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How important is it to share Hustle Tips WITHIN your club?
So, for the most part we've been dealing with a dry spell at the club. Dancers are picking up more days to try and compensate, all the while the boss keeps hiring new girls, when there seems to NOT be a lot of money to be had.
Anyways, enough of that, you get the idea.
I also know some struggling moms who simply dont know HOW to hustle... or stunning girls who let guys walk all over them.
I was thinking of anonymously posting a list of the top excuses customers give you and fun/workable come backs to say. I have occasionally shared some of the advice I've gotten here with others at my club.
However some girls refuse to hustle... either thats not their style or they wont commit to anything with it. For me its all about taking baby steps.
But I figure, if everyone got their hustle on, it might improve things in the club. If girls put up with less crap and enticed customers more perhaps we all could get more of what we want and set the standard higher for our club (aka Getting quality not quantity customers).
Now its just a theory, but I figure girls would not do extras if they KNEW how to hustle better.
So just a question here... Its obviously important to share tips on this site... but would you share as much as you know with people in your club? Or is it everyone for themselves?
The latter mentality seems to suggest there is not an abundance of money... in general... and if were already thinking along those lines we get desperate. Im almost thinking if suggestions and tips were handed out regularly theres less desperation in the air and everyone starts operating by a better standard that eventually pays off for attracting more wealthy clientele.
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it's like a good recipe.... i might share an ingredient or two but not the entire thing.
i'll teach a simpl pole trick to a girl who looks like a Fraggle on the pole, but no way i'm givin' away the secrets... }:D
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In all honesty, you do NOT want to be sharing your hustle tips with all your friends, if you all work in the same place. Girls in vegas never tell, not even if their your friend. I respect that. We all have to learn what works for us as an individual. Sometimes, what works for one girl, might not work for you. I say give them the basics, smile, eye contact during the dance, rubbing the chest, not wasting alot of time and always mention the private rooms. That's all they need to know. They will figure out the rest on their own. Unless you are really trying to help a really close friend then maybe, have her do doubles with you, so she can get the feel of how you sell and close.
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I see what the OP means, and I'm honestly on the fence about the whole thing myself. In my club at the moment, we have no house fees (we pay a huge cut of dances, but no house fees). What this has led to is an influx of a huge number of girls who make most of their money from their stage performances. Between stage sets, however, they sit around and monopolize the customers for little more than a drink or two an hour. In a way, it's not THAT bad, because I've been doing pretty well anyway, and I have a decent knack for finding the customers who have come not to bullshit with drunk chicks, but to actually get dances. However, I know I'd be able to hustle more effectively if there weren't these dumb girls sitting around forever wasting time and space. If everyone just agreed to approximately follow the three-song rule (i.e. chatting for three songs max, asking for a dance, and moving on if the guy doesn't want one), I'd be able to reach more customers and use my [far more sophisticated] hustling skills on them. But this also comes with the risk of said girls selling more dances in such a manner, which could mean fewer dances for me.
Blah, summertime. I will be so thankful when it's over and these girls go back to wherever they came from. Because, seriously, there are like 50 of them, they all showed up at once, and they all act the same way, and it confuses me.
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heh.
I dunno. I'll give a few pointers, but most of what I got is MINE!
I'm stingy like that ;)
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^^^Funny, because you helped the fuck out of me. Seriously, everything you've ever told me was worth its weight in green. Not at the Cheetah, that wasn't my club. But taking my patented Lola Rose tips to other clubs has done me so well. And if that was only sharing a few tips... well... I guess I can understand how you break 1K on a regular basis.
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i agree with most of the girls who've posted in this thread. i give some tips here and there to girls i get along with, but i don't give them the in depth details.
thing is, i want the girls i like to stay, that means i want them to make money so that they don't leave. this is esp. true for new girls to dancing who i like. we get our fair share of new idiots, addicts, and hookers, just like any other club. so, when we get a new girl who's actually smart, down to earth, etc. but may not know how to hustle.. i try to help her out.
those of us who've been at the club for awhile try to keep girls around who understand our "common goal". it's actually kind of nice, almost like a little union. :P
all that being said, i still have little tricks that i don't share with -anyone-. part of the reason is because i don't want girls to "copy" me to a T ... otherwise i won't stand out. another part of it is, well, we all have to "earn" our hustle skills, and that means developing some of our own.
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teeth_of_the_hydra
^^^Funny, because you helped the fuck out of me. Seriously, everything you've ever told me was worth its weight in green. Not at the Cheetah, that wasn't my club. But taking my patented Lola Rose tips to other clubs has done me so well. And if that was only sharing a few tips... well... I guess I can understand how you break 1K on a regular basis.
aww, thank you :)
I'm glad my tips helped you! I did give you some better one's thought, then I'd give to the average stripper. b/c I like you, and b/c you probably know the ones I'd tell to the average girl!!!
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Lola- EVERYTHING I learned about hustling, I learned from you. Seriously, if it weren't for you I'd still be sitting with guys for half an hour listening to them drone on and on about their boring jobs and lives while they order me 2 dollar bottles of water in the place of an alcoholic beverage for my underage ass. Your tips are really helpful.....especially in the new club I'm at because they're so effective and to the point- which is what I need because I can only hustle from the stage :)
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aww, thank you!
