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That bitch is charging too much for dances!! The NERVE!!!
At work the other night I was in the dressing room freshening up and I overheard some chic actually *bitching* that some other girl was charging $20 for a dance. Our standard price is $10. Now really, as long as the girl is up front about it, I don't see the problem. WTF does anyone care if we charge MORE than normal price, unless you're just a jealous little twat???
That of course started a discussion among a few girls about how our prices are just too low in AZ. The rest of the damn country charges $20 or MORE. We feel we are underpaid. One girl suggested maybe we should all just start charging $20 until that becomes the standard here. It's about damn time we catch up with the rest of the country, wouldn't ya think? I mean, it seems money potential here isn't any better these days than any other place, so why do twice the work for same (or less) money? Furthermore, contact levels have GREATLY increased over the last couple years and many customers are starting to expect an entirely inordinate amount of contact for a pissy $10 ::) ugh
Backstory: For a long time the posted dance price at my club was $8, even though for at LEAST 2 years everyone charged $10 and customers paid it. Until finally the club just removed the stupid $8 sign and started enforcing the $10 price. So, if the girls managed to raise the price once by simply working together and charging more, why couldn't we do that again?
Our VIP is currently $25/song with a 3-song minimum. I personally do a 4-song minimum so I just say "4 for $100 and then $25/song after that". Works just fine. Why couldn't we just start charging $20 for dances and 3/$100 in VIP? I know this would have to be done all over town to make it work, but ya know, if chics would use their heads and go with it, we could get it done. I also realize that getting a city-full of strippers to actually work together is MUCHMUCHMUCHMUCHMUCH easier said than done, but dammit. We could do it.
Ehh, a girl can dream, I guess ::)
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Re: That bitch is charging too much for dances!! The NERVE!!!
I like the easy sell down here in Tucson. I like to just stay busy all night.
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Re: That bitch is charging too much for dances!! The NERVE!!!
Yeah, Bridgette...I guess the rest of the country IS spoiled compared to you ladies in AZ. I know that some girls at Rick's were charging $20 a dance anyway on Thursdays and Sundays $10 dance nights....I just didn't want to break any rules with the whole changeover thing. As independent contractors I don't see why you guys can't charge the $20 if upfront about it with the customer. Do they at least shorten the songs or what? Yeah...that is different. You guys bust ass over there!!!
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Re: That bitch is charging too much for dances!! The NERVE!!!
i worked where dances were 20 a song and you still had girls doing 3/40 or 5/60 and so forth because they thought 'the easy sell' was better. they often kept busy, but not necessarily.
case in point that i posted about ages ago: a top earner undercut on dance prices, and i charged more per dance and earned pretty close to her averages (within 50-100 per shift, working the same or slightly fewer hours) despite doing fewer dances and getting fewer stage tips. but yet if you were to tell her she should charge more, she'd invoke the whole easy-sell angle and swear she made the most money selling cheaper dances.
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Re: That bitch is charging too much for dances!! The NERVE!!!
Wait.. your back in Az B? *blinks*
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^ im with you... im lost..
but i think that you should all unified start charging more! 10 a dance is SOOOO cheap!
ill take ten dances please :)
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Im gonna put a tracking device on B just cuz tryin to figure out where she is each day is confusing the hell out of me :O
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Re: That bitch is charging too much for dances!! The NERVE!!!
Um, this is why I put what I did on my location. LOL ;D
Yes I'm back in Phx, and my pocketbook is suffering for it :(
As for the easy-sell thing. Yeah, I was cool with that a couple years ago, but since business has been steadily declining while contact has been going up the last couple years, I'm not so cool with it anymore. Furthermore, I tend to think the easy-sell argument is a bit of a lazy-ass copout.
And while I'm dreaming, I think the city stripper license fee should be raised to AT LEAST $200/year. I have seen first-hand how that kind of thing drastically limits club-hopping and massive influxes of girls to spread the money too thin. We've got waaaaaaayy too many girls here lately, and it's gotten ridiculous. Raise license fees and get rid of some of that shit. I'd promote and vote for that all day long. Mebbe someone should put a bug in a couple city council members' ears ;D
In the meantime, can you chics just quit moving here already??? We don't have the business to support it. Seriously.
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Re: That bitch is charging too much for dances!! The NERVE!!!
I dunno B... the license in Toronto is almost $400 and we still have a lot of ermm.. questionable dancers..
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Re: That bitch is charging too much for dances!! The NERVE!!!
