexy, confident and I can move. However it seems alot of guys don't respond to me onstage and it's frustrating. Wouldn't you rather have a girl that can move rather than the girl who just stands there swaying her hips back and forth?? Why do you think I get the least tips when I'm one of the girls who dances the hardest??
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Re: not interested in the girl who can dance
Kaiarose,
You're looking at things through the eyes of a dancer. Those that watch you are looking at you through the eyes of a customer. There is a difference. Men react to far more blunt stimuli than women - and women react best to more subtle signals.
(It's why we get aroused quickly, and why women want more foreplay. Same idea in a strip venue; we react to blunt stimuli - nudity - far better than we react to subtle stimuli - accomplished dancing).
It may be that the dancers who stand there "just swaying their hips back and forth" are putting out more blatant "hey, I'm sexy" signals than you as far as the male of the species are concerned. If you're trying to be subtle, it may be going right over much of your audience's heads.
The other thing is how fast do you move on stage? You're obviously up there to put on a performance - "I dance my ass off". If you're a very accomplished dancer, fine, but accomplished dancers are not necessarily what your audience have come to see.
They want to see a naked Kaiarose, and if you're moving too fast, they won't be able to focus on those parts of you they want to look at. It can be very frustatating for the average customer sometimes - there's a dancer with a damn nice figure up on stage, but she's moving so fast her figure's a blur.
Phil.
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Re: not interested in the girl who can dance
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kaiarose
I've been dancing for 5 years now and I feel that I'm one of the best dancers at my club. Not to mention I'm one out of three girls who have been there the longest. I dance my ass off when I'm onstage. I'm sexy, confident and I can move. However it seems alot of guys don't respond to me onstage and it's frustrating. Wouldn't you rather have a girl that can move rather than the girl who just stands there swaying her hips back and forth?? Why do you think I get the least tips when I'm one of the girls who dances the hardest??
I really don't care how well the dancer can dance on stage. I don't think most guys do. I much more care about whether the dancer makes eye contact, smiles, looks like she is having fun, than her dance technique. How many guys do you know that like ballet? In a strip club,a poor dancer who is sexy will beat a good dancer hands down.
I remember seeing one dancer who did amazing pole tricks and dance moves, but in my mind she almost became sexless. The brain was amazed at the technical skills required, but the little brain didn't see a naked, sexy dancer. And the little brain makes us decide to go to a strip club. You do the math.
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I agree with what they've said, and it makes me sad. :'(
I love to dance and am really good at it, but I work at a nude club where all "real dancing" does is obscure the custies' view of what they really want to see.
I still dance on my own terms on stage, and I don't think it has hurt my standing among clientele (PS, if you come in and compliment my dancing skill, I treat you like royalty), but I do notice the girls who just strut around randomly spreading their legs or something get all the hoots and cheers.
I don't mind. I dance for myself. I think it feels incredibly sexy, and it helps me get into "the groove."
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I still dance my ass off on stage, but not like in a club. You have to put a stripper spin on it. You can shake your ass and do your pole tricks, but then slow it down, make eye contact with the custies. Smile at them and act as if you are having the time of your life and you are doing it just for them. I find looking at a custy over my shoulder and giving him a coy smile works well. Most of all you have to look like you are enjoying STRIPPING, not just dancing.
Also, at my club putting on a good show will get you major tips. I've never been rained on so many times! But all clubs are different and you have to take that into account as well.
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Maybe your just not communicating with the customers enough when your dancing. I dance my arse off too but I tend to make more $ on stage than most people.
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kaiarose
I've been dancing for 5 years now and I feel that I'm one of the best dancers at my club. Not to mention I'm one out of three girls who have been there the longest. I dance my ass off when I'm onstage. I'm sexy, confident and I can move. However it seems alot of guys don't respond to me onstage and it's frustrating. Wouldn't you rather have a girl that can move rather than the girl who just stands there swaying her hips back and forth?? Why do you think I get the least tips when I'm one of the girls who dances the hardest??
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what the guys said is true...
But I always appreciate a good dancer when I see one. Perhaps you don't have enough light and shade? No matter how good you are if you're dancing high octane pole tricks and gymnast type floorwork to a 150BPM song for 3 minutes it is going to be a) tiring, and b) not effective
Try dancing to slower music. Something like "buttons" by Pussycat, or even slower. That way you'll have to really drag out your moves and you're constantly having to wait that half a second and you can say rub your body or make eye contact in that time. Even a slow instrumental like harlem nocturne if allowed by the club. Or trying something with lots of breaks, mood changes, so you can do slow and sexy and gradually build up to the high energy stuff - like McLachlan's Delerium, Shakira's Objection, or "Do you only wanna dance" (Dirty Dancing soundtrack, forget the artist).
