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Paris, look a few weeks back in the local newspaper (Oregonian - oregonlive.com). I don't remember the details, but there was a local story about a couple of male strippers at a party of which got out of control. They fled when things got out of control. Their car was chased down and some sort of confrontation ensued.
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^^^ I have to agree that, in general, male strippers have lots more problems with female customers getting rowdy. After all, the presumption is that the guys are in a far better position to take care of themselves. However, it's truly amazing to see what can happen when 3 dozen drunk women with pent-up sexual frustrations decide to gang up on one guy in a strip club. I can only imagine what could happen at a private party where the male stripper decides that he doesn't need security backup for a bunch of 'housewives'.
But back to the female stripper side of the equation ...
I used to do a lot of private parties. I always made sure that TWO security guys were present ... with at least one of them within 10 feet of me at all times. When you have 3 dozen drunk and horny guys grouped up, things have the potential of getting out of control in two seconds flat. The secret to safety is to make sure that somebody is 'right on the spot' to break up any out of control action immediately before it has any chance to build momentum with the crowd. In the final analysis, even with two security guys present, they're outnumbered by more than 10:1 such that if the crowd gets into the action the security guys aren't really going to be able to do much.
I'll also add that from a legal standpoint the idea of a private party getting out of control USED TO involve some potentially serious legal worries for the guys who organized the party and/or the guys who actually went out of control. However, thanks to the dumb bitch 'strippers' involved in the Duke Rape case, involved in the New Jersey sugar daddy 'extortion' case, a myriad of stripper prostitution busts etc., it's no longer a safe assumption that any dancer who is raped while performing at a private party is going to be taken seriously if she attempts to press charges.
These days it's all too easy for the guys to claim that the dancer offered to provide sex for money during the party. To make matters even worse, today the guys can also claim that the reason the dancer is threatening to file rape charges is to 'extort' even more money from them via an out-of-court settlement. Thus today there is actually some element of risk that, if the customers are rich enough, and if quite a few guys who were at the party all stick to the same story, an attempt by the dancer to file rape charges will not only be farted off by the DA but that extortion charges could actually be filed against the dancer herself !!! This is yet one more reason that I quit doing live performances.
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I met one girl who was raped at a show at a hotel (it was one customer, her bouncer was waiting outside the shut door.) She came out crying & the bouncer went in and beat up the guy & they left. This was in San Diego, CA. She did not report it to the police.
I met one dancer who was beaten up and robbed (but not raped) because her bouncer got scared & said "I'm not a boxer" when the crowd got out of hand- he let her get beaten up. This was in south Fresno, CA.
I feel both women were being truthful with me. Luckily these are the only two stories I've heard in almost a decade of dancing.
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madmaxine
I met one dancer who was beaten up and robbed (but not raped) because her bouncer got scared & said "I'm not a boxer" when the crowd got out of hand- he let her get beaten up. This was in south Fresno, CA.
Holy Shit!:O
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Optimist
Holy Shit!:O
Yep, she was shaking and crying when she talked about it & her husband looked upset so I didn't ask for more detail than she provided....I feel she was telling the truth. I have seen bouncers puss out too.
This is where I got my "I'll cut you fool!" mentality towards some custies...I've had my car vandalized while I was doing a private show (set up by the guys who got the show) and I've had plenty of confrontations..You can't let some guys go too far or it'll turn into an ugly scene.
Edit to add- when my agency boss told me one of her dancers had her tires slashed at a party, that was what prompted me to start working in clubs again. Keep in mind I lived in a very ghettotastic area though, so I saw and heard pretty rowdy shit.
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Here is that story about the male strippers:
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Mandatory five year sentence! :) Warms my heart!
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sun child
That's interesting only because a Fox News reporter called me to find out if it was one of our guys that was involved. It wasn't. I don't see it as national news and found the idea of exploiting our performers for better ratings disgusting.
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madmaxine
I met one girl who was raped at a show at a hotel (it was one customer, her bouncer was waiting outside the shut door.) She came out crying & the bouncer went in and beat up the guy & they left. This was in San Diego, CA. She did not report it to the police.
I met one dancer who was beaten up and robbed (but not raped) because her bouncer got scared & said "I'm not a boxer" when the crowd got out of hand- he let her get beaten up. This was in south Fresno, CA.
I feel both women were being truthful with me. Luckily these are the only two stories I've heard in almost a decade of dancing.
That is awful!
Luckily, my agency doesn't book one-on-one shows. I always tell customers to call an escort agency for those kind of shows.
I did have some trouble last winter with a dancer who switched party partners on us. I *thought* I was sending two white dancers to a show in South Texas. The customers specifically requested that the dancers were white only. The dancer I sent took a black girl as her partner (I didn't know she was taking a different girl than her usual partner). I didn't even think to mention to the dancer that the party was racist as I believed that I was sending two blondes to go do the show.
The dancer called me in a near panic as the girls had to make a hasty retreat because the black girl was in trouble in that circumstance. I knew the guys had a problem with a woman of color coming to do the show, that is why I specifically sent two blondes.
I have the opposite problem with male dancers. Most white women are fine with a black male stripper, but black women are very insistent that the dancer be black. I would never send a white male to go dance for black women unless they specifically requested a white man.
Racism is raw and obvious in this business. I was really quite clueless as to what extent race was an issue in America before I started booking parties in Texas. I knew there were "fringe" types of racists around, but I figured that was just some wacko radicals. Uh-uh. It is a serious issue in the southern US. It is almost like there never was any integration in the first place.
That is totally alien to me. To me race is race. We can't help what color we are. There is no reason to judge a person based on their color. I, apparently, didn't see any point to racism that a lot of others feel very strongly about.
