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Please stop sitting with customers for FREE.
This is directed to those dancers who are willing to sit with customers for extended stretches of time without getting paid.
The strip club is not a regular club. We dancers are not at the strip club to get free drinks, socialize, and flirt for the fun of it. We are there to earn a money so that we can pay our bills, feed our children, and make decent lives for ourselves. When you give up your time and companionship you are not only completely devaluing yourself, but you are diminishing the value of MY time and companionship, and that of all your co-workers. You are bringing the entire industry down. This is one of the reasons I no longer make money on weekends. Large groups of young men come in knowing that they do not need to pay more than two or three singles for "Dollar dances" and scores of girls will be happy to entertain and humor them all night.
If you need the validation so much that you are willing to give up your time at work for a few Jaeger bombs and empty compliments, you can get those things out at a regular bar without harming anyone.
On the other hand, if you are just having a lazy moment where you don't really care to hustle, and are happy leaving with a substandard amount of money, please sit in the dressing room or leave until you get your mojo back. By spoiling the customers in this way you are hurting my ability to make money tonight and EVERYONE's (including your) ability to make money tomorrow.
Please note that I am not referring to the good hustler's occasional indulgence of sitting with a comfy regular on a bad night. I am talking about those dancers who routinely give away all their time for free and (very often) complain later in the dressing room about how "bad" it is "out there."
Incidentally, and I think this affects many of the same young women, please, PLEASE do not continue to call them "dollar dances". In 2007 this is poor hustling. As an alternative, you can call them "table dances" or "floor dances" or "a little tease." But please do not limit your own income and mine by putting a price tag on intimate contact with your body that is less than a gallon of gas. Do not allow and even encourage them to tip you so cheaply by referring to a single dollar just because the alliteration of the phrase rolls off your tongue. You are worth more than that.
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Amen! Another problem with these "squatters" is that sometimes they sit with a guy I know buys from me, but he's too nice or feels too uncomfortable asking her to go away!
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There ya go!
I did this for a litttttle while and caught on really quickly. Now I dont do it at all if they dont show interest within the first five minutes. I barely do those "dollar dances". I'll go and chat for a bit but I refuse to give a straight "LAP dance" on the floor for a dollar.
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I have felt this way a lot lately. It's not so bad normally because our club has a high ratio of customers to dancers. When it's slow it's so friggin annoying to watch girls sit with customers for an hour without dancing, just doing shots and giggling. Please. Please leave for 15 minutes so I can come by and take his money, then you can go back to working for free. You idiot. At least rotate. Don't let a table of two men who look like they have money sit all night without spending it. If you are just lonely and need a drinking buddy, don't ruin my hustle.
And dollar dances. I would not personally dance for a dollar. Our club makes it mandatory and announces it as dollar dances, a dance for a dollar, stick a one in her garter and she'll pop her top, here's the floorguy with change. Please, by all means, if you have quarters, she'll take those too, or try to bargain, two for a dollar, oh the girls aren't moving enough, we'll do 20 of them in a row.
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yeh i agree it really creates a bad atmosphere in the club too and encourages non spending.
it annoys me when girls do it because then when i walk up afterwards and try to do a faster hustle the customer gets pissed off because they expect everyone to spend a shitload of time with them for free.
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What the crap is a dollar dance?
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depending on the club, it's an actual timed dance of 5-30 seconds done at scheduled times during the night, or a mini-dance that girls can do randomly where the minimum tip is 1$.
i've only ever worked in clubs where it was a structured thing for a few seconds and didn't devalue in itself the price of a normal dance. where girls can randomly do them for tips, it can sometimes be a problem, and perhaps that is the situation at dottie rebel's club.
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The same exact thing was going through my head last night. A group of my regulars came in last night and I almost always get some lapdances and occasionally a room out of them, but these two new girls I guess had met them earlier in the week. The entire night they were snuggling up to their new "boyfriends" and talked to them all night and they spent no money whatsoever. I ended up doing a room with the one guy who told me how creepy they all were, holding hands and shit. (???) WTF
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tronie
What the crap is a dollar dance?
Haha. That's how I feel...what the crap is this shit?!
At my club, we have $20 dances in the VIP room but lots of girls do little mini, teaser dances on the floor for tips. They are commonly referred to as "dollar dances."