Well I'm not even talking about questionable dancers, I'm talking about just TOO DAMN MANY GIRLS. It sucks some serious ass when you walk around the room and every dude has a chic on his lap already, except maybe the one who doesn't have any money ::)
And to expand my comments on the whole easy-sell vs. higher price thing. I have always found it easier to simply sell a $20 dance and then make him buy 3-4 or 10 more by *gasp* doing a good dance. So while some girls are running around trying to get one dude to buy 3/$50, I'm dancing circles around them AT A HIGHER PRICE. But yenno, I don't know much, I've only been at it nigh on 12 years.
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I totally don't understand the logic of bitching that other girls charge MORE. Now undercutting is a different story, but you're right on the money (so to speak), Bridgette!
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I know what you mean B... we still have too many dancers here.... god if our license was cheaper I cant imagine how it would be. But yea PHX license is way too damn cheap thats for sure.... no wonder your over run by girls.
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I think all the girls should agree to do $20 minimum - that benefits u all.
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I know what you mean by the idea of every girl charging more and setting a standard. When I worked in Tampa, superbowl 00 I went to wrk and all girls were charging $30-$40/dance. It was soo easy b/c EVERY girl didit and the guys WANTED the dances so they had no choice. If a girl tried to undercut, it seemed she would be blackballed out of the club. After that, the standard went to $25/$30 when they were $20 before.
I miss those days.
Maybe you can talk to the girls about what the dances are actually worth and how everyone would benefit if they all stuck toghether.
Idk, I tried that in my last club at Superbowl and they were too ignorant to understand.
Good luck and I feel your pain.
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the problem is that there is always one girl who uses the undercut as her sell. even when dances are 10$, there is someone out there doing 2/15 and whatnot. and if there are consistently more girls than customers, that girl may very well make money on a lot of slow nights. i worked briefly at one slow club where that very situation occurred. the only girl making money consistently was just lowballing and lowballing until a guy would spend even 5-10$, and she would just go around getting even that little bit from every guy in the room when there were 3 girls to every dude. while the other girls struggled to sell a single 20$ dance.
granted, once management caught on, she was no longer allowed to work, but in the meantime, it had worked for her. to some extent, bridgette's point about somehow capping the number of girls is a valid one, because otherwise the lowballer WILL sometimes bank off it, sometimes more often than the girl offering full price dances, particularly when there's too many girls.
all that said, i have charged more even when the going rate was x and still done ok. in one club, once i stopped charging the posted rate of 20$ and charged double, i made more money off fewer customers and still got tipped a decent percentage of the time. and after that i couldn't really go back to charging 20 a song if i could get more, and surprisingly, once you get used to assuming you are worth that, one can often get more.
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Re: That bitch is charging too much for dances!! The NERVE!!!
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Originally Posted by
miabella
all that said, i have charged more even when the going rate was x and still done ok. in one club, once i stopped charging the posted rate of 20$ and charged double, i made more money off fewer customers and still got tipped a decent percentage of the time. and after that i couldn't really go back to charging 20 a song if i could get more, and surprisingly, once you get used to assuming you are worth that, one can often get more.
Exactly. I always try to go for more, never less. I KNOW with all my being that I'm worth it, and even if I miss a sale here and there I still benefit by not giving in to pressure to sell for less and moving on to someone else. Because again, I just KNOW there is someone else who'll pay better. If more girls would get it through their heads that cheaper is NOT better we would ALL be better off. Why do yall think the oil companies make so much money? Because they all agree to charge more, and everyone pays because they have to. Stripclub customers are not just going to disappear ladies, there will ALWAYS be plenty of men who want what we sell just like people are always going to need oil, and if we simply start charging more, they will have no choice but to pay it. Plain and simple.
A perfect example is something that happened to me just the other night. This guy was trying to get it for cheap and rather than give in because it was slow and he was the ONLY empty lap in the place, I upped the ante and said "no honey, $20 take it or leave it." You know what he did? He said "smart girl" and bought the dance - 3 more times. Now I know there are more than enough guys who'll leave it, but you know what, the more you don't offer them a choice, the more they'll start taking what you offer.
Just like I set my own VIP minimum of 4 dances instead of the club-set standard of 3. No one refuses it because I'm demanding a 25% bigger sale right off the bat. They take it and 9 times out of 10 they keep buying once the 4 dances are done. Part of it is that I know just how to turn up the heat and just when to keep them wanting more, but the biggest thing is simply that I KNOW I'm worth it.
