^^ Makes sense now. I'd do the same thing. Thanks for explaining.
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^^ Makes sense now. I'd do the same thing. Thanks for explaining.
Ahhh..... I misundersood.
so how does one pitch what josephine says? give me a formula on what to say and i'll see if it works.
^ i think what she's essentially saying is that she charges more for lap dances. instead of 60 she charges 70. instead of 75 on credit she charges 100. so to use what she says, charge 10 bucks more a song. you may run into trouble, if a custy knows that it's normally 20 and you're charging 30. but you can say well my dance is worth it, it's like nordstrom's vs. walmart. for just ten bucks more you get a much better dance. however i personally feel that it's unrealistic to do what she says. not that i doubt her per se, but that i find it hard to believe that so many custys will just pay the 70 per SONG. just like i doubt men paying more than 20-25 a song. personally, i like tocharge the normal price and then ask for a tip after. you may only get $2 more but often youll get $5 more. and that adds up. plus if it's 20, he'll do more songs, whereas if it's 30 he may not.. this is all based solely on my experiences.
^pfft. i'm too honest to charge more than the actual price.
^The "actual price" is whatever you charge. We are independent contractors and can charge whatever price we want. So we can set our own actual price.
However, you're talking about the going rate - it's perfectly honest to charge a higher price than the going rate as long as you say so up front. In EVERY industry, there are some businesses or professionals who charge higher prices than the going rate, and no one calls them dishonest. Same with us. The only time it's dishonest to charge a higher price is if you just sell a dance then try to charge the guy more afterward. More girls need to realize WE are in control and we can charge more, and it is perfectly OK to do so!!
It IS perfectly feasible in touristy clubs to charge whatever you want for dances, and guys will pay it. Hell, even in non-touristy clubs you can do it if you word it right. There are many threads on how girls do this.
^there are signs in the specific areas in the club as to what the dance prices are. i don't want to have a customer point at the sign and ask why i charged him more.
*sigh*
i bought a book on building self-confidence. maybe that's what i need and the money will flow. i've had two nights where i've taken home over a grand, but those are the very rare exception and i didn't need to hustle for them at all.
i worked in a club with signs for the price and still charged more than the stated amount. all i saw was an increase in my average earnings and more money in less time.
that said, some club cultures/environments are more anti-roll your own pricing than others, which has to be taken into account.
if he asks why, i often use the, "well, you can get a regular girl to give you a regular dance, or you can have one of the hottest dancers in the club give you a fantastic dance! i mean, it's like nordstrom's versus walmart... you get what you pay for!"
that never seemed to fail. heh. but you MUST say with confidence. if you falter over words they wont buy your dance.
Signs don't really mean anything - we are still independent contractors and able to charge what we want. You can charge more than the price on the signs. Lots of girls do it and I often do it. Most guys don't even notice the signs, but if they do and say something, just tell them something like Chrissy posted. Or I like to say something like "you want the cheap dance, or you want the GOOD dance?" They always want the good dance ;D
Yes, gotta build the confidence. Say anything with confidence and it will sell ;)
^i'll try the above tip when i get to reading the confidence book. really, maybe that's just all i need.
^ Yeah, confidence has been the biggest factor in increasing my earnings. Even totally over the top exaggerated confidence will improve your money.
I suggest you try some of the tips above NOW. Practice saying it at home, by yourself. Say it out loud and proud. Part of it is just getting yourself used to saying these things. You can fake confidence a little, and then when you see this stuff working, you'll BE more confident doing it more.
I do this stuff at home by myself and it works. Imagine a typical situation selling a guy a dance. Say your schpiel OUT LOUD, including telling him the price (your own higher price). Say it like you mean it. After all, no one is there to object or laugh at you - it's just you and the walls. Then imagine the guy pointing to the $20 sign and asking about it - now you shrug your shoulders and say OUT LOUD, "you want the cheap dance, or the GOOD dance?" Again, say it like you mean it.
Vary your scenarios and repeat several times a day. Do it while getting ready for work or on the ride to work especially. Do it at random times while doing dishes or whatever. Just get yourself used to saying this stuff. And, ALWAYS IMAGINE THE GUY AGREEING WITH YOU AT THE END.
I know it seems corny and weird as hell, but really, this kind of exercise has helped me more than anything else. You don't have to read confidence in a book. You can just practice and fake it til you make it ;D
Bridgette,
At my club there is clearly a notice that says dancers must charge $20 a dance, no more - no less, and while I realize that it was posted because of girls probably charging LESS than $20, I still don't want to get in trouble. What do you think about telling customers that my dancer are "a minimum $20" or something like that? Do you think they'd be cheap and just pay the $20, or do you think it might encourage some tippage?
