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Re: High earners - how do they do it?
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Emily
I don't think this is necessarily true. If they just got there, sure, but if they came ready to spend, then they are ready to spend! if you club has a VIP section and these customers are wisked away back there, then your relationship with the floor hosts is critical because otherwise you can't even meet them to build report in the first place.
So true. I've made more money by being friendly with the bouncers, manager, etc... They come get me and send me over whenever the guy asks for a girl who even remotley fits my description(blonde, big tits, pretty fun..lol)then they will talk me up.."Hey guys...this is Cameron..shes one of our BEST girls...I KNOW you'll have fun with her.."blah blah...
I had a FABULOUS reg for a month last year(he's only allowed to go out for a month every year while his wife is out of town...::) ...but whatever!) The bartender was talking to him and he mentioned that he doesnt like young girls. That he usually is disappointed in strip clubs because he has no interest in talking to a 19 year old(he was in his 60's) and there are so few really pretty smart older dancers... Bartender took notice that he was sitting on the VIP side of the bar(where all drinks are more expensive for the priviledge of sitting there) and came and got me. The guy came in 2-3 times a week that month whenever he knew I'd be there. He bought bottles of champagne for me and always immediately took out $1000 and just handed it to me. I never dances for him..he just wanted company.
I tipped the bartender $100 out of the $1000 for tipping me off to the guy... she was so surprised she almost didnt accept it...but it was extremely well deserved IMO>
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Re: High earners - how do they do it?
^^Dam, and I NEVER talk to my bartenders or waitresses on that level. I gotta start building rapport with them.
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Re: High earners - how do they do it?
I work at ricks. I did not say that I make vips on a regular basis, I said usually once or twice a month. our club charges 60/song 75/credit giving 10 to the house. I charge 70 and 100 credit cash out. based on 60 x 30 songs + added xtra 1/2 hr. to do paper work and such, I charge 2000. new orleans is a convention based town that has casinos. we depend largely on the convention schedule. in my other post I said that there are no conventions that are worth anything untill at least november. it is very bad here now. but I still make the same amount doing dances as girls do in vip. it takes me about 5 dances to reliaze the same amount girls do, by club standards in a 1/2 vip and the additional 1/2 hr. they spend with paper work. so yes, I do try and dissuade them, and no I don't do vips on a regular basis. but when I do, my money is accounted for, not the the customer's budget.
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So confused.
You charge 2grand to dissuade custy's from buying VIPs, yet you are a top earner? Off lapdances alone?
you get 1 or 2 vips a month.
Why do you try to disuade customers form buying vips? And how are you a top earner off lapdances alone, and 2 vips a month?
Unless no other girl in the club is selling vips either.
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also...an average joe does not have that kind of money, BUT an average joe DOES have that kind of credit. If I guy tells me that he only has x amount of dollars, I ask him if he has good credit. and then I tell him that every month when he pays his credit card off, he can think of me and how lucky he was to experience time with me. because let me tell you, most wives/girlfriends have arms the size of our thighs.
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^ *blink* That's TOTALLY not the corrolation I would tell a guy. "When you pay it off for the next six years you can remember how I talked to you once."
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I need to go get my waders....it's getting deep in here.....
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Re: High earners - how do they do it?
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Originally Posted by
josephine444
also...an average joe does not have that kind of money, BUT an average joe DOES have that kind of credit. If I guy tells me that he only has x amount of dollars, I ask him if he has good credit. and then I tell him that every month when he pays his credit card off, he can think of me and how lucky he was to experience time with me. because let me tell you, most wives/girlfriends have arms the size of our thighs.
Because paying credit cards off is sooo much fun. </sarcasm>
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Kaylinn
I need to go get my waders....it's getting deep in here.....
}:D }:D lolololol...I know...I'm drowning in ..............ummmmmmm............truth?uh huh
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Re: High earners - how do they do it?
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Kaylinn
So confused.
You charge 2grand to dissuade custy's from buying VIPs, yet you are a top earner? Off lapdances alone?
you get 1 or 2 vips a month.
Why do you try to disuade customers form buying vips? And how are you a top earner off lapdances alone, and 2 vips a month?
Unless no other girl in the club is selling vips either.
I can understand this as in my club it is more financially better for the dancer to sell low time dances over VIP (hour long) dances.
I get $30 out of every $55 10 minute dance.
I get $50 out of every $90 20 minute dance.
I get $70 out of every $120 30 minute dance.
I get $115 out of every $200 hour long VIP dance.
