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    I think this is pretty cool, though we are gonna be hearing the talking heads on the right bitch and moan about this for a while.

    Al Gore has won the Nobel Peace Prize this morning for his work on climate change. For better or for worse, whatever you think about Al Gore, it'll bring some more attention to the climate.

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    Al Gore's film 'An Inconvenient Truth' has just been the subject of a High Court ruling in the UK.

    It was being shown in UK schools as a warning about the effects of climate change. A headmaster brought a case against the UK goverment on the grounds that the science in the film was suspect.

    The judge did not ban the film from being shown in schools, but did rule that it could only be shown with guidance notes. This was because 9 major assertions in the film were not supported by mainstream science.

    The judges' arguement was that the rate of change of some aspects of climate change had been exagerated to maximise the political effect of the film.

    He said this was acceptable for a film intended to change the political climate re global warming, but that a film being shown to educate children should be factually accurate.

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    Default Re: Al Gore wins Nobel Peace prize.

    He won an oscar for Inconvenient Truth, not the Nobel Prize. The Nobel Prize was for his work over the past few decades on the climate.

    (Note: winning an oscar for that flick doesn't really mean much, the Nobel Prize means a whole lot! I intend to watch the talking heads on the right tonight to see their flesh crawling with mine own eyes, hehe)

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    I stand corrected.

    Phil.

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    I like Gore. He's an intelligent dude, and I'm glad he won this.

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    Default Re: Al Gore wins Nobel Peace prize.

    If only Gore had won a Presidential Election, too...

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    Yassar Arafat (1994) and Hitler (1939) won Nobel Peace Prizes, too...
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    Default Re: Al Gore wins Nobel Peace prize.

    So did Martin Luther King.

    And Hitler was nominated by some swedish guy, who retracted it days later. He didn't win it. Arafat did, however.

    EDIT: As for Arafat's Nobel, the 1994 prize was JOINTLY awarded to Arafat, Shimon Peres (the Foreign Minister of Israel) and Yitzhak Rabin (the Prime Minister of Israel) for their efforts to make peace in the middle east. Arafat hardly won it by himself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Budai View Post
    If only Gore had won a Presidential Election, too...
    He would have, had 9000 or so floridians not been so stupid they couldn't read their ballot card and accidentally voted for Pat Buchannon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Casual Observer View Post
    Yassar Arafat (1994) and Hitler (1939) won Nobel Peace Prizes, too...
    You're comparing Al Gore to Arafat and Hitler? Why not name others such as Lech Walesa, Mother Tereasa or Henry Kissinger, all former winners (not nominees like Hitler)? Or do you think they're as heinous as Hitler? Or are you just a douche-bag? Maybe you should not listen to Ann Coulter or Rush Limbaugh so much.

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    My point is that while the other Nobel prizes are given to people who are actually deserving in their respected fields, the Peace Prize has become a pedantic popularity contest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Howie View Post
    You're comparing Al Gore to Arafat and Hitler? Why not name others such as Lech Walesa, Mother Tereasa or Henry Kissinger, all former winners (not nominees like Hitler)? Or do you think they're as heinous as Hitler? Or are you just a douche-bag? Maybe you should not listen to Ann Coulter or Rush Limbaugh so much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madcap View Post
    QFT...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Casual Observer View Post
    My point is that while the other Nobel prizes are given to people who are actually deserving in their respected fields, the Peace Prize has become a pedantic popularity contest.
    I don't see how.

    Here are the last 10 years worth of winners...

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    INTERGOVERNMENTAL PANEL ON CLIMATE CHANGE (IPCC) and ALBERT ARNOLD ( AL) GORE JR. for their efforts to build up and disseminate greater knowledge about man-made climate change, and to lay the foundations for the measures that are needed to counteract such change.

    2006
    MUHAMMAD YUNUS and GRAMEEN BANK for their efforts to create economic and social development from below.

    2005
    INTERNATIONAL ATOMIC ENERGY AGENCY and MOHAMED ELBARADEI for their efforts to prevent nuclear energy from being used for military purposes and to ensure that nuclear energy for peaceful purposes is used in the safest possible way.