As a side note, the dancer that took a black partner with her to the party was from San Francisco and didn't realize how big of deal it was going to be in South Texas.
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ctstriptease1
(I prefer if dancers just don't talk, period). .
WHAT THE FUCK????????????????????
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ctstriptease1...go away. Seriously. Nobody cares about your anti-women rants. You dont sound like a macho man. You sound like a pathetic loser. Bye bye.
Back on topic...I've only done a cpl of private parties and never had a problem. My security was imtimidating and very visible and the guys stayed in line. Honestly though..I gave it up because it was just too much of a chance..I think I was very lucky I never had any issues at all.
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private parties sound a lot more dangerous in USA then Australia...
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Maybe about 3 years ago a friend of mine asked me and a friend to do a private party for a birthday out in a small town about 30 miles from san antonio tx. It was at a hunting ranch. There was about 50 or so people and it was us three and security and two other girls we didn't know. Long story short, the security had there hands full but the other girls didn't care to much for the rules and did what ever. We left in about 2 hours because it was just to much but they stayed. A few weeks later one of the girls came to work at my club and told me what happen after we left. She said that her friend was drunk and some of the guys ran a train on her. She also said that only one guy from the party helped them out. That's just crazy.
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ALee
private parties sound a lot more dangerous in USA then Australia...
I agree. It must be a cultural thing ?
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GoldCoastGirl
I agree. It must be a cultural thing ?
Not a cultural thing.. a type thing.
In Australia shows are 30-45 minutes tops. In, show, out.
In America there's not often security and it's hours of lapdancing for tips and flirting and stuff. More time - more alcohol - different setup - more rapes.
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Yikes. These stories are why I will only do private parties that are held IN THE CLUB with IN HOUSE SECURITY. I have to have a place and people I can trust.
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Callyish
Even doing parties inside the club i've had the worse problems. Men seem to think its funny to try and molest girls.
"Hey lets hire a stripper! I bet shes a whore and we can get a good gang bang out of her!"
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I was driving to do an 18th party and see-ing how the 'kids' acted out on the street.. it didn't look like the party was being adequately supervised at all.. they looked too drunk. No way was I getting out of my car.
Unfortunately, while I don't know the girl, the father of an assailant works with my husband. His teenage son had a "party" with friends. They hired either a stripper or a prostitute (sorry I don't know which), had her come to one of their houses and proceeded to do all these horrible things to her which I know included a baseball bat. Because they were all very wealthy, they basically got slaps on the wrist. It was a huge story in DC when it happened.
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Lysondra
Not a cultural thing.. a type thing.
In Australia shows are 30-45 minutes tops. In, show, out.
In America there's not often security and it's hours of lapdancing for tips and flirting and stuff. More time - more alcohol - different setup - more rapes.
Excuse my ignorance, but why isn't there any agencies in USA that are ran like the agencies down under? both show wise and security wise?
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ALee
Excuse my ignorance, but why isn't there any agencies in USA that are ran like the agencies down under? both show wise and security wise?
I'm not entirely sure. I'm sure it would go over very well if they did it like they do down-under. Not so much a 'cultural difference' as an 'ignorance' because they just.. don't. Probably some things to do with live sex act laws and things like that, though.
In America the agent is paid a fee and the girl gets nothing but the clients are told to bring lots of ones and have money for lappies and the girl is there for xxx amount of hours.. so it's like a 'strip club at home' type thing.
It's like why most clubs in America pay after the dances and most in Australia pay before - there's no reason - they just do.
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ALee
Excuse my ignorance, but why isn't there any agencies in USA that are ran like the agencies down under? both show wise and security wise?
Very few agencies are run responsibly because the owners are too lazy to do it right & too greedy to turn down sketchy shows. I had one agent try to coax me into a show I was unsure about by saying, "That's why you make the big money..." (inferring that was the trade-off for walking into a blind situation alone THAT I HAD EXPRESSED APPREHENSION ABOUT.) I hung up on her & she was repentant...but there you have it. Agencies will guilt trip you about turning down shows and give it to another, willing dancer if you turn down too often.
The other factors are that America is a pretty sexist country (the only girls that haven't quite realized this are the ones who haven't had to peddle any part of themselves to survive) and you get a group of drunk, horny males with steam to blow off...You need to know when to walk out the door & end a show early.
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mad maxine - it is late so forgive me, but that doesn't make sense!
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ALee
Excuse my ignorance, but why isn't there any agencies in USA that are ran like the agencies down under? both show wise and security wise?
How are the shows ran down under?
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ctstriptease1
How are the shows ran down under?
Open your eyes and read just about any other thread in this part of the forum and you will see ::) You really arnt all that bright are ya?
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ctstriptease1
How are the shows ran down under?
Alright, I'll be the queen of obvious here.
They have varying levels of shows. The agent is called and a girl gets the show depending on how things are run (some go alphabetical, some go for top girls...). The girl does a 10-45 minute show. No more. Most shows are 30 minutes and include vibrators.
The rules are:
No photography
No approaching the mat
No touching the girl unless invited and only where invited to touch - nowhere else
No throwing/spitting/insulting the girl
Any breaking of the rules and we walk out - no refunds - no finish of the show.
You're paid either by invoice or when you get there. Usually it's around $250 and you pay the agent $50. You get $200 and you do a whole huge actual showgirl type thing - much like a Canadian feature would do - but with toys... you can invite guys into your arena but that's YOUR area to do what you choose. So some girls don't invite guys and do shows only, no touching. Some girls allow breast touching. Some girls go around and do body shots - depends on the girl entirely.
Guy breaks the rules we already have the money, we leave and we report the guys and get them blacklisted.
Girls are in control in Aus. In America, the agents are.