Do the math. If I'm booked for an hour in 20 minute pieces - I receive $150 compared to the $115. The same goes with the 10 minute dances, I only have to do four 10 minute dances (40 minutes in total) to make more than I would doing one VIP dance ....as well as the 30 minute dances, I do two of them (an hour long booking) and I walk away with $140 compared to $115.
If the clubs have the volume, sometimes it is worth it being a quantiy hustler over a quality (VIP) hustler.
Plus, as the poster stated, with the paperwork etc involved it is to her benefit to just "hit n run" with the lap dances than waste her time with VIPS. Yet if and when she does get a VIP she makes it worth her while.
I feel that her post reflects that sometimes selling VIPs is not the way to earn the good high consistent dollars in some clubs.... some clubs it works to be a QUANTITY not quality hustler (go for heaps of smaller dances over finding the whale).
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^ Yeah but that's not how American clubs work.
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Re: High earners - how do they do it?
And not only that, but if you do VIPs (since Josephine is obviously such a good hustler) she could make more by doing VIPs and getting really good tips. So I'm slightly confused by this tactic. ::)
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Re: High earners - how do they do it?
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Originally Posted by
josephine444
also...an average joe does not have that kind of money, BUT an average joe DOES have that kind of credit. If I guy tells me that he only has x amount of dollars, I ask him if he has good credit. and then I tell him that every month when he pays his credit card off, he can think of me and how lucky he was to experience time with me. because let me tell you, most wives/girlfriends have arms the size of our thighs.
Wow, you have balls to say that to a customer! I could never inquire about their credit and correlate it to myself.
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We used to have the best VIP host, she would soo talk me up to customers and always get me in on great VIPs. She quit and got a totally different job and now our managers run the VIP and I am losing so much money b/c they can't do that job at all man.
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As far as the tip thing goes, I ask the waitress or floor host (Whomever is going to be running the credit card) to ask the guy I'm with how much they'd like to tip me. This strategy seems to work for me. But maybe I'd get more if I asked myself, who knows, I should grow some balls and try it
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This is a matter of fundamental mathematics. If you re-visit the simple equations that I have stated along with goldcoast's, I think that we have broken it down to you quite easily. This is not a matter of location, it is matter of universal mathematics. I am in no way bragging about the money I make, that is extremely tacky. It behooves me in no way to bullsh*t anyone about anything. I was under the impression that this is a forum to share our personal experiences that work for us. As far as my "you can think of me everytime you make a credit card payment" comment, in NOLA, we are a town that is funded largely by conventions. Our clubs here are largely populated by traveling CEO'S, upper management, business owners, etc. I am VERY picky about whom I dance for. My "avg. joe" is AT LEAST making 100k/yr. and it's ABSOLUTELY ABSURD for my typical customer to take 6 YEARS? much less 3 months to pay off my dances. And I offered that to you because customers think its a cute comment and usually secures a financial relationship. So scoff if you want, it's a proven practical application. I realize that most of you rely on regulars. It is a different situation depending where you live, but the economics are the same. I don't make offers to customers on negotiable prices, I offer my position and that is where I stand. I don't hustle customers. I tell them what it is and if they don't like it, next!, I walk. and you would be very surprised at how many reevaluate what they'll put on the table. I am not a piece of cattle and I am not up for bid. I stand firm. Period. I agree with the girl from vegas, there is a lot more that goes into this than being pretty, rubbing someone's crotch, or doing fancy pole tricks. This is a business. Marketing, psychology, assessing a customers demographic, economics, customer svc., and a good attitude is WAY more important than what meets the eye or crotch. I have had a very successful career as a dancer. I'm sharing some of my practices that will help u AND ur coworkers.
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Re: High earners - how do they do it?
Josephine: I dont understand though. If you can make $2K on a VIP why do you only attempt to sell them 1-2x per month?
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Especially since if you can get that much for a VIP, you should be able to get a few grand for a tip.
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Well, to help back josephine just a little, I have worked in clubs where it's often BETTER for me NOT to sell VIPs because of the pricing. I would wear a trail in the carpet between the main room and the laproom, hustling my ass off selling dances, and often getting tipped on those dances. In a club like that I won't even mention VIP to guys except on the RAREST occasions when I'd get one who told me point blank money's no object (and he meant it) so I knew I could keep him back there all night. In those clubs I might sell VIP once or twice a month. But working this way I'd make more than the VIP girls. Sometimes I think girls get too focused on VIP when they could do better on the floor ;) VIP is not always the end-all be-all way to make money.