    2004
    WANGARI MAATHAI for her contribution to sustainable development, democracy and peace

    2003
    SHIRIN EBADI for her efforts for democracy and human rights

    2002
    JIMMY CARTER JR., former President of the United States of America, for his decades of untiring effort to find peaceful solutions to international conflicts, to advance democracy and human rights, and to promote economic and social development

    2001
    UNITED NATIONS, New York, NY, USA
    KOFI ANNAN, United Nations Secretary General

    2000
    KIM DAE JUNG for his work for democracy and human rights in South Korea and in East Asia in general, and for peace and reconciliation with North Korea in particular.

    1999
    DOCTORS WITHOUT BORDERS (MÉDECINS SANS FRONTIÈRES), Brussels, Belgium.

    1998
    JOHN HUME and DAVID TRIMBLE for their efforts to find a peaceful solution to the conflict in Northern Ireland.

    1997
    INTERNATIONAL CAMPAIGN TO BAN LANDMINES (ICBL) and JODY WILLIAMS for their work for the banning and clearing of anti-personnel mines.

    Aside from Jommy Carter, and MAYBE Kofi Annan, how is it possible for this to be a popularity contest?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Casual Observer View Post
    My point is that while the other Nobel prizes are given to people who are actually deserving in their respected fields, the Peace Prize has become a pedantic popularity contest.
    I agree with you. My only question is............. How much did George Soros pay this time?

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    Well for starters, here's Nobel's original intent for the prize:

    ...the Peace Prize should be awarded "to the person who shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between the nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses".

    And Al Gore has done anything toward that end with his self-aggrandizing promotion tool?

    Please. Jimmy Carter is one of the few people in your list that probably actually deserved it (Israel/Egypt treaty, anyone?).
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    Well, Gore's not in politics anymore, and aside from his video, he's done plenty that's not for commercial appeal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Casual Observer View Post
    Well for starters, here's Nobel's original intent for the prize:

    ...the Peace Prize should be awarded "to the person who shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between the nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses".

    And Al Gore has done anything toward that end with his self-aggrandizing promotion tool?

    Please. Jimmy Carter is one of the few people in your list that probably actually deserved it (Israel/Egypt treaty, anyone?).

    Your point? Intent's change. Martin Luther King didn't 'work for fraternity between the nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies' yet he damned well deserved that prize. Something's 'original intent' has little bearing on how it is used practically, look at the constitution of the US for one other example.

    And, again, Al Gore has been working to preserve the Environment long before some movie. If making a movie scored you a peace prize, speilberg would have 10 of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSexKitten View Post
    Well, Gore's not in politics anymore, and aside from his video, he's done plenty that's not for commercial appeal.
    I agree with this completely. He's not in office or running for office. Those who think he's self-promoting and insinuate that he has some ulterior motive - I honestly cannot imagine what that motive might be. I believe this issue is - or SHOULD be - beyond political pettiness, and I believe Gore is working out of genuine concern for the planet as its inhabitants. Which is more than I can say for a lot of our elected officials. On both sides of the fence.

    Casual, I understand the point you were trying to make by quoting the original intention of the Peace Prize, but I think the world as we understand it has changed dramatically since its inception. True, Gore's work has not specifically addressed warring between nations, but we now know that there are things that threaten the world BESIDES war. I believe this broadening of the prize is intentional, and is a reflection of our increased awareness of an enormous threat to all nations.

    After 2000, Gore could have slipped into obscurity (anyone hear from Dan Quayle lately?) and bitterness, and no one would have raised an eyebrow, but he chose to return to something that he cared deeply about, working tirelessly for it, for the sake of all of us. I think the prize is well deserved.
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    Those who think he's self-promoting and insinuate that he has some ulterior motive - I honestly cannot imagine what that motive might be.

    the Carbon Tax for starters !!!





    (snip)"Al Gore defends his extraordinary personal energy usage by telling critics he maintains a "carbon neutral" lifestyle by buying "carbon offsets," but the company that receives his payments turns out to be partly owned and chaired by the former vice president himself.

    Gore has built a "green money-making machine capable of eventually generating billions of dollars for investors, including himself, but he set it up so that the average Joe can't afford to play on Gore's terms," writes blogger Dan Riehl.

    Gore has described the lifestyle he and his wife Tipper live as "carbon neutral," meaning he tries to offset any energy usage, including plane flights and car trips, by "purchasing verifiable reductions in CO2 elsewhere."

    But it turns out he pays for his extra-large carbon footprint through Generation Investment Management, a London-based company with offices in Washington, D.C., for which he serves as chairman. The company was established to take financial advantage of new technologies and solutions related to combating "global warming," reports blogger Bill Hobbs.