Occasionally I'll get guys who try to bargain and Ijust walk away. And you know what? I always get someone else to pay regular price OR MORE within 2 songs of turning down the cheapo.
Another thing. When you raise your expectations you attract a better customer. When you lower the bar you attract worse customers. It snowballs. Like when clubs run too many specials and promos, you get flooded with cheapasses. If you always expect that no one is going to buy at $x price or that they'll ONLY buy at $y price, guess what? That's exactly what you're going to get! I'm not saying I don't get my fair share of cheapass assholes, but I'm telling you I get MORE nice customers because I EXPECT IT AND KNOW I DESERVE IT, AND REFUSE TO SETTLE FOR CRAP.
Even on the crappy-ass slow days I still make money. Obviously not as much as the busy days, not gonna happen. But what do we say here alllllllllll the time? That if you sit around bitching about not making money - you won't make money!!! So I don't do that, and I may not make a fortune every time I go to work, but I make enough to feel it was worth my time.
I know I've been complaining a bit lately about the low$ here in Phx. But still, everyday I go to work I EXPECT to make money, I put in the effort, and I DO make money.
How do you get the majority of other girls to realize this though???
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Re: That bitch is charging too much for dances!! The NERVE!!!
I found the $10 dances much easier to sell, and I could keep busy for hours at a time. Not to mention the fact that when I worked in AZ, I made more money and it was more consistent than any other place I have ever worked. It pissed me off when custies would tell me that girls were charging $20/dance, because the custies who actually believe that's the norm hold onto their money longer until they find the "right" girl and then they don't seem to spend as much. If girls want to charge $20, that's fine, but I think they should disclose that the minimum is $10 by saying something like, "Well, the minimum is $10, but people usually pay $20/song."
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I have to say I think it's fine too. It is so unfair that lapdances are 10 dollars, I could see a "table dance" being ten dollars, but please... lapdance? I know a lot of girls where I work charge 25 dollars instead of 20 dollars for a lapdance when the club is crowded... I don't see the problem. If they can get it, that's cool. We also have a cool VIP set up... the minimum we can charge for an hour is 400 dollars, (most girls charge between 400 and 600) but if we can get them to spend more than that, say 700 an hour, we're totally allowed to do it. Why not?
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Being from Vegas then comming to Phoenix for a week.....The $10 dances gotta go. Yeah, its an easier sell, but fuck, you work 10 times as hard! Plus as if $10 werent cheap enough, then they give free dances a few times a night. Buy 1 get 1 free. Im thinkin fuck!! Isnt $10 enough? Why they gotta give away free dances to?
Plus I noticed repeat dances are much harder to sell, and VIP is close to impossible. In Vegas, the sell might be tougher, but repeats are easy to sell, and I can expect at least 1 VIP a night.
I would totally support a stripper strike on the $10 dances. They suck, and make me homesick for Vegas.
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Re: That bitch is charging too much for dances!! The NERVE!!!
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Originally Posted by
shasta
I like the easy sell down here in Tucson. I like to just stay busy all night.
Yeah. I just wish the Candy Store would pick up the pace... STILL $5 for a fucking floor dance. Now even Curves has raised the dance price, so CS is the cheapest. $5 for 3 minutes? FFS!
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Re: That bitch is charging too much for dances!! The NERVE!!!
The Phoenix market is based on volume. $10 dances are easier to sell if a club has momentum and guys feel obligated to buy dances. More guys buy dances in the better Phoenix area clubs than in many clubs where dances are $20.
BUT, with the Phoenix area being #1 for population growth in the entire country, that factor alone is driving more strippers into the market. Plus this business is on the decline everywhere, so you are looking at a situation where there is an increase of employees and a decrease in customers. Lower prices only work in situations where volume is high.
With too many girls, a dancer doesn't have a continual stream of guys to approach, and without being able to do 7-10 dances an hour consistently, money is going to be hit and miss.
But in a market where dances not too long ago were $5, and just over the last few years were raised to $10, jumping the price to $20 may be too much too fast. Maaaybe $15 could work.
That is why I don't dance there anymore, or in any big city clubs. The dancer customer ratio is waaaay out of whack, and I can't make enough money to live on in that kind of situation. Even the smaller rural clubs I book at have gotten slower lately, but I still make about twice as much than in Phoenix clubs where dancers exceed customers every night.
