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    I feel like there is this duality that exist within stripping, and its especially apparent if I compare this forum to what actually takes place in a strip club. At least at a high pressure "grinder" club.

    A strip club is so many different things to the dancers, and to the customers. Its probably one of the most fascinating places to go if you like people watching.

    To me the best comparison is to that of a drug. That its just all these people experiencing this drug to various degrees, but the difference is the drug is a human being behind the persona they give out.

    Everyone has their drug of choice. There was the episode of weeds the other week where this kid admits that pot, or alcohol doesn't really do anything for him, but that touching boobies does. What if you're that guy that likes touching boobies over any other drug? Yeah, I might be perverted but I can't imagine a better drug. Its not really addicting at least not in a "withdrawl pains" sort of way. To get un-addicted you just take a little breather.

    I still ask the question

    Do I wear pervy pants to see a girl who's even pointed them out as pervy pants, but who seems to be cool with it and has "fun" with them? Where I've had unbelievably great times with her? She is a major libra and excels at saying things that make me feel great even though I know all the falseness within. In the moment the fantasies rule over logic, but in the end I know its fake. I don't like the idea of cumming while at a club, but the logic of a club sort of goes hand in hand with cumming. With the kind of chemistry change that happens after a dancer is done with you, and running to the next guy. If you don't cum then you still have the same chemistry as you had while getting the dance. Bad, bad, bad..

    Do I latch onto the idea that there must be something wrong, and that I probably make her feel like shit one some level (that she probably showers to get my stench off and she probably goes ewww when in the backroom after being with me). That like any job the money you get from it comes at a cost. What you get from something is always a question of what your willing to give up for it. Its a high pressure club so knowing that I'll spend at least $100 at minimum if not $200 or $300 on her means that paying house will be easy (at least $130 but most girls owe back rent so its more like $160 a night).

    That just because I'm a person that has no problems saying "no" to shit I don't want doesn't mean that everyone else is.

    Do I wear khaki's in the search of a new girl? I do like meeting new dancers occasionally even though its a pain in the ass. That now they charge $30 a dance so just trying to see if your comfortable with them is harder. There is a bigger difference between $20 and $30 then just $10. Part of it is psychological and part of it logistical (you get $20's out of the cash machine and not $10's). So normally I just fuck it and stick to the tried and true even though its a bad idea to get too attached to one dancer. Although the last time I tried a new dancer my regular dancer ignored me for the rest of the night because she was pissed at me for "cheating on her". She even huffed at the girl I got dances from. ughh I hate that. Jealously destroys the fantasy.

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    The strippers that post here are the creme de la creme of dancerdom. They are not your average dancers so I doubt your angst will generate any real zeal on their part to enlighten you. I mean, not in the way you want to be enlightened. Had you asked me beforehand, I would have suggested that you read previous threads, being fairly certain that your questions have already been asked and answered many, many times. But I admit to being persnickety.

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    Actually I read them, and thats what prompted my post.

    I do feel as if my post got a little sidetracked though. I meant to keep it towards the duality aspect where a multiple things coexisted within a club, and to the drug comparison.

    Its actually more bothersome to me that a strip club is forced to be all these things then anything else. It just comes out in the question of attire. As a customer its a little hard to dress for one kind of dancer that you intended to see, but at the same time dress appropriate for someone new.

    The only angst I'd have is those damn $30 dances. Haha. I'll never get the logic of those.

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    So, is this a question of attire? If so, my opinion is that a gentleman should dress as a gentleman in public. A gentleman does not wear "pervy" pants in public. If you want to get dances in your "pervy" pants, may I suggest hiring a private dancer for a more discrete performance at your home (or other location)? Otherwise, stick to jeans, khakis, slacks or other more appropriate attire.

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    I think the problem with your post, wrxer, is that it doesn't make a whole heap of sense. I think I can distill a few main questions, but the stuff in between (the parts about the drugs, the cumming, the chemistry, the trouble-saying-no?) is honestly pretty confusing. Here's what I can figure you asked; I'll answer to the best of my abilties, but I might not be too enlightening.

    Q: When looking for a new ATF (or regular dancer, what-have-you) should I wear khakis?
    A: Khakis, slacks, even jeans, though they're a little scratchy. Sweatpants are generally regarded as weird and pervy. They also look sloppy.

