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Re: Selling more than a few dances?
One thing I do that works IF I can basically hypnotize the custy during LDs :P ...is when going from the first to second song, I use one of the "one more?" lines (while still dancing and kind of purring it to him while looking him in the eye)...and then after teh second dance I'll usually use some variation of the "should we keep going here, or are you ready to go somewhere more private?" line. Usually I'll get one more LD out of them, sometimes they'll agree to move to the CR, and sometimes there's just no selling more. But usually when there's just no selling more, it's b/c I was lazy and didn't use the right techniques to prime them to spend more. Trying to hypnotize custies is a great game---and like icey said, the best thing is to move reeeeeallly slowly...way past the point where it feels really exaggerated and silly to me, like a video on slow-replay. ;D
(In clubs where LDs are one-way contact but CR is two-way, "...or are you ready for some mutual play?" or "...or are you ready to run your hands all over my body?" works like a charm. :) ) Of course, they'll be informed after we get to the CR that they can run their hands all over me EXCEPT for boobs and pussy, but by that time IF I've done my job right, they're under my spell and will go along with whatever I tell them, lol.
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I wonder about the differences between girls who do a lot of griding and ass shaking in their dances versus those who go very slow. I don't think all guys want the same type of dance. One customer asked me if I danced "aggressively" and I told him I could do that, but most are not vocal about it. Is it just about reading the guy and seeing what he responds to? Idk I try to mix it up.
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^^^
i wonder about this also. I personally like dancing slowly and seductively, but sometimes this is hard to do if my custy and I are sitting in an area where girls around us are dancing aggressively. I either attempt to block his view with a chair, lol. or find reasons to move somewhere else or adapt and replicate the moves.
I noticed that I don't much money or no money from custies who ask if I dance aggressively, are my dances any good, or something along those lines
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Chrissy68
as for how to continue beyond like 3 dances, when he agrees to the 3rd one (i say, "im alreayd naked on your lap, you're not done are you?" and then, "good i didnt want to get dressed yet." and after the second, "that was hot let's keep going.") you say ok, just stop me when you've had enough, because i dont want to stop each song to ask you. and THIS is how i do 5+ songs for someone. because they dont want to stop and when you stop and ask after each and every song they will have the opportunity to stop. if you arent stopping to ask.. it's all gravy!
after 5 i say that was five, but im not done yet. after ten i tell him it was ten. etc.. etc..
Yep. This is my trick after I do the first 2-3 dances with a custy. Works like a charm.
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Chrissy68
after 5 i say that was five, but im not done yet. after ten i tell him it was ten. etc.. etc..
Hopefully Chrissy responds: Ok, have you ever had a situation when the guy didn't want to pay for his "block" of dances...I think that's what I'm most afraid of..:-\
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You know, I used to always ask if the guy wanted another dance at the end of the song and then a few months ago, I changed my technique to somewhat like Chrissy68 does. I tell the customer that it's $25 per song and I can go as long as they can or something like that. When we get to 4 songs ($100), I'll remind them how many songs and keep going. The guys will always stop me when they are done with the dances and I have never had a customer complain. I make more money this way.
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cinammonkisses
Hopefully Chrissy responds: Ok, have you ever had a situation when the guy didn't want to pay for his "block" of dances...I think that's what I'm most afraid of..:-\
We'll see what Chrissy says... but I won't do like 15-30 dances in a row and just not tell the guy. That's when you get jipped. I've seen this happen FAR too many times. At the end of the night, a dancer will be bitching about how some dude jipped her $300. UH-HUH. She knows EXACTLY what she did. I ALWAYS, ALWAYS pause after about 4-5 dances and remind the guy what dance I'm on, and if it's still okay if we keep going. Better to be safe than sorry.
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bellasera
I wonder about the differences between girls who do a lot of griding and ass shaking in their dances versus those who go very slow. I don't think all guys want the same type of dance. One customer asked me if I danced "aggressively" and I told him I could do that, but most are not vocal about it. Is it just about reading the guy and seeing what he responds to? Idk I try to mix it up.
from my experience, guys who want agressive dances are cheapasses who only buy one or 2 dances and dont tip. i think maybe once in a blue moon an aggressive guy will reward a girl for grinding the life out of him, but for the most part they just want as much as possible for as little as possible in my experience
also, as for the whole "u tell me when to stop thing" i think its okay to use on older guys who frequent strip clubs. dont use it on young guys or first timers who might not know that each dance is measured per song. if they seem like a decent person though i would use it, dont use it on a guy who is super grabby and demanding because most likely he will try to get out paying as little as possible and that might even mean denying that he did more than one dance.