The only thing I see happening at some point is girls who got into this business looking for quick money becoming discouraged with paying out more than they make every night, and with only occasional good nights, and quitting. Then the dancer to customer ratio could become more balanced and it wouldn't be so draining trying to make money.
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I kinda agree and I kinda dont. Phx is the most fun, low stress place I've ever worked. I want $20 a song, but worry that the price increase would change the entire industry here (more contact, higher house fees, more stress). I'd still go for it tho, I'm worth $20 a song dammit!!!
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Re: That bitch is charging too much for dances!! The NERVE!!!
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Originally Posted by
Mileia777
Yeah, Bridgette...I guess the rest of the country IS spoiled compared to you ladies in AZ. I know that some girls at Rick's were charging $20 a dance anyway on Thursdays and Sundays $10 dance nights....I just didn't want to break any rules with the whole changeover thing. As independent contractors I don't see why you guys can't charge the $20 if upfront about it with the customer. Do they at least shorten the songs or what? Yeah...that is different. You guys bust ass over there!!!
This color is impossible to read babe!
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I love that the nude club standard here is $40 for about 2:20 worth of dancing. Granted, you have two way contact going on, but it's over with before you know it. lol
I have worked where girls charge $40 for a "normal" dance, where they attempt to keep the guy's hands off them at all times, or they can upgrade to $50 for the standard amount of contact. I say, the less work you have to do, the better. True, you have crazy tip outs in most of these clubs but you make the money so FAST, not out of getting $10 here and there. That would drive me crazy.
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Well, I was totally cool with the $10 thing a couple years ago, and even 1 year ago. Because we had the volume to make it worthwhile. But the decline has made the $10 thing more a pain in the ass than anything else. We don't get the guys tipping as much as we used to, so you're LUCKY if some dude decides to *bless* you with a whole $10 tip on 10 dances. I do 4-10 dances in a row for many dudes every night, and frankly at $10/song it's getting on my nerves. I KNOW we can sell it at a higher price - girls who are afraid of losing money if we raise prices are selling themselves short.
We get all these out of town guys who *would* pay $20 or MORE but they find out the standard is $10 and they just think of it as a bargain and spend the same OR LESS than they would have anyway. From my experience here and everywhere else, guys get cheap when 1) there are too many girls and 2) we price it too cheap. We need caps on the number of girls flooding the clubs here first and foremost. I have seen how an expensive license and heavy regulation cuts down the number of girls AND the amount of clubhopping which also exacerbates the problem - I say we need that here. We also need higher prices - low prices only attract the cheapo customers, not the good spenders we want.
I don't say all this because I'm intimidated or can't hustle. I can hustle my ass off and dance circles around most the chics here every night, regardless of how many girls we have working. I say this because, since we are at a point now where we have as many girls as paying customers (or MORE girls), it is simply IMPOSSIBLE to make as much money anymore. You either have to work twice as long or just settle for less. I've been working twice as long but I can't keep that up indefinitely. I walk around the room, and where I USED TO have 1-5 guys frantically waving me over at any given time, now I'm lucky to find ONE guy with an empty lap!!
It's all about how you present it ladies. If you feel it's only worth $10 and think that's all you can get, as I've said before, THAT'S ALL YOU WILL EVER GET. But as soon as you present it as being worth more, guys believe it and pay more. $10 just makes us look cheap in the custies' eyes.
There are places where customers pay a whole lot more for less action than we do here. If they can do it there, we can do it here. It will take some adjustment, but IT CAN BE DONE.
Tina is right on the money that with the population growth here, the number of strippers coming into this market is growing way too fast. Our customer counts are going down, but our stripper counts are going up. That's bad news. I cringe every time I see a new girl join here saying she's just moved to Phx or is waiting on her 19th b-day so she can start dancing in the topless clubs. It's just another hand spreading the money thinner and thinner.
Money is ALREADY about the same here as most other cities I've danced in. It's no better than anywhere else anymore. So having more and more girls is only going to further decrease our money to the point where this city will just SUCK ASS to dance in because not only do we have too few customers, but we can't even get a decent damn price for dances ::)
I want more regulation that's enforced ON THE CLUBS as well as the girls (that's the only way contact will be kept down). I want much more expensive and less attainable licensing for everyone in the industry. I want girls to look at the requirements to dance here and think, "geez it costs THAT MUCH just to start working at a stripclub there? I don't think it's worth travelling for...." And dammit, I want prices that are more inline with the rest of the country. Even hourly VIPs here are too cheap. $2-300 an hour??? WTF planet are these people from?