PS. I'm not an expert on exotic dancing. I've done choreography for exotic dancers and I've seen some really, really gifted dancers who are also sexy and I can remember what made them sexy. The main thing is they were technical brilliant, but they didn't look like they were trying to wow you with their flawless dancing. They danced with emotion. They didn't choose music too fast, and they usually chose really interesting music that had breaks and mood changes. They worked up from slow to climax1 back to some floorwork then climax2, etc. Oh and don't actually try too hard, and smile (if you aren't)... as a last resort just change clubs if you're in a club with clientele that wants the cheap shit dancing and won't appreciate quality
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What Phil W said is right on. As many sales books teach, "one must look at what they are selling in the eyes of a potential customer".
Guys aren't really excited in the stage show, they are interested or not interested in who is performing. Some, if sitting at the tip rail may just tip each dancer out of courtesy, but really only be interested in 1 or 2 dancers if that for dances.
You may want to consider when on stage dancing slower and observing who may be looking at you. If you notice one or two guys in the crowd or at the rail doing so, give them a few seconds of intense eye contact and a flirty smile. Then focus your dance on them. Don't worry about the pole or any acrobatics.
Once you have someone enthralled in you, tell them to move to a table away from the stage if they are at the tip rail, right before your last song is over. If they do, IMMEDIATELY upon the end of your last song, go to their table, make some small talk and sell them on a dance(s).
You'll be more successful working the stage in this manner than in merely dancing for the crowd.
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you are also advertising what a lap dance might be like. personally i prefer a sweet companion rather than a girl climbing all over me leg on my shoulder coochie in my face etc etc. i'd pick the hip swayer.
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You know it could also be that the girl sitting there swaying her hips back and forth is easier to reach and therefore easier to tip! If you're dancing and moving around a lot the guys just may not be able to get to you.
From what I've seen, the tips always flow when a dancer is in one spot for a while, making great eye contact. It can take punters a while to to work up the courage/effort to reach out and tip, so you want to give them the time and and easy target!
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What evryone has said is right, you have to look at it from the custy's point of view :( I love pole tricks and would love to just get up there and have my own fun but I've learned to slow it down a bit. You can still dance, do pole tricks but just slow it all down a bit and always be involving the audience - eye contact, smiling etc...
At the end of the day the guys are simple, they want naked chicks not gymnastics.
In my experience the best dancer usually isn't the biggest earner. It's sad. :'(
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Yup. It took me a long time to accept the fact that a too-energetic stage show is actually something of a detriment to the earnings potential of a stripper.
Slow it down. Find some hot moves that satisfy your urge to dance while also making the custys drool....Lots of splits, backbends, floorwork, etc. Express some exaggerated version of your real sexuality...I think I found a way to do this, and guys would express appreciation that I put on a good show, but they'd also be interested in taking me for lapdances.
Sometimes I just felt like dancing and went all-out for my own satisfaction, but with the understanding that it wouldn't necessarily increase my money....
It's a little frustrating, I agree.
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If you work in Wisconsin, this is just my opinion, but people up there are just spoiled. I go up there from Chicago a few times a year and am always amazed at the amount of talent I see on stage. Eye contact is great and stuff, but when I see an athletic pole dancer who is in her own zone, I always show appreciation for her performance. I love well toned legs with bruises from all the pole work. Wisconsin just has too many girls with your kind of skill. Come down to Illinois where less than 30% of the dancers have any sort of skill on stage.
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I agree somewhat. I am a very good pole dancer and I start off my set by doing amazing tricks - that gets their attention and then I start doing my slow, sexy moves. I have been given very large tips from people admiring the skills of my tricks and we dont even really tip here in Australia.
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Lio
If you work in Wisconsin, this is just my opinion, but people up there are just spoiled. I go up there from Chicago a few times a year and am always amazed at the amount of talent I see on stage. Eye contact is great and stuff, but when I see an athletic pole dancer who is in her own zone, I always show appreciation for her performance. I love well toned legs with bruises from all the pole work. Wisconsin just has too many girls with your kind of skill. Come down to Illinois where less than 30% of the dancers have any sort of skill on stage.
This is so true! There are many times where I have danced in a club here in WI and have been the only girl who doesn't do any pole tricks. But when I travel to other states, many of the girls don't really put on a show on stage and just kind of walk back and forth and pose. I think it's because at a lot of the clubs here, you have to go on stage so often that girls try to learn cool new moves to not only keep the custies entertained, but to keep themselves from getting bored on stage too. But pole tricks do not come easily to me at all and not doing them never hurt my money, so I was content not doing them.
And I agree that most guys do not care about how good your stage show is. Looking seductive and looking like you're having fun is the most important thing. Many guys prefer slow and sensual dancing to a high-energy fast paced stage show as well.
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Wouldn't you rather have a girl that can move rather than the girl who just stands there swaying her hips back and forth??