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guys at my club are bad and will shamelessly rip you off even if you have notified them about the number of dances. don't stack with young guys, newbies, or people who pretend they don't know what's going on.. some of them try to play dumb. I ask the guys to pay me after 5 dances, the good ones have no problem doing this. the ones that do are likely to try to rip you off. the risks are always there.
Try to create some kind of bond with them and allow them to see you as a person sometimes lower the risk as i have noticed--this applies to customers you spend extensive time with. knowing something personal about them for some reason makes them less likely to rip me off as opposed to them being completely anonymous.
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msonyxorb
from my experience, guys who want agressive dances are cheapasses who only buy one or 2 dances and dont tip.
That's what Ive experienced thus far..I've NEVER encountered a high spending customer who wants aggressive lapdances..
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^ For me, actually, the ones that want aggressive dances are the ones that stack them. It's tiring as hell, tho, compared to the slower, sensual dances. Oh well.
Iseestars, that's a really good idea. I'm going to try that tonite...it's sorta like an in-between version of asking if he wants another/just going without saying anything.
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One easy tip is at the beginning, before you start dancing, just ask the guy "how many do you want to start off with? 2? 3?" it gets the ball rolling and gives the guy the impression that he'll be buying a lot. It also gives you the opportunity to start off slow, then just do something really sexy, or new just before the end of the last song he pre-paid for, so he'll get one more.
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Sorry just saw this, was away from HH for a long while heh.
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cinammonkisses
Hopefully Chrissy responds: Ok, have you ever had a situation when the guy didn't want to pay for his "block" of dances...I think that's what I'm most afraid of..:-\
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Mily
We'll see what Chrissy says... but I won't do like 15-30 dances in a row and just not tell the guy. That's when you get jipped. I've seen this happen FAR too many times. At the end of the night, a dancer will be bitching about how some dude jipped her $300. UH-HUH. She knows EXACTLY what she did. I ALWAYS, ALWAYS pause after about 4-5 dances and remind the guy what dance I'm on, and if it's still okay if we keep going. Better to be safe than sorry.
(how often is that girl just an idiot who didn't tell the guy what he owed and chose the completely penniless looking guy to spend all her time with though!)
OK. I did this technique for a few years, and eventually I stopped paying attention to my own advice to remind the guy what he's at. About 1.5 years ago, there was a guy in from NYC for the Mets game. He started with 1, then 2, then said go to 5. I told him at 6 (when he agreed) that he should just stop me when he was done. At 17, we stopped. I told him 17, and he flipped out. FLIPPED. So I grabbed a bouncer, and I only got paid for 15 of them. still, though, that was $300 instead of $340, and they were floor dances so I didn't owe the club shit.
The important thing is to know if your bouncers will back you up. If you say, "Hey, BIGBOUNCERDUDE, this guy and I did 6 dances, and he's claiming we only did 4. That's not true, and I haven't ever had a problem like this before. Help please!" Will your boucners help? If not, stop every 5 and colelct. If they ask why, tell them you were ripped off 3 nights ago, and you always learn from your mistakes.
"Don't worry *NAME* it's not you, I totally know you're good for it, but the club makes us get paid beforehand and after getting burnt and not being paid 3 days ago, I just want to make it look better for the camera, so they know I'm honest. Can you believe the bouncers didn't back me up the other night? Awesome (after he's paid)! I was not even close to done rubbing myself all over you. Mmmm."
Hopefully that helps!
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Regarding con artists:
The clubs around here, the bouncers do not care if we get paid or screwed over. It's up to us. I have a system that if they 'dispute the bill' as it were, I snatch their shoe, boot, watch, cell phone, whatever...To use as collateral. Something he won't leave without. Then, miracle! They ALWAYS pay me. They know full well how many songs it was.
I only did the shoe thing three times in three years though. But I like the trick just in case.
I'm pretty much a stickler for making really REALLY sure the guy knows how many songs we're at. The songs do kind of blur into each other in our CR, and the music can be too quiet sometimes, so I almost always make a small note when it's over. I really don't have much difficulty in selling multiples in doing this. If they're 'on a roll' as it were, I just get into a cute position, and sweetly murmur 'this is a new one, and that's okay?'. It's simple and it works well.
