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what do you think affects your earning potential the most?
I'm a little tipsy, it's 5 a.m. and my mind is wandering onto work-related things.
Which of these factors do you think have the most impact on how much you are able to earn at work...and why? (I know, the ideal situation is to have ALL of the below going for you, :P but suppose you had to choose just 1 or 2 of these factors as making the most difference...which would you pick?)
Looks?
Sales skills/knowledge?
Busy club? (and/or the atmosphere of the club--whether or not they cultivate a vibe that compels people to spend $$.)
Confidence level?
Sheer persistence?
If you think there's another "most important" factor that I didn't include, what is it and why do you think it makes the most difference in your money?
(wow...and I only had to proofread this five times to get it to make sense. No more vodka; time for bed!)
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If you think there's another "most important" factor that I didn't include, what is it and why do you think it makes the most difference in your money?
... the amount of money that typical customers bring with them when they walk in the club's front door ! The most beautiful dancer can apply her masterful sales skills in a club full of customers - with all the confidence in the world - and persist to the point of becoming annoying - but if the average customer has only brought enough money to pay the cover charge + the drink minimum + $40 for tips and a private dance, that dancer's earning potential is going to suck !
On the other hand, if there is a 1 to 1 customer to dancer ratio, but if half the customers have brought $1000 to spend on private dances / VIP, then that dancer's earning potential is going to be much higher !
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2. Looks
4. Sales skills/knowledge
3. Busy club (and/or the atmosphere of the club--whether or not they cultivate a vibe that compels people to spend $$.)
1. Confidence level
5. Sheer persistence
I just numbered them the way I think they help me most. I might've put looks as number 3, but I have a bit of a unique look that stands out in most places. It's pretty hard to miss the redhead with BIG tits and glasses, especially when wearing outfits that are usually rather eye-catching. There is never another girl in the club that looks quite like me. I rated confidence and club atmosphere higher than sales skills, because frankly, I don't see this as being all that sales-based, at the core - guys either like something about you and have the money to spend or they don't. And if you put the best of the best hustlers with the most confidence in a shitty club they'll find it hard to make decent money. I think your sales skills only shine in a club that suits your style and has at least a somewhat spendy atmosphere.
Also agreed with Melonie's point. You can't get blood from a turnip, and the notion that there's infinite money in a club is pure and simple a crock of shit. Put a bunch of people with Hyundai budgets on a Jaguar lot and you will NOT sell one car.
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For me...persistance.
Persistance has the biggest affect on my earnings. No matter how good you look, how awesoem your skills are, it don't matter if you aren't talking to people. The more peopel you talk with, the more money you will make. ( of course, quality matter to, just wanna dancing all night will get you nowhere, so quality and quanity matter)
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^Like everything else in Vegas, you gotta play the numbers there ;D
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Originally Posted by
Picaresque
I'm a little tipsy, it's 5 a.m. and my mind is wandering onto work-related things.
Which of these factors do you think have the most impact on how much you are able to earn at work...and why? (I know, the ideal situation is to have ALL of the below going for you, :P but suppose you had to choose just 1 or 2 of these factors as making the most difference...which would you pick?)
Looks?
Sales skills/knowledge?
Busy club? (and/or the atmosphere of the club--whether or not they cultivate a vibe that compels people to spend $$.)
Confidence level?
Sheer persistence?
If you think there's another "most important" factor that I didn't include, what is it and why do you think it makes the most difference in your money?
(wow...and I only had to proofread this five times to get it to make sense. No more vodka; time for bed!)
I think a few of those factors are related to each other, but above all, I think CONFIDENCE wins. "Confidence" is an important part of what makes up "sales skills," which I think is #2 on that list. "Persistence" can be considered part of one's sales skills.
In some cases if the club is abbbbsolutely dead most of the time, "Atmosphere/business of the club" might be an even more significant factor than confidence or sales skills. After all, you could be the most confident and smoothest salesperson around, but if the club has literally no customers in it, you can't do too much!
However, I think that ALL of those factors are important when it comes to earnings.
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1. Confidence--if you don't have that you might as well go home
2. Personality/sales skills---my personality is my hustle
3. Looks--I think my looks get their initial attention, but the confidence and personality take them to the next level.
4. Busy club--luckily I work for one of the busiest clubs in town, and we get a lot of good money custies in there
Persistence doesn't really play into it for me, it's more about the big boobs and a smile;) . If I'm told no I might try to pursuade them, but I don't persist like some of the girls do. And I don't go back and keep asking if they've already said no, unless they've asked me to come back.
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For me I my number 1 thing effecting my earning potential is my positive attitude (smile). I'm not cheery enough to be annoying tho unless I've had five cups of coffee or a few energy drinks in which case I tend to be overwhelming. I suppose confidence and sales skills come after that.
Even those few days when I feel really rotten I still tend to make pretty decent sales, but on the bad days rather than cheering everyone I tend to attract the very submissive type of a customer. Like, sitting at the bar, having a customer say hi, my response being a stare that could kill... And theirs being "would you like a bottle of champagne?" I think it's just confidence and sales skills at that point.