    Q: Aren't $30 dances annoying?
    A: Yes. I think that many dancers even find them annoying, because $30 dances often mean that $10 goes to the house, and we have no real interest in anyone paying more money to the club, whether it be us or you. So in a way, we feel your pain. In another way, pay up plz.

    Q: Do dancers find me revolting even though they pretend not to?
    A: I'm not sure. The best thing you can do is act as un-revolting as possible. I've definitely been revolted by some custies, but there have been a few in the mix I've liked very much. Heck, I've even found some to be handsome and polite, and I felt genuinely pleased to be dancing for them. Of course, the opposite is also true. You're a thoughtful guy, you have to have an idea of when you're being creepy.

    NB: One of the best ways to win a dancer's affection is to be generous. It shows that you understand she is at work, appreciate her efforts, and honestly want her to be well. If you had really excellent service at a restaurant, you'd tip your waitress generously; the same holds true at a club. Like waitresses, we rely upon the kindness of strangers (combined with our own cunning and determination) to get by in our day-to-day "real" lives. A generous customer = an easier real life. When I don't have to fret about paying the electric bill or my tuition, I think of you and the $1000 CR we had last night, and I smile.

    Anyway, ^^^that^^^ had all been written a zillion times before, but I was feeling garrulous, and I suppose it bears repeating. If you'd care to clarify the rest of your original post, I'd be interested in reading it.
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    Dude, you are over-thinking this.
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    Ha, the problem with my post was that I really didn't have any questions. It probably just wasn't the right place for what I originally intended to say.

    I don't really a shit about pervy pants versus khakis. They both have there purpose and the selection of them depends on what I'm looking for. I would never wear pervy pants with a new girl, and I probably wouldn't wear khakis with a girl that I've been getting high contract, extremely amazing lapdances with. I'm pretty sure once a girl has her hands in your pants that she doesn't give a shit about whether they're pervy pants or not.

    I made the drug comparison because thats what it is. That its about someone getting further, and further into depravity and self indulgence. That these actions are all with girls that I have at some time seen outside the club. That it's well past any level of normal. That the last time I did anything like it I spend $600 in one night. Sure it was fun, but it was fucked up on so many levels. I hate the moral or ethical arguments because its really no different then someone having a party and doing a lot of drugs. Sometimes people like things that are fucked up or like getting fucked up.

    I admit that I do question my actions. That maybe I've gone a bit too far off the deep end and that its just gross. I've had extremely good times with low contact, low pressure, wearing khakis (and boxer briefs of course) where I'd only get a hundred or two hundred $ worth of dances.

    I only really question my actions with girls that I feel might have problems saying no. I certainly don't question what I wear if I get a dance from a girl who makes $1000 a night because I know she wouldn't give me the time of day if she didn't like it. I would love being told no.

    Regarding the $30's -> This is a high pressure club. This isn't a place that charges $10 extra on top of each dance. This is a club that expects a girl to make bank. They expect at least $130 for rent a night on top of all the tipping they are expected to do.

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    "Dude, you are over-thinking this."

    Its all fun until someone start to over-think things.

    I love how so many realities can exist in a strip club. The geeks, the viagra taking old dudes, the jocks just talking to girls, the mexicans spending there entire paycheck, the african americans who are too cool to pay for lapdances (gotta respect that). Its great fun.

    I make fun of the pervy's wearing shorts yet I wear breakaway basketball pants. They have good insulation though.

    They are still pervy pants though

    I have my khakis for the innocent girls until they stop being innocent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wrxer View Post
    I'm pretty sure once a girl has her hands in your pants that she doesn't give a shit about whether they're pervy pants or not.

    Regarding the $30's -> This is a high pressure club. This isn't a place that charges $10 extra on top of each dance. This is a club that expects a girl to make bank. They expect at least $130 for rent a night on top of all the tipping they are expected to do.
    Umm..once a girl gives you a hand job for money she isnt a stripper anymore, shes a hooker. So what strippers find offensive and annoying/creepy(like "pervy pants") wouldnt apply to a hooker.

    And we arent talking about $30 PLUS $10 to the house. Many places charge the girl per dance. SO if you are paying her $30...she may very well be giving $10 of that to the lcub netteing her $20 per dance.

    And clubs dont care if a girl banksor not. They care if THEY bank...I"ve worked at amny clubs that charged exorbitant house fees/tip outs/etc.....doesnt mean the girls were banking. But the club took as much of our money as they could


    I'm not really getting the point of this thread. Are you asking something? Bragging about getting extras? What?