    (Story continues below)

    Generation Investment Management's U.S. branch is headed by a former Gore staffer and fund-raiser, Peter S. Knight, who once was the target of probes by the Federal Election Commission and the Department of Justice.

    Hobbs points out Gore stands to make a lot of money from his promotion of the alleged "global warming" threat, which is disputed by many mainstream scientists. "(snip)



    (snip)"Global Warming Junk Bonds?

    Blogger Doug Ross finds some intriguing links between Al Gore and junk bond king Michael Milke and wonders if carbon offsets are just a high-class junk bond scam, but updated for the 21st century. The similarities and the links are real. I must say I never expected my original story on Gore, carbon offsets and Generation Investment Management to develop this way but, looking back at it, I see a fine example of collaborative journalism.

    First, the Tennessee Center for Policy Research releases Gore's electric bills showing his Nashville mansion to be an energy hog. Next, The Tennessean, in writing about the TCPR's release, quotes Gore's spokesperson saying Gore's energy use is "green" because he buys something called "carbon offsets" from a company called Generation Investment Management. Next, I do what the newspaper reporter should have done - examine whether what the Gore flack said is true or not. I take look at Generation Investment Management - Gore's invesment management firm - and find that it doesn't sell carbon offsets. Next, Dan Riehl investigates GIM further and finds allegations of corruption once swirled around the Gore confidante who runs GIM's American operations. And, now, Ross finds similarities between "carbon offsets" and junk bonds - and ties between Gore and the convicted former junk bond king Michael Milken."(snip)



    In a nutshell, the unstated goal of the 'Carbon Tax' is to use the power of gov't to mandate that business and industry in the US and other 'developed' countries (who would be restricted from increasing carbon emissions under the Kyoto treaty) must buy offsetting 'Carbon Credits' from other businesses and industries in the 3rd world (who were 'given' the right to pollute / increase carbon emissions via the Kyoto treaty) if they wish to remain in business. This necessarily mandates the creation of a 'Carbon Credits' trading market akin to a stock market. Al Gore's company has pre-positioned itself to connect the 'Carbon Credit' buyers with the 'Carbon Credit' sellers, and to pocket a brokerage fee in the process.

    I would also add that until the Carbon Tax / Carbon Credits thing gets the force of law behind it, Gore's company has been profiting via (taxpayer funded) grant money, by investing in other Alternative Energy companies that are cashing in at the public trough via gov't grants, subsidies and tax credits on a scale that gives Corporate Welfare a whole new meaning.

    (snip)"Building on the outstanding work of Dan Riehl and others, Noel sums up the scam:

    ...a flimflam of epic proportions:

    * First, Gore sets up a company that will invest in other companies that will benefit from global warming alarmism
    * Second, Gore gets some Hollywood types to fund and produce a movie designed to scare the c-c-carbon out of the population
    * Third, Gore travels the world promoting this movie, while pushing the view that a cataclysm is imminent if the world doesn't immediately act
    * Fourth, an adoring media falls for the con hook, line, and sinker. Rather than debunking the flaws in the theories, the media promote every word of it while advancing the concept that Gore's views represent those of an overwhelming majority of scientists
    * Fifth, scared governments and citizens across the globe invest in alternative energy programs driving up the shares of companies Gore's group has already invested in
    * Sixth, Gore and his cronies make billions as they laugh all the way to the bank at the stupidity of their fellow citizens"(snip) from

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    and at about the same moment that Al Gore was receiving the Nobel ... an 'inconvenient' call came in from the 'Oscars' people ...



    (snip)"Seriously Inconvenient Truth: Producers of Gore’s Film Asked to Return Oscars

    By Noel Sheppard | October 11, 2007 - 22:46 ET

    As media in America fall all over themselves with glee at the thought of the Global Warmingist-in-Chief winning a Nobel Peace Prize, Wednesday's findings by a British judge that Al Gore's film "An Inconvenient Truth" contained nine material falsehoods has prompted a request to the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences to strip the movie's producers of the Oscars they received in February for "Best Documentary."

    How delicious.

    As reported by The West Australian Friday:

    A conservative think-tank in New Zealand has written to the president of the America's Academy Awards asking that the Oscar awarded to the director of an Inconvenient Truth be taken back.