Yes, but... ;)
On the stage, speed kills. Slower is usually better though I've seen some very energetic dancers and have appreciated them quite well--especially if you consider the danger in that kind of dancing on a stripping stage. All that said, some of the girls these days aren't even making an attempt at dancing--they're just showing their bits and plastering the faces of people at the rail with their breasts. Not particularly creative or attractive.
Sure, there's some of us that appreciate a good dancer, but given the downward trend of the business, I can see where it would be frustrating to many girls.
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I don't mind. I dance for myself.
And those girls are the best. :)
<S> RD
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I think I know why, as I can relate to this. A lot of girls who can't dance, do pole tricks, whatever actually go up and get more in the customer's faces... doing little tricks in front of them, whatever... I think because they're getting more up close and personal guys are paying them more... no matter how good of a dancer you are, I don't think anybody cares if you're standing like ten feet away from them. Personally, I don't care, I'd rather dance around because even though you may be making less money on STAGE, you are getting great advertising up there and people will be more likely to grab you for lapdances, where you make your real money anyway
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Regardless of her hair color, skin tone, breast size, athletic ability what have you, the most powerful weapons a dancer will ever have are the ones right above her nose. Never ever forget this.
I love a good athletic stage show, but I like to show a gal who can put one on some acknowledgment. If you're moving so fast on stage that my eyes can't lock onto yours...well...I feel as though you're ignoring me, not to mention the gratuity I've offered you.
Its rather frustrating when you're trying to get a gal's attention at the rail and it seems she would rather look at herself in the mirror (which you think would show that you're back there).
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Kaia, I think all this feedback has been really constructive. How to put it all together? I think variety is the key. You CAN still be a good dancer, but maybe the way you structure your sets can be mixed up a little. Even the guys who aren't fans of pole work have to admit that it is good for one thing: getting your attention. So open with the eye-catchers, then slow it on down & make with the Kaa-like hypnotic gaze.
Throughout your set, too, you can use your high energy and your technique, but maybe start thinking of them as accents rather than the main attraction. Throw a high kick in - but continue to roll your hips afterwards. Drop off the top of the pole into the splits - and then crawl towards one guy in slo-mo (eyeseyeseyes). That way you're still grabbing their attention - but instead of grabbing their attention and then overloading them with a lot of frenetic dancing, you grab it and start displaying and seducing.
This is stuff I've had to learn (and am still learning), as a classically trained dancer. ACCENT your stage time with the dazzling stuff. Then roll around on the floor like everyone else. ;)
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Moving slow and sensuous is much better than dancing fast with a lot of movement. Slow and sensuous on stage means slow and sensuous in VIP.
Most guys at the SC are semi-drunk and their senses are working in slow motion, and seeing someone dance fast with a lot of movement confuses our simple minds. /:O
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RoseWhite
n. Throw a high kick in - but continue to roll your hips afterwards. Drop off the top of the pole into the splits - and then crawl towards one guy in slo-mo (eyeseyeseyes). That way you're still grabbing their attention - but instead of grabbing their attention and then overloading them with a lot of frenetic dancing, you grab it and start displaying and seducing.
WORKS!
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kaiarose
I've been dancing for 5 years now and I feel that I'm one of the best dancers at my club. Not to mention I'm one out of three girls who have been there the longest. I dance my ass off when I'm onstage. I'm sexy, confident and I can move. However it seems alot of guys don't respond to me onstage and it's frustrating. Wouldn't you rather have a girl that can move rather than the girl who just stands there swaying her hips back and forth?? Why do you think I get the least tips when I'm one of the girls who dances the hardest??
men are rough, woman should be sensual....opposites attract
Rough, fast moving stripers dont turn me on, slow sensual once do.
I've also had a few rough fast moving lapdances, and know how much it hurts when she slams down on your lap......your dance on stage, shows what can come later....it's your advertising baner.
side note; this doesn't mean I don't like rough play, I do, just not in the SC.
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Kaiarose I would assume you have always been a good dancer and only recently you have had this problem. I would then draw the conclusion that dancing is not the problem maybe it is the simple fact that the regulars are not appreciating you. Take those dance moves to another club and see what happens. I know I sometimes take my regular clubs for granted.
I also believe if you dance like a feature that was great for the 80's but now its all about the slow grind.
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GuyPOV
I also believe if you dance like a feature that was great for the 80's but now its all about the slow grind.
Maybe for you..
I have really high energy shows with lots of pole dancing and extra shit like paint, fire, shower etc...
I can go anywhere in this country and make great stage tips, even in places where tipping is far from the norm.
Its all about eye contact and getting the guys into the show.
If you go up there and dance your ass off but ignore the guys then your not going to get tipped.
If you go up and dance your ass off but still interact with the guys you will make money.
Body language and hand motions and eye contact are the key to a high energy show. Also SMILE.
I really need to get one of my shows recorded and posted lol.
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^^^There is always exceptions to the norm. Dance your ass off make your money. I'll tip you. I'm a sucker for some eye contact.