    Quote Originally Posted by wrxer View Post
    I have my khakis for the innocent girls until they stop being innocent.
    So...you think every stripper turns into a hooker? Or learns to enjoy pervy guys who wear pants so thin you can feel the veins in their cock? Sorry to burst your bubble. I've ben dancing almost 7 years and it still irritates me.

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    ^^I'm with Cameron.

    Really, is Cameron *ever* wrong in her observations?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stellaforstars View Post
    ^^I'm with Cameron.

    Really, is Cameron *ever* wrong in her observations?
    Awww.....thanks!

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    "I have my khakis for the innocent girls until they stop being innocent."

    I was kidding about that.

    Pushing girls to do stuff is just illogical. It never works and is just ugly.

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    Congratulations wrxer. This is the most words I've seen anyone post here in a long time without saying anything....
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    Quote Originally Posted by wrxer View Post
    "I have my khakis for the innocent girls until they stop being innocent."

    I was kidding about that.

    Pushing girls to do stuff is just illogical. It never works and is just ugly.
    Well..I'm glad you were kidding. Tone is difficult to get on the internet...thats why many of us use the smileys to show how we meant a comment to be taken

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    Quote Originally Posted by stellaforstars View Post
    ^^I'm with Cameron.

    Really, is Cameron *ever* wrong in her observations?
    Seriously, me too. Cam, thank you for saying what I was thinking.


    And dude, what is your point in this thread? Bragging about having girls go into your basketball shorts during lapdances makes you look beyond pathetic. So really, exactly what do you want to learn here?

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    ".I"ve worked at amny clubs that charged exorbitant house fees/tip outs/et"

    See that's the FEAR. I have this fear because I get off on them doing stuff they wouldn't normally do. That they are being pushed into doing more pervy stuff because of the house fee's etc. Because of all the pressure that is put on them. I can't imagine consistently making $130 a night especially when some nights can truly be dead.

    That there is a lot of pressure both ways.

    The $30 a dance rant was regarding that pressure. For $30 a dance it puts pressure on the customer as well.

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    So, ummm, you're worried about the dancers because our house fees can be high on occasion and some girls might do 'whatever it takes' to make that money?

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    " Bragging about having girls go into your basketball shorts during lapdances"

    Bragging? I don't think so.

    I do enjoy it, but its really quite silly. It has no lasting validation aspect. I don't even really see it as being a big deal. Its just that we live in such an anti-sex culture that its a big deal to some people.

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    "house fees can be high on occasion"

    Its more about the desire to have fun while still being respectful of a persons limits. About recognizing when those limits might be pushed for some reason.

    Should I just stick to girls that make a boat load of money and not worry about it?

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    As I alluded in my post, this thread is stripper fodder. I don't see a pleasant ending. But since it was initiated by a customer and not a CC rant initiated by a dancer...well...I don't feel sorry for him.

    Jay and Jenny may disagree once they log in and read so there may be a time limit to your fun.

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    Ummm so you are worried that girls are whoring themselves out to you to cover their house fees? yeah ok.

    1) If the girl is staying at that club she must be profiting
    2) $130 a night is chump change for most strippers. Its what we make on crappy nights.
    3) you could oh...I dont know..NOT accept offers of prostitution and just pay and tip for dances like you are supposed to. Then they'd make their money WITHOUT having to do anything they dont want.

    But you wont because as you already said...you get off on girls doing stuff they dont want to do because they are desperate.


    What a lovely person you must be. Desperation fetish....

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    I'm really amazed--I rather expected to see chunks of meat ripped out of wrxer's body and spit on the floor before this. I guess you ladies are just becoming more tolerant and forgiving.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UtahMike View Post
    I'm really amazed--I rather expected to see chunks of meat ripped out of wrxer's body and spit on the floor before this. I guess you ladies are just becoming more tolerant and forgiving.
    Eh, I took the night off, I figured this thread could amuse me for a while. Sadly, I was wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UtahMike View Post
    I guess you ladies are just becoming more tolerant and forgiving.
    No...just tired. And bored with the same old crap

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    Well, tell you what. Since I thought the thread was retarded to begin with and several of you all agree and I am a moderator here (surprise)...well...it's closed.

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