I've worked at clubs where the culture prevents this--basically, all the girls got together at some time and decided they weren't going to rub all over guys out on the floor for measly tips. In that club, you were considered weird and trashy if you did it. However, at my current club it is quite common. And they aren't always "mini" dances, either. Girls will get all up on a dude and simply hold out their garter afterward. The guys usually tip one dollar. Girls will even go around getting tips by saying, "Hey would you like a DOLLAR dance?"
So, guys will frequently ask me, "Hey, can I get a dollar dance?" I've taken to saying, "I don't do dollar dances, sweetheart. I offer $20 VIP dances and $5 tableside dances." Lately, 7 out of 10 guys will laugh at me and say, "Fuck that. Dancers X and Y just came over and danced for a dollar. Fuck off."
It makes me want to carve out their spleens with a spoon.
If all the dancers in the club decided that our table dances were worth $5, we'd all be making more money and not running our asses off as much and feeling so cheap and used.
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Guenevere
LOL!!! Do you have any idea how badly I want to print this and post it in the dressing room!!!!
Good idea!!! ;D
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oh hell yeah tell it like it is!
although i have a feeling the girls in question don't come to this site.
good for newbies, though!
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i -completely- agree with you. in fact, i bring this up in threads constantly.
there are dancers who say things like "why do guys come in here thinking they can just hit on the girls for free for hours" and i always say "because there are dancers who oblige them".
there are dancers who say things like "why do guys come in here thinking they can pick up one of the dancers or take them out?" and i say "because there are dancers who oblige them".
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Especially girls who fucking park themselves on a guys arm all night, and then bitch and act like I've cut throat them if that the guy spends money on me when they finally leave. It's not my fault you can't close a sale.
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OK. Where do I begin....
I agree with what all of you are saying but lets look at the other side of the picture. And I'M the other side of the picture.
My hustle is different from most of you. As some of you know, I admit I'm a lazy stripper when I compare to how some of the hustling styles most girls on here have. I'm really just non aggresive. It has worked for me and it hasn't. I continue to use it because it's what makes me most comfortable. I prefer it that way. If it's going to piss dancers off then fine, I don't care. If anything, I'm doing you a service. I will not sit with a guy if he's just hitting on me and wanting to take me home. If he's genuinely interested and wants me to sit and chat with him in return for a few bucks, that's fine with me. The service to you is that you wont waste your time by going up to him since he's just there to have conversation and doesn't mind tipping me to compensate for it.
My point is that you don't really know what the story is between the dancer and the customer unless you are involved in the conversation. The dancer can be getting compensated for her time, probably already knows the guy, or is not trying to make a grand that night. You just never know.
To give you a great example, look at what happened to me tonight. I had 3 friends coming in at 10pm, people I met dancing at another club, one I wouldn't mind seriously dating. They spent little money on me one time so I figured they would again. They came in and I sat with them for 6HOURS, my entire shift. My guy gave me a few hundred for the whole time. Normally, I should have made 3g's for 6hours of my time spent but, I know they didn't have that much money AND I only did a few dances. I was paid to sit on my ass pretty much. In my mind, I don't mind getting paid a few hundred dollars to sit on my butt than having to put up with the chance of not making any money to having to dance for a groppy jerk for several grand. I rather have sat with them, had a great time and got paid a few hundred for the slow sunday night. I'm sure girls where pissed off and wondering why I was sitting and having a great old time all the while I hardly danced. What they didn't know was that these guys weren't trying to spend a ton, were wanting a great time, and I already knew them for a while. So don't you think girls who assume that I'm lowering the standard are jumping too quickly to judge on what they may not really know?
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I'm with kiki on this one.
My hustle also is much slower. I'm not one to jump from table to table, sitting for 30 seconds and then popping the question. I'm after VIP's, not lapdances, and you have to invest more time to ge them to spend more money. If I feel I have a good shot at a VIP with a guy, I'll gladly sit there for 30 minutes for free, if I think I'll get the sale. 30 minutes/3minutes a song, $20 a dance means IDEALLY if you managed to get lapdances all 30 minutes, you'll make $200. But that don't include time finding a guy, chatting for a few seconds, waiting for the next song to start...actually, in 30 minutes, you may only get $100 worth of dances. So I'll sit and chat for free for 30 minutes, and then sell an hour VIP. I made $500 in an hour and a half(including that talk time) where had I been jumping from guy to guy giving lapdances I may have only made $300 for an hour and a half of lapdancing.