(I feel like I have protegies! or however you spell it... ::))
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Gypsy74
Lola- EVERYTHING I learned about hustling, I learned from you. Seriously, if it weren't for you I'd still be sitting with guys for half an hour listening to them drone on and on about their boring jobs and lives while they order me 2 dollar bottles of water in the place of an alcoholic beverage for my underage ass. Your tips are really helpful.....especially in the new club I'm at because they're so effective and to the point- which is what I need because I can only hustle from the stage :)
I didn't have a Lola when I was a newbie and I did just that :-[ I eventually learned, but I learned the hard way, and I was a few years older than you are now. You are well on your way to being a superstripper.
Oh, and Lola, do you mean "proteges?" (<--- one of the "e"s has an accent but I don't know which one, or how to put it there.) You could say "disciples" if you wanted ;)
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disciples! yay!
I am a goober. k? k.
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I'll only give tips that help everyone out---like, don't sit sit the customers too long unless you know you're working up to a big payment or something like that.
But I won't tell them to stay out of the dressing room, or give advice on outfits, or how to work conversations, or any of the zillions little tips that I use to help me make money.
It may sounds cold, but I'll only help someone out in the SC if there is a possibilty that it will help me (unless they're a friend, in which case I'm generous as hell).
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Yeah, here is a great place to share secrets. We're all over the country so we're not competing with each other anywho. I have to say, not to be a total cunt, but I really could give a fuck about how much money other people make at work. And I certainly am not sharing my secrets I've learned over my (oh god) seven years of dancing so that somebody can run MY hustle on the custies!! Oh, hell no!! LOL
Now, if somebody is a friend I will try to get them dances and help them or what not but.... nope, not spilling the beans!
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I do some work in the "art related" field. Its very competitive and its really easy for people to steal your ideas or concepts... or mimic your art cause its such a visual thing.
However, when this happens Im not to worried about it. Because often folks who steal ideas or concepts are those who can't manifest the creative energies on their own.
I know plenty of girls who are given "tips" but they can NOT act on them. Mostly because they lack the confidence to carry them out or the conversational skills to be creative from one person to the next.
I also feel like, seeing as there are tons of guys in a club, I cant get all of them if not for the mere fact that Im not everyone's cup of tea. You know, some guys have a preference when it comes to body type, personality, etc. etc.
So I dont feel too threatened when a girl is hustling whatever guy and I dont get him... because I know I will get customers as well.
Im also pretty certain that whatever I got, its unique to me. So lets say, some girl sits down with a regular of mine. Granted I cant watch him like a hawk all the time cause he may be there on days that I'm not etc.
She may be a nice pretty girl and all of that... but I know my regulars come to me for a very specific reason. So I say, let her "try".
The reality is, nothing is guaranteed and change is inevitable. If my regular does move on its not like Im not making new regulars or new customers.
I guess my idea is.... theres plenty of people to go around. Theres plenty of money to be had.
Then of course if its a slow night then most people arnt making jack anyhow.
Perhaps I should be a little more possesive, but Im not. I know all it takes is ONE customer to make my night... and he may have already given some attention to other dancers prior me... but if he unloads a ton of cash on me I know its because my personality, certain look, or (his reasons for liking me) is banking at that moment in time.
I think what I have discovered by sharing tips with other girls in my club... is that they are way too insecure, scared, or overwhelmed to actually USE them.
When I was told some outrageously cool tips in the club I did share liberally. Since then, not one girl has tried as hard as me or gotten guys in the back room (this was day shift). I was almost dissapointed because who doesnt want money?
When I see other people hustling it makes me want to hustle just as much. In fact I have a hustling mascot... and when I see her taking guys to the back it always inspires me to get off my ass and work it.
I guess the fear is, is that we'll run out of paying customers in a given night if everyone hustles at the same high level. I just dont think its so... broke guys will go home and new guys come in.
I guess what could be a problem is that we could all eventually be useing the same lines. A customer might say,"Yeah, thats exactly what hte last girl said."
But if thats his attitude he's probably not in a spending set of mind anyhow. These bitter dudes that are not in the club for fun times are clearly not the right guys.
While a big spender probably wont care if he's heard the same line over and over... he just wants YOU on him. I mean, Im pretty sure they have heard it all anyways.
Example: Car salesmen essentially all say the same thing and all know the same amount of tricks as the next guy. So what REALLY makes a sale from one salesman to the next if they all know the same tricks?
I'm thinking its charisma, charm, character. Regardless of skill, if you cant connect with your buyer/customer in a intuitve way it may not matter what secrets you know.
Then there is the willingness of the buyer. I think all guys in the club are potential "buyers" but putting hustling tips aside... most girls are lacking confidence and social maturity. Then again, some customers are not worth dancing for either... even if they have money. The personalities clash too much.
Thats why I think theres enough to go around. I could be wrong.
(Disclaimer: Thats just my two cents. By no means am I arguing that anyone ought to take to heart what I say. Nor am I demeaning or judging anyone's type of hustle or the silence of their best kept secrets.)