Although, now that I think about it, how could it possibly be a problem with the club for me to charge more?
yes! One of my best nights ever.
There was literally one customer sitting by himself and he just got out of a 30 min VIP with another girl. He was a 20-something truck driver, so we're not talking a high roller here.
I tried to convince him to do a dance with me, he agreed, and I upsold him to the VIP.... and ended up keeping him back there the entire night using the line, "you really should get a dance with the prettiest girl in the club before you go."
What's he going to say? That I'm not? :)
But you have to have the confidence to pull this off.
As for charging more than the going rate...I jsut see it being bad business to suggest a higher dance price. You might lose a $20 dance sale if you say it's $30....but you'll for sure get at least $20 if you do a $20 dance and ask for a tip. This assumes that the large majority of girls are charging $20.
yes, confidence most definitely.
someone posted in another thread that sometimes that backfired on her, and the custy said she was conceited. so jsut realize, you have to be prepared with a comeback for a jerk like that. "hey, i just tell it like it is. plus, you should spend your money wisely, go with someone who gives an amazing dance versus the so-so dance."
^^^I always come back with " You deserve ONLY the best!"
If your club has a strict dance price policy, and you might really get in trouble for charging more, then you can always say the price is $20 plus tip. There are many ways to word the tip part - been discussed here many times. I would do a search for how to ask for a tip and you'll find lots of posts ;)
The $20 minimum thing works well for me. Most guys get the hint, and give you atleast a few extra. On Saturday, I even had a guy that ended up giving me $50 a song.
i think being able to charge more depends on the club dynamics. i think smne said already that if the crowd is mostly tourists, then its green light-go, otherwise they know regular prices. in atlantic city i learned this trick.....guy pays for dance up front (pays club) then you get in the back and say "slide me a $20 before we get started" (same way in CR but $100) if you say it with conviction most guys would just give it to you, but when they asked why i just said "its better this way (while noding, naturally) i can't take credit for this, i didn't come up with it, a quarter of the girls do it.
My club has $30 HF and no tip-out.
Our dance prices are $20 per song or $50 for 3 songs.
I always offer both unless it's extremely busy and I am in demand with several customers waiting then they only get the $50 option.
I have pretty much doubled my earnings from when I was a newbie (of course by gaining experience) from selling multiple dances. I ask almost every guy that I dance for if he would like to keep going (the guys have to pay before the dance starts here). The only ones I dont ask are guys who make me uncomfortable during the dance.
Not everyone says yes, it's usually 50/50 but that is a big increase in money over the course of the night.
^^ Our dances are $20...but I'm wondering if that wouldn't be a good way to up sell to the custy who usually buys only a dance or two anyways? I mean if they're just going to by 1 or 2...why not say you'll do 3 for $50, yes I'd be losing $10 bucks in a sense, but for the cheapo custy, maybe he'd think that was a deal and spend the "extra money"?.....
I have to say that I think this is a bad idea. Not only will you piss off other dancers by undercutting them, you've essentially devalued the $20 lap dance, which is the entire basis of our earnings. If you do 3/$50 and you ask for a tip, you'll probably get $60 or less, whereas if you sold him 3 dances and got a tip out of him, you'd probably get $70 or $80. Obviously it's a different scenario in jaizaine's club where it's standard practice to charge 3/$50.
Also, going back to the title of the thread, one becomes a high earner by doing the same work as everyone else, just getting more for it. Somehow this thread has evolved into how to sell more $20 dances, and that is not how the high earners are making their money.
^^^I really don't think so...and I'm not talking about the reg custy...I'm talking about the guy who seems to never want to give the cash up! Why take $20 for the one dance he usually buys, when if you offer him 3 for $50 and he buys, thinking you've just cut him a deal?
In all my years of dancing here in Dallas, I don't know that asking for "tips" after doing lap dances in common practice down here....Not that it's not a good idea (i'll def. be asking for tips from now on :) ) but from what I've seen girls down here it's just not common practice.
Also, I can't see where it would piss other girls off cause for one, I'm really not in other dancers' money making business...no one ever complains about asking or getting paid more than the "$20" for a lap dance. For example, if you do 3 laps dances and the guy is suppose to pay you $60, but offers $100, I don't think a dancer is going to turn that $100 away.
And let's talk about the "extra girls" and what they charge for the services they do! You got girls getting x amount of dollars for hj, bj, sex, ect. and I have to compete with that....I don't think anyones going to complain if I were to charge 3 for $50!....
just my opinion
i only worked in dallas a few weeks in 2004 when i had not been dancing long at all, and customers tipped on dances, without me even mentioning in most instances. it was a surprise compared to houston.
they were also advocates of one-way contact.
it is too bad if that sort of pleasantry fell by the wayside so readily.
ah, memories.