I don't sit and talk for free if I feel there's no chance at money, and because this is my hustle, I'm good at judging my chance at a vip. I'm not taking a shot in the dark sitting with random people wasting time.
I also don't sit for hours on end for no reason. I won't spend an hour trying to sell an hour.
And sometimes...you can't see a dancer getting tippe for her time, or you don' knwo the situation. Maybe it's a reg she knows and trusts, and he will pay her at the end of the night?
But..it's like offering extras..girls bitch that extras make it harder for a clean dancer to sell. I like extras girls cause they take care of the shitty customers for me, freeing up clean guys.
Same with lazy ass strippers who will sit and talk all lnight for free. They are jus taking care of the cheap customers for me, so I won't end up wasting my time going over there.
they are just freeing up the good paying guys laps for me!
What can I say...I look at the bright side. Can't change other people, might as well make it work for me instead of spending my time getting mad over thigns I can't change.
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actually i was thinking about this exact topic this morning at my "normal" craptastic retail job. i'm new. haven't even technically started yet but im wondering--there are some of you who get compensated for your time when you sit at keep customers company for a while. like this:
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kikiwiki
If he's genuinely interested and wants me to sit and chat with him in return for a few bucks, that's fine with me. The service to you is that you wont waste your time by going up to him since he's just there to have conversation and doesn't mind tipping me to compensate for it.
how do you make that happen? like, say a customer wants you to sit with him and talk what do you usually say to get the point across that its not going to be for free without seeming like a greedy money grubbing bitch? just wondering
thx
<3!
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Pretty_Penny
there are dancers who say things like "why do guys come in here thinking they can just hit on the girls for free for hours" and i always say "because there are dancers who oblige them".
there are dancers who say things like "why do guys come in here thinking they can pick up one of the dancers or take them out?" and i say "because there are dancers who oblige them".
And I was totally going to add "Why do guys think they can obscenely grope dancers for a measly $20 a song?" "Because there are dancers who will oblige them." Same principle at work. And I'm sick of all three examples.
Thank you for bringing this up so directly, Dottie. It is so frustrating, and I find that it's getting rarer and rarer that guys even look at your time as something that should be compensated in the first place. Is this happening everywhere in the industry? Or is it regional? Or is it just me? Ugh.
Kiki and Kailynn, I know what you are trying to say, and you bring up good points. I, too, am not the fastest hustler. I generally take a song or two to close a sale, not 30 seconds. There definitely is a bit of the MYOB that should be expected. But still, there are plenty of situations where it really seems pretty obvious that NO money is going to the girl(s), they're just drinking and hanging out. This is different than what you guys are talking about.
It often (not always) tends to be younger, newish girls - not that there aren't young dancers who are good, because there are - who, it seems had a poor example set for them when they first started, and think that's just the way that things work. Get drunk with a group of guys, and then maybe if you're lucky, they'll buy dances from you. Like it's not a sales-based skill, just a big luck-based gamble.
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I love this post. I cannot stand watching a dancer sit at some guys table drinking for an hour while not getting any dances.
I'm can also sometimes be a slow hustler and will spend time with a custy, but only when there is potential there. And all dancers should be able to tell if a customer has potential or not within moments. Kiki and Kaylinn, I think are saying they spend longer to get dances, but do get them. Dottie Rebel said
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This is directed to those dancers who are willing to sit with customers for extended stretches of time without getting paid.
Those girls suck.
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kikiwiki
OK. Where do I begin....
I agree with what all of you are saying but lets look at the other side of the picture. And I'M the other side of the picture.
My hustle is different from most of you. As some of you know, I admit I'm a lazy stripper when I compare to how some of the hustling styles most girls on here have. I'm really just non aggresive. It has worked for me and it hasn't. I continue to use it because it's what makes me most comfortable. I prefer it that way. If it's going to piss dancers off then fine, I don't care. If anything, I'm doing you a service. I will not sit with a guy if he's just hitting on me and wanting to take me home. If he's genuinely interested and wants me to sit and chat with him in return for a few bucks, that's fine with me. The service to you is that you wont waste your time by going up to him since he's just there to have conversation and doesn't mind tipping me to compensate for it.