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Elusive21
I would never share my hustling tips with my coworkers (even if they happen to be my friends). Call me selfish or a bitch, but if my coworkers suddently improve their hustle, how is that going to ultimately help me? I'm not in this bussiness to be nice to anyone or be anyone's mentor.
Exactly. :yes: In fact, I try to make a point of working at clubs where there aren't many truly good hustlers. I like the whole "big fish in small pond" setup. I definitely notice a spike in my frustration level when all the good hustlers at my club show up on the same shift...why on earth would I help create *more* good hustlers who will take money that could have (and should have) been mine? Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.
Plus, I've had way too many incidents lately with girls who I thought were cool talking shit about me and pulling all kinds of cut throat bullshit behind my back. The "friends" that I would be giving hustling tips to...very well might be the same ones stabbing me in the back on the floor and talking shit about me to customers. And I'm not a fan of being played for a fool. :no:
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it's not too hard to google 'stripper message board' so i'll let them figure it out themselves, just like i did!
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I don't share tips either. I did once when I saw that one young little girl was severely struggling and not making ANY money. Night after night she was going home early all sad. I felt really bad for her. I finally only told her that she needed to approach EVERYBODY in the club, and to not take anybody who was sitting out there for granted. That was it! Other than that...I will not share! I had one girl at my old club that watched me like a hawk for months, and then all of a sudden she was hustling almost completely identical as how I hustled! I knew she was stealing my strategies, and I was so pissed! >:( So I definitely keep my shit to myself within the club.
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The only tips I share with girls is: Don't sit with customers for to long. They tend to get spoiled, and expect that sort of treatment from the rest of the girls. Even if they don't follow my advice in the very beginning, hopefully I can put a bug in their ear, and they consider it next time.
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I share if they ask. I'm not stingy with my info but I am not going to babysit anyone either.
I work in a club with hard core hustlers and wouldn't have it any way else. It helps my earnings, unusually enough.
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JusticeSpeaks
Now its just a theory, but I figure girls would not do extras if they KNEW how to hustle better.
^^ IMHO, girls that do "extras" are gonna do them regardless of how much money they do/could make doing "allowed" club work. They have CHOSEN to make extras their "hustle style" :-\
In regards to what I'm willing to share, it depends on the situation. I am one of my clubs (very high hustle nyc club) higher earners. I consistently see girls making literally a tenth of what I make. I feel comfortable sharing general tips (a lot of these are simply common sense), but wouldn't (for example) share what I did/said to keep a specific guy in VIP for two hours.
There's a custy who usually comes in once a week or so. The host brought me over to him, and I did a two hour vip with him (my first time dancing for him). He was kinda a perv, and really got off on the whole "submissive" thing. Calling him daddy, asking him "permission" to have a sip of my drink and so on. I was chatting about his particular level of grossness with some of the other girls later on in the night. Well the next week he comes in, I go up to him to say hi, and there's a dancer sitting with him (fine, whatever), but then I hear her calling him daddy and saying/doing all of the things my BIG MOUTH had been laughing to her about the week before >:( .
I keep my mouth SHUT about what keeps me in the rooms now. :-X
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I know sometimes you want to be nice when you see a girl struggling, but aside from giving some moral support and general advice, I wouldn't give any advice as far as what your personal hustle is. In my opinion, aside from common sense, keep everything else to your self.
I think it's okay to tell a dancer, "Hey, don't sit with a customer for more than 3 songs, stay positive, and always keep your goal in the forefront of your mind". As far as I'm concerned, a dancer chitchatting with a custy for an extended period of time AND drinking with the custy is about the worst thing she can do for HERSELF.
So I think telling her not to do that is about the best advice you could give her if you want to speak up and tell her.
I've seen a particular dancer in my club that always talks with a gentlemen that makes it known to ALL the dancers that he does NOT do lapdances and he REALLY doesn't do them. Every time he is in the club I do say Hi to him, so that I can appear friendly to others, but I don't dare sit with him because I already know he won't spend money. Then I see this girl sit with him for hours. He is buying drinks but she is completely wasting her time. To her credit, the club is slow when I see her do that, however, it's inappropriate because it ruins the vibe when enough girls are doing the same thing at the time.
One of the managers at my club will come up to girls that are not looking busy and tell them in a very supportive manner. Hey, work the room, be friendly, and don't dwell on custys too long. He said it to me when I first started there, and you know, I REALLY appreciated it. I already knew that in theory, but it motivated me to be extra charming to the next guy I spoke to and kept me focused.
I think most girls know what they are doing wrong, heck, I even catch myself slacking. What is comes down to is asserting your confidence. Make small talk and then close the sale. If you don't succeed, MOVE ON. Go say hi to the security or DJ if you need to distract yourself from the rejection.
I'm relatively new to this profession and this is the longest reply I have posted. This is just my opinion, please no one take offense.
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I share hustle tips with the girls I like at my club and overall try to make sure that NO ONE is letting the men be cheap. The fewer girls willing to sit with men for free, the more we all make b/c it trains the customers to know that the clock starts runnign when we sit down