Btw by sales skills I don't necessarily mean just sales but rather being able to read people enough to know how to make the sale rather than just enforcing a certain sales technique by persistance.
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I think not being able to hide my being annoyed with cheap or problem customers very well hurts my earnings from time to time.
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1. The Club !!!!!! No point having killer looks (or a look that sells), sales skills and the best confidence in the world if there are no patrons and/or the dancers out number the patrons and/or the general "vibe" of the club is crap. The club and everything about the club is the first and foremost from my experience. Even things such as how much I have to tip out working there, the morale and all that...
2. Sales Skills/Personality -- which are the one and same for me. My personality (aka stripper persona) is part of my hustle ;) tho even when I don't feel I'm looking the best if my sales skills are up to par then no problems there in making money
3. Looks -- first impressions count and you want to make yourself unique in some way yet I put it below sales skills/personality as sometimes the biggest money makers in a club aren't necessarily the "beautiful" (and it isn't because they are doing extras or anything). When I say "beautiful" I mean those that have done their hair, nails, etc.
4. Confidence Level / Persistence -- I put them on the same level as you need the confidence in order to keep going and persist in spite of the night being slow or whatever. Thus like the Sales Skills/Personality they are on par with each other (and affects each other).
I've found thru my own experience and that of others is that if you lack confidence then you definately won't be persistent.
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^^^
really true.
On a night by night basis I find that my mood is the biggest variable factor in whether I will have a good nnight - of course I mean if the club is busy every night.
If I am not in a good mood or I am tired I just dont make money plain and simple.
I also agree with GCG that the club is the most important factor.
After that I would actually go for looks next. Esp on the busier nights where hustle is not as important. At my club on saturdays you sell dances based on your looks because it's a 1 min hustle at most.
Then confidence, then sales skills. I chose confidence first because in my case at least if I am not feeling confident in myself I wont even approach the guys. Good sales skills are redundant if you can't even walk up and initiate conversation.
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3. Confidence-
4. Personality/sales skills-
2. Looks
1. Busy club, good clientelle, $$...
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Please forgive me for thread-jacking however I am ever so curious as to why people would put THE CLUB (and everything associated with it such as general morale, management, fees, no. of patrons, vibe, etc etc) near the bottom of your lists?
How can anything else trump this one very important thing?
I'm trying to understand.
As I said in my previous post, you can have all the confidence, personality, looks and everything "down pat" yet if you constantly work in a club where there is a lack of patrons and/or dancers out number the patrons and/or just no money potential (or any decent money potential) for whatever reason plus a million other things associated with the club itself .... I find it useless to have that confidence, the looks, the skills.
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For me, the club has to be busy and upbeat with decent staff. If there are people in the room--i can work with that and get sales.
I need numbers in my favor because men like cookie-cutter strippers here. Hell, SOMEONE has got to like me, lol,
Next confidence (b/c you need the balls to work), and looks (because no matter how you cut it--you have to appeal to as many custies as possible). Sales skills are important, but if you are confident and look good, sales skills are simply just the gift of gab.
So yeah...the CLUB's quality/vibe is everything to me. It has to mix with my vibe.
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Looks is the most important thing. I'm not actually talking about the face though. I'm talking about the ass. The guy needs to see a nice ass, because that is really all he is gonna be looking at when you and facing the other way grinding on him.
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Originally Posted by
GoldCoastGirl
Please forgive me for thread-jacking however I am ever so curious as to why people would put THE CLUB (and everything associated with it such as general morale, management, fees, no. of patrons, vibe, etc etc) near the bottom of your lists?
How can anything else trump this one very important thing?
I'm trying to understand.
As I said in my previous post, you can have all the confidence, personality, looks and everything "down pat" yet if you constantly work in a club where there is a lack of patrons and/or dancers out number the patrons and/or just no money potential (or any decent money potential) for whatever reason plus a million other things associated with the club itself .... I find it useless to have that confidence, the looks, the skills.
One of my best ever nights in my lap dancing days was in a club that seriously had like 5 guys in there, 15 girls working, I was in a piss poor fucking mood, didnt do my makeup very well and was wearing a tube dress with my hair in a clip.
I made serious bank that night...
Actually that happened to me a few times...
Should I mention the club was a hole in the wall bar that never really brought many guys in to begin with?
I made serious bank there when I was a lap dancer *shrug*
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KentuckyMysteryMan
Looks is the most important thing. I'm not actually talking about the face though. I'm talking about the ass. The guy needs to see a nice ass, because that is really all he is gonna be looking at when you and facing the other way grinding on him.
Buddy I have no ass... im assless... but I got hella nice tits, a nice face and killer personality...
Maybe you look at the ass but thats not my selling point and I was one of the higher earners in many clubs when I used to be a lap dancer.
BTW please read...