My point is that you don't really know what the story is between the dancer and the customer unless you are involved in the conversation. The dancer can be getting compensated for her time, probably already knows the guy, or is not trying to make a grand that night. You just never know.
To give you a great example, look at what happened to me tonight. I had 3 friends coming in at 10pm, people I met dancing at another club, one I wouldn't mind seriously dating. They spent little money on me one time so I figured they would again. They came in and I sat with them for 6HOURS, my entire shift. My guy gave me a few hundred for the whole time. Normally, I should have made 3g's for 6hours of my time spent but, I know they didn't have that much money AND I only did a few dances. I was paid to sit on my ass pretty much. In my mind, I don't mind getting paid a few hundred dollars to sit on my butt than having to put up with the chance of not making any money to having to dance for a groppy jerk for several grand. I rather have sat with them, had a great time and got paid a few hundred for the slow sunday night. I'm sure girls where pissed off and wondering why I was sitting and having a great old time all the while I hardly danced. What they didn't know was that these guys weren't trying to spend a ton, were wanting a great time, and I already knew them for a while. So don't you think girls who assume that I'm lowering the standard are jumping too quickly to judge on what they may not really know?
I am with you on this. I am not one of those "wanna dance?" girls. I will normally sit at a table and chat the guy up for a few minutes. My club is pretty dead. It is very hard for the ladies to make money in my club, as it is in a bum fuck town. So yes, when a guy offers me money just to sit and chat with him I am game. He does not have money? too bad for him because I am bouncing when I find that out. I normally give it 5 minutes and if he does not want to pay for my time or buy some dances, I leave.
But I do see what the other ladies here are saying. There was this one chic at my club who was just there because she was lonely. She would stay at tables for hours, and then complain that she was not making any money. Be social, smile and most importantly get yourself around the room!
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I know everybody has a different hustle, but my only problem with squatters is that I find if I leave a guy for a second to go onstage or take a break, they perch and never leave for it seems like the whole night when I was suppose to go back there and get some more dances. It's like some of the girls purposely cock block. It's really annoying on a slow night and there are not many guys to go around, but on the weekends not so much. Personally, I think it's a waste of time, but I have been guilty of zoning out in a few conversations myself, so to each is own.
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Just to weigh in here...there is a difference between being a "wanna dance" girl and not squatting with a customer. If a customer doesn't buy me a drink, a dance or a room in three songs it is because he isn't interested. If a guy wants you to sit and chat before making up his mind about taking you to a room he will AT LEAST buy you a drink. But after the drink is finished I GET UP so a girl that he wants can make her money.
Also: There is a new girl at work (new to the club and the industry) who sits with guys too long. I asked her (nicely) about it and she said she didn't know how to get up and leave without being rude. God bless her for trying to be polite, it is in short supply in this industry. I explained to her that it was rude to the other dancers and the customers to sit with someone too long and gave her good exit lines. Now she doesn't sit with guys so long, so maybe some of the squatters just need a little help from the experienced girls.
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Theres def. a differance between the guy who just wants company for free, and the guy who requires a lot of your time to make you rmoney(I have one custie that i sit with for HOURS....sometimes he does a champagne room, sometimes he tips at the end for sitting..depends on his mood). I need to put in the time with him to get him to spend. But between me, any ohter girl he may invite over, the club fees for rooms, and his bar tab(he doesnt just buy drinks..he buys bottles)...by the time he leaves he'll have dropped sometimes $5K or more. So he is worth putting in the face time.
If I sit with a guy and he orders a drink for himself, and not for me...I take that as a sign he is not interested and I leave.
In my club, esp on day shift...you often need to sit for awhile before you can make money. It def. isnt a wanna dance situation. Guys expect more companionship and time. Sometimes it pays off, sometimes it doesnt.
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Guenevere
LOL!!! Do you have any idea how badly I want to print this and post it in the dressing room!!!!
I should print this and also have copies translated into Russian, Portugese, etc..then post it in my club's dressing room. I don't think girls sitting with customers for free would ever end, but it would be nice to see it remarkably decrease within clubs.