Although, I worked at Rick's in New Orleans for years and dances weren't $60 a song. They were always $20 cash or $25 on credit card until the end of 2004 at least. Must've done some serious price-raising since then if it's $60+ now :O Sheeit. I wanna work there again just for that!!
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At my club in Portland it's not really worth it to sell VIPs sometimes, unless it's to a regular who wants to try it out or something. The VIP couch dances are no different than the dances done in the private dance area, and most people balk at $250 for a half hour. People are usually put off by that, but if you can get somebody back for a dance, they usually get a lot. Also I find that sometimes it's not even worth the expectation that the customers have (that it will be more private therefore they can touch me) to make $200 in one 30-minute period. It's annoying. Not to mention that they rearranged the VIP so there aren't sheer curtains surrounding couches. It's all out in the open. I'm not sure why they rearranged it (probably to make it safer and for there to be a lesser chance of funny business going on) but it does sort of fuck with the whole illusion that there is more privacy.
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We do not have a flashing blue light above our heads
Unless you work at Deja Vu. :O
I will agree that sometimes it's not worth pushing a VIP. I worked at a club where it was $1200 for an hour. The club takes a bit less than half. I didn't sell a lot of VIPs understandably (maybe once a week and usually only a half hour), but the guys who did buy were great company. I can understand wanting quality over quantity because that is how I operate my BDSM business. I do financially dominate my clients. I tell them I want money and they give it. Some of them get off on me being a bad influence on their credit and bank accounts. This doesn't apply to an SC situation most of the time, but I think some of it can carry over. It's about knowing that you are worth that money (or more) and having the balls to ask for it.
I wouldn't consider myself a top earner in every club where I've worked because I tend to gravitate toward extras clubs (more customers, higher dance costs and busier atmosphere) so I can't compete with bjs and fs. But for being as clean as I am with all my tattoos I do pretty well.
Confidence is totally key.
I've never found that working with the staff has helped me to any great degree. I tip well and don't see much of a result from it. Usually they already have their favorites and trying to get in on those relationships is next to impossible. They don't want to cause drama by steering customers your way when they have been working with a long time dancer for X amount of months or years. I get along with them, sure. But the only time a door guy has given me a heads up on customers is when they were trying to date me. ::)
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THANK YOU!!!!! I hope that you have led blind out of the abyss. ater the storm they made the downstairs super vip rooms into a "lap dance" room. floor dances are still twenty, but it is a 0 contact dance. I tell customers that I am not available for those and I accept no less than 70/100 cash out cc, for a lap dance. after the storm pimps were actually flying In street hookers and when harrahs reopened feb. 2005 they cleaned it up considerably. BUT some of them were hired in the clubs and OUR jobs got a lot harder. girls hardly leave site anymore which as u know creates a bad standard for the girls that aren't interested in extra curricular activities AND they are SUPER cheap. its very competitive and or money is way down. but if u worked here in '04 then you remember the money that we made and how absolutely bad ass our customers were. these new girls and young girls just can't even comprehend the money strippers used to make. they can't gage it. 2000 for here then wasn't anything big. it was decent. its not the same as it was by far. but there is a certain bit of that element but it and we can charge more. nola won't be back for years to come. it certainly is a damn shame.
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I donno. I think the " I -won't-do-a-20-dollar-dance" mentality doesn't really help. I know quite a few princesses at SR that won't do less than a 3 for 100 dollars and on a shitty night, they will leave with no money because all anybody is getting is a 20 dollar dance. They all add up, and it's quite easy to do 3 dances in a row for somebody, take the 60 bucks plus tip and move on to the next guy in less time than it takes to sell somebody on a more expensive dance, walk them to the room, wait for your songs to start, etc.
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I started Rick's in 1998 and between travelling and moving around, worked there off and on through November 2004. I remember the downstairs super vip rooms and how glad I was when they finally opened them up ;D I also remember how easy the money USED TO be and how spoiled alot of girls were for a while. I agree it's a shame things have gotten that screwed up down there. I may not ever go back.
As for you girls thinking josephine is full of crap. She wasn't saying she gets $2k for vip but doesn't want it. She said she charges that much to discourage guys from buying vip and go for the lapdances instead. If I got $60 for a lapdance vs $500/hr in VIP, I'd hustle the lapdances all night long and NEVER try to sell vip except for the rare guys who'd spend stupid money to hang out all night. $500 vs $60 sounds good, until you add up how many of those $60s (plus tip) you can sell in an hour and see how much money you're losing by going for the $500 vip. Then consider how much more mileage guys usually expect for a vip, and it's TOTALLY not worth it ;)