    Former New Zealand MP Dr Muriel Newman, director of web-based think-tank the New Zealand Centre for Political Research, said she had taken the measure in response to a British High Court ruling Thursday.

    This is her actual press release (emphasis added):

    "With the release of the British High Court judgement overnight that found that ‘An Inconvenient Truth' was littered with nine inconvenient untruths, it is clear that Al Gore embellished the truth to create dramatic effect (more details).

    "Given that the Oscar Award was presented in the documentary category and not the drama category, the only appropriate action now is for the Academy to rescind the Award as it was clearly inappropriately classed as a documentary.

    "The truth, as inconvenient as it is to Al Gore, is that his so-called documentary contained critical distortions that are quite contrary to the principles of good documentary journalism. Good documentaries should be factually correct. Clearly this documentary is not.

    "This situation is not unlike that confronting sports bodies, when their sports "stars" are found to be drug cheats. In such cases, the sportsmen and women are stripped of their medals and titles, with the next-place getter elevated. While this is an extremely unpleasant duty, it is necessary if the integrity of competitive sport is to be protected.

    "Just this week Olympic gold medal winner Marion Jones has been stripped of her titles and medals.

    "If the integrity of the Academy Awards is to remain intact, is wholly appropriate that Al Gore be stripped of his ‘Best Documentary' film Oscar.


    "If the Academy wishes to acknowledge the work of people like Al Gore they should form a new category of film called ‘Political Drama'. That's how ‘An Inconvenient Truth' should be categorised", Dr Newman said. "(snip)

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    Melonie:

    Your prodigious intellect consistently gives me major wood...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madcap View Post
    I think this is pretty cool, though we are gonna be hearing the talking heads on the right bitch and moan about this for a while.
    Clearly this is already well underway. At least Ann Coulter is succinct in stating her position. ("God gave us the earth. We have dominion over the plants, the animals, the trees. God said, 'Earth is yours. Take it. Rape it. It's yours.'"---Hannity & Colmes, 6/20/01)

    Anyway, I personally don't think that there's anything wrong with helping to provide financial backing to companies and policies that can change the world for the better, if someone has the means to do so.

    I'd prefer to discuss our opinions primarily in our own words, but if we just want to trade cut-n-paste media sources (which can just disintegrate into endless back & forth), here's Gore appearing on Charlie Rose to discuss the movie and the carbon tax (which is at about 42:00 specifically), and here's an article citing the support of top climate scientists for "An Inconvenient Truth".

    As for the UK ruling, here's the latest from a London environmental reporter on that, posted a few hours ago (snip for snap):

    But in many ways it is this process of scrutiny that has allowed the IPCC’s pronouncements to have such an impact. Every piece of evidence it presents publicly, every statement it makes has been assessed rigorously. If it errs at all, it errs on the side of caution and by being able so convincingly to shrug off accusations of exaggeration that it has won credibility for itself and its findings.

    Mr Gore isn’t quite so constrained. In An Inconvenient Truth he was able to present a point of view, just as the makers of The Great Global Warming Swindle on Channel 4 did to the delight of sceptics.

    But his point of view was broadly sustained by the science as the High Court in London recognised this week despite a judge identifying nine errors within the Oscar-winning documentary. Entertaining though the judge’s criticisms were, Mr Justice Burton made it clear that the essential message of An Inconvenient Truth was backed up by a wealth of science.

    It is that reliance on science that has made the documentary such a worldwide success and made Mr Gore a hero of the environmental movement. Where scientists have endeavoured to understand the nature, extent and likely consequences of climate change, Mr Gore has brought their conclusions into everyday conversation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoseWhite View Post
    Clearly this is already well underway. At least Ann Coulter is succinct in stating her position. ("God gave us the earth. We have dominion over the plants, the animals, the trees. God said, 'Earth is yours. Take it. Rape it. It's yours.'"---Hannity & Colmes, 6/20/01)
    Zzzzzzzomg.

    Even protozoa have more rationale than this woman.

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    At least Ann Coulter is succinct in stating her position. ("God gave us the earth. We have dominion over the plants, the animals, the trees. God said, 'Earth is yours. Take it. Rape it. It's yours.'"---Hannity & Colmes, 6/20/01)
    Self-aggrandizing knows no political allegiance; Ms. Coulter is the epitome of shock promotion...and clearly not for the better of political discourse.

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