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Well, I put the club 3rd because that's how it works *for me*. I might qualify that by saying I refuse to work in really slow clubs, so that might skew my rankings a bit. But still, I can go into even a crappy club and make some money because I've got the confidence and looks, most of the time. (Attitude and skills help too of course.) I've worked in some shit clubs and made decent money, considering the circumstances.
I also elaborated on Melonie's related point that even the best of the best strippers won't make much in a shitty club with no customers or where none of the customers have any money. But again, who works in clubs like that?? Not I. So the club is important, but not the ultimate for me.
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i HONESTLY think your weight/proportions will make or break you.
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1. Looks. This is what initially gets guys attention the vast majority of the time, and there are other factors (which I will list below that will keep them there).
2. Personality/Attitude. This is the clecncher. you get the guys attention with your looks, and it is your (hopefully) wonderful, fun and great personality that keeps them there. Attitude matters a lot as well. If you go to work with a shitty attitude, you're not going to make very much money.
3. Club, City and State you work in. These all affect your earning potential in varying ways.
4. Season/Time of year. Nuff said.
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Originally Posted by
GoldCoastGirl
Please forgive me for thread-jacking however I am ever so curious as to why people would put THE CLUB (and everything associated with it such as general morale, management, fees, no. of patrons, vibe, etc etc) near the bottom of your lists?
How can anything else trump this one very important thing?
I'm trying to understand.
As I said in my previous post, you can have all the confidence, personality, looks and everything "down pat" yet if you constantly work in a club where there is a lack of patrons and/or dancers out number the patrons and/or just no money potential (or any decent money potential) for whatever reason plus a million other things associated with the club itself .... I find it useless to have that confidence, the looks, the skills.
It only takes one guy to make your night. The club doesn't have to be packed. Although it does help to have variety. I think maybe location of the club is more important than the actual club itself.
1. Personality/Attitude. I look almost the same everyday, but if I don't want to work. I won't. You have to want to be there, people can tell. (or atleast be able to pretend like you want to be.)
2. Sales. The girls at my club that are top earners are by far not the prettiest. BUT my god can they talk. They constantly max out credit cards. And not just one card for a guy. Sometimes his whole wallet. I've worked with them a couple of times and it's not that they're promising these guys anything. Just really good at beating around the bush.
3. Looks. This is how I make alot of my money. But I don't think it's the most important. I know I could make more with a better attitude and improved sales skills. However, looks are important.
4. Club. Now while I think the location of a club is important, I'm not sure the actual club is that important. My club is the only one downtown. So location for us is key. There are nicer looking clubs in town, but none downtown. And our management sucks. Didn't used to, but that's another story. I actually am not a big fan of my club, but I still make money.
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Originally Posted by
GoldCoastGirl
Please forgive me for thread-jacking however I am ever so curious as to why people would put THE CLUB (and everything associated with it such as general morale, management, fees, no. of patrons, vibe, etc etc) near the bottom of your lists?
For me personally it is very little about the club (unless they have crazy little commission or something like that). Number of patrons is irrelevant. Of course if it's completely empty there's nobody to charm, but really... If there's a good vibe and lots of people it carries me to make lots of money, if there's a bad vibe and very few patrons it just makes me shine through even more. So even if everybody else is making no money I usually am unless I'm in a totally rotten mood or the few patrons who walk in are complete nutters (like sitting in the corner reading the dictionary out loud type). We had a very slow night at the local club recently. 6 custies the entire evening... and I made a buck on each one. On a few I even waited for other girls to give them a try first but since they didn't succeed I went in.
Don't mean to sound conceited but at least around here most girls only sit on their butts waiting to get picked or do a minute hustle at the most whilst if it's slow I might spend a good 15 minutes scouting the custy out before even trying to make a sale (and at that point succeeding 90% of the time).
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I agree that it only takes one guy to make or break your night. Or a few guys usually. But I agree with GCG if the club doesn't attract quality customers then even the best dancers out there cannot do much about it.
My club has the bad habit of giving out free passes and letting in douchebags who just come there with fuck all money to drink and for a free perve. This type of crowd can be terribly hard to deal with and by the end of a night with guys like this all the girls will be out back bitching and pissed off.
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^^
That's a very good point. My club does that on Colt's game Sundays. Although there are still the normal guys that come in, but you can always tell who's there for the free show and pizza.::)
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I think what affects my earnings the most is my "type" No matter how hard we all want to think it isn't true, men have a "type" of woman they like. Hell, a few weeks in my club, NONE of the pretty, hard-bodied girls made money. But the "girl next door", the flabby bodied girls did.
I get nights when the crowd is totally in my favor, and then nights when it doesn't matter how good I look, smell, or dress, they are just not attracted to me. I really don't know how my night will be, but it's pretty easy to take note of who in the club is busy, busy, busy and who is just sitting around.
Perserverance is also another thing that can affect my earning potential. If I feel like I'm no ones type, it will encourage me to give up. But there is still, always that 1 man who can make your night. Maybe it's not financially, but complementary.