I really think it's the demeanour and delivery. If the guy says 'go to 5', then I shut up and will...and then I'll start asking for more. They very often want more than five when you get there...If the guy says 'go until I say stop', I STILL remind him at hundred dollar intervals, just in case.
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msonyxorb
from my experience, guys who want agressive dances are cheapasses who only buy one or 2 dances and dont tip. i think maybe once in a blue moon an aggressive guy will reward a girl for grinding the life out of him, but for the most part they just want as much as possible for as little as possible in my experience
There was an extremely beautiful woman who worked at my old club and was a top earner. She gave the slowest dances, I have even seen. Sometimes it was molasses dripping down a wall... in slow motion I never did try this b/c I always thought guys would say wtf are you gonna move or what. I think she was so pretty guys were just happy to be able to touch her :P
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I lean in to a guy and whisper in his ear, "tell me when you want me to stop" on the first dance. I give them a 'that was two, etc.' every few dances. While I dance, I will ask him questions to get 'yes' answers... I find it helps for when I need to ask them, "keep going?" They are already trained... yessss!
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I know this is an old thread but I found it in the "best of" and didn't want to make a new one. I rarely get further dances but I ALWAYS ask for them. the thing is we are a nude club and we have to stay about 2 ft away from the custie when naked (at the end of a dance). So i can't end the song nuzzled up close or with grinding. Additionally all ances have to be paid up front.
Can anyone suggest a way to sell repeats in this circumstance?
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Is there a way you can show the kitty toward the second half of the song, pull the thong to the side, or down, and then at the end of the song have it on properly and snuggle back up to them? I only wonder because I really do notice a great success rate when I'm very close to the custy when I ask.
With you so far away, it really does probably feel like the dance is "done".
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pinkpvc
Additionally all ances have to be paid up front.
So if a guy buys one dance from you...then decides he wants to buy another after you are done... he has to immediately pay you for the next dance?
Hmmm...that could be tough. I find making them have to reach for their wallet to be some what of "mood killer/reality check" thus making selling multiples difficult.
Do you think you could you get away with just leaning in quickly to whisper something really sexy in his ear right at the end? I really like the Whisper Hustle thread we have going. I think that can be pretty effective.
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bellasera
There was an extremely beautiful woman who worked at my old club and was a top earner. She gave the slowest dances, I have even seen. Sometimes it was molasses dripping down a wall... in slow motion I never did try this b/c I always thought guys would say wtf are you gonna move or what.
This is how I give LDs too. Like a video on slow-motion. Once I slowed down to molasses level, my money literally tripled. So now I dance like that all the time. :)
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I think I started getting more dances (I got 19 in a row once), when I didn't grind as much, made more eye contact and was more sensuous--lightly touching their arms, getting close to them in a really loving way. It depends on the guy, but I like touching behind their ear with my finger-tips or putting my nose on theirs like I might want to kiss them. If they ask me if I do private dances, I'll say that I can go to VIP, but I wouldnt feel safe. "I come to work to leave work here, imagine if you were my boyfriend or maybe someday you were and I said to everyone that liked me 'sure I'll do dances with you in private'". And I always say it smiling. Like it's all a positive thing.
I also bring up "If you don't have enough money to get dances with me here, you could never afford me outside of here, even if I DID do that".
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I use Chrissy's system. I always tell them before the first dance that they are $20 per song, they can stop me at any time. My first dance is really simple. I don't take my backup bottoms off (I'll have on booty shorts with a thong under). Make eye contact, see how they react to things, smiling at them helps establish a connection. When the first song is over I'll ask if they had fun, and then say that the dances only get better. That always gets me a second dance, and usually a third. You have to read the guy after that. When they start to look less interested, I'll take my shorts off and just have a thong on. It's not a big difference but it's new and exciting. I work in different positions and get a little dirtier after $100. I don't let anyone touch me unless they've gotten a few dances first. Make it a privilege.
Oh, and if guys start off trying to be too touchy/nasty with me, I tell them, "Baby relax and enjoy me. Let me be the pervert, I'm good at it ;)"
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I love this thread it has amazing tips and I cant wait to use some of them myself
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I usually suffocate them and they love it. ::)