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    Okay so my right knee has lots of fluid on it(you can see it from a distance lol) and umm other then icing it and taking anti inflammatorys what can I do for it?

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    I've had to have mine drained (oddly, it's my right knee too). It hurt like a bitch, but OMG it felt so much better a couple days later.

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    Maybe do stretches too? I don't know... or go search at www.webmd.com..there might be some good tips. I'm guessing it's from an injury? Yikes, it sounds painful

    See an orthopedic doc if you can..or just look up advice online in a search engine. Hope it gets better!

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    I JUST had this too! I wore a store-bought knee brace, the kind with a hole in the middle (over the knee cap, and it helped to push the fluid out. I also iced it for 30 minutes a day while elevating it, at the advice of my doctor. Hurt like a bitch!

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    Go to the doctor! Since dancing is your livelihood, I wouldn't screw around. If he tells you to do exactly what you're doing, fine. But I'd sleep better knowing you sought medical attention for it.

    Like Ginger, you might need to get it drained. You also need advice on preventative measures as well.

    Feel better baby!

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    Oh Callyish, you must feel so uncomfortable .

    I second DylanAngel- See your doctor, just in case, since there is a small possibility that the inflammation can be a result of a bacterial infection, so you would definitely want to rule that out...

    Aside from that, I don't know what your diet is like, but you might consider:

    -Cutting back on dairy/whey products, since clinical studies have shown that these dietary components actually increase inflammation of the joints, particularly in individuals who already experience arthritis of any kind (including the kind caused by overusage).

    -Additionally, try to cut out all hydrogenated vegetable oils (These are found in fried foods/fast food snacks), since their hydrogenation changes their molecular composition. In their natural forms, they are healthy Omega-6 EFAs, but in their hydrogenated forms, they are linked to arthritis of all kinds, tumors (both cancerous and not) as well as blood clotting (and more).

    -Stay hydrated and stay away from dieuretics (caffeine/coffee/tea/soda & salt), which draw water out of our bodies. Joint pain can be a very relative symptom of dehydration since the mean water composition of a human being in general is approximately 70% and synovial fluid is comprised mainly of water. As a result, dehydration increases friction which in turn increases inflammation, which causes pain and decreases the body's natural ability to repair itself, which decreases the liquid cushioning of your knee joint (Start cycle again).

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    Suggestions:

    1. Omega-3* EFA has been shown to successfully treat stiffness and inflammation of the joints. You can acquire Omega-3* EFA from marine sources (fish oil) as well as flaxseed oil, the latter which is easier to stomach and bypasses contamination concerns.

    2. Glucosamine* and chondroitin*, which are both naturally occuring in our own musculoskeletal system, have also been credited with maintaining the viscosity of the synovial fluid of the joints; i.e. knee, in your condition. Clinical studies have demonstrated that both, used either individually or in unison, to be more effective in providing relief than acetaminophen:

    3. NSAIDs, such as acetaminophen, are hepatotoxic (toxic to the liver); hence the warnings on the label:

    "...may cause liver damage" &
    "Stop use and consult with your physician if pain increases or lasts 10+ days"-

    Just be aware.

    *If you are taking medications such as anti-coagulants, or if you are taking medications currently treating heart disease and arthritis, please DO NOT incorporate these changes before speaking to your doctor.

    I hope this helps Callyish and I hope you feel better really soon .

    P.S. Go see a doc, preferably Sports Medicine, if you can .

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    Other than icing it and anti inflammatories, there isn't a whole lot you can do at home. Definitely elevate it, and keep off of it as much as possible. You've probably developed a case of bursitis from all of the pressure and repetetive motion put on your knees from the dancing. Unfortunately it is one of the most common dancer health afflictions, and I feel for you. I deal with still even after having not danced for over a year A brace may help, and depending on what you wear while working you can wear it under a pair of boots, but it is crucial that you stay off of that knee until it has healed otherwise it will get worse and you'll definitely need to have that bursa drained.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hot2Trot View Post
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    3. NSAIDs, such as acetaminophen, are hepatotoxic (toxic to the liver); hence the warnings on the label:

    "...may cause liver damage" &
    "Stop use and consult with your physician if pain increases or lasts 10+ days"-

    Just be aware.


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    Acetaminophen is not an NSAID,. It is considered an analgesic and an antipyretic. It can be hepatotoxic if not taken according to dosing instructions. Ibuprofen is an NSAID Ibuprofen is not hepatoxic, but can aggravate stomach ulcers if you have them. Try 800 mg ibuprofen three times a day. ACE wrap the knee. If the knee is hot, red, or you have a fever, a septic joint is a real concern. Either way, if you don't remember a specific injury, you should seen an orthopedist or sports medicine physician.

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    Thanks guys. I think im going to try and hunt down a doctor to go see in Victoria since not only is my knee all icky(its completely bruised around the joint now bleh) I managed to do in my shoulder again so I need to get a script for naproxen *sigh*

    I made a promise to myself and my parents that when im done this little tour I will see a sports therapist when I go home. I promised them I would take two - three weeks off and get my body put back together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Callyish View Post
    I made a promise to myself and my parents that when im done this little tour I will see a sports therapist when I go home. I promised them I would take two - three weeks off and get my body put back together.
    YAY for taking care of yourself!

    Rest is the best medicine of all.

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    Yes, please go see a doc! Cally must feel better!

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    I just am trying to figure out how im going to go to my family doctor and say "I havn't seen you in 5 years but umm basically I need to know how to stop making everything hurt' lol.

    Seriously my back, my shoulder, my knees, my wrists... my entire body is falling apart

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    Well if I were you, what I would do is make a list of all your 'aches and pains', how long they have been bothering you, and a list of all vitamins, pains meds, etc. you are taking. Because the GP will want to know all those things anyways and you'll have them all written out. Then you can spend more time trying to resolve things with your doc instead of trying to think of everything at the appointment.

    And if your open with your doc, maybe you could tell her you dance so that she can give you tips on how to take care of your body the best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boxingdoc View Post
    Acetaminophen is not an NSAID,. It is considered an analgesic and an antipyretic. It can be hepatotoxic if not taken according to dosing instructions. Ibuprofen is an NSAID Ibuprofen is not hepatoxic, but can aggravate stomach ulcers if you have them. Try 800 mg ibuprofen three times a day. ACE wrap the knee. If the knee is hot, red, or you have a fever, a septic joint is a real concern. Either way, if you don't remember a specific injury, you should seen an orthopedist or sports medicine physician.
    Yes, you are correct.

    Callyish, I was grouping them together, since acetaminophen is classified alongside NSAIDs by the AMA, the FDA, the DHH as well as the APA for treatment of pain management/arthritis/joint inflammation:

    My apologies for not splitting hairs , since alot of the people I talk to day-to-day already know ^this^:

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    However boxingdoc, acetaminophen is indeed toxic to the liver, as are NSAIDs, especially if taken regularly, in multiple dosages (with other products containing acetaminophen), and in combination with alcohol.

    And although ibuprofen is not hepatoxic, as you pointed out, its renal toxicity is relatively high, and this has been more than well documented in the journals.
    (I believe that ^herein^ lies the most likely link to the increase being seen in liver and kidney cancers).

    AND, since liver and kidney damage have been proven to coexist more times than not, I thought it prudent to give a general warning boxingdoc:

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    My point, Callyish, was that continued use of pain relievers without treating the source of said pain will build toxicity levels in your system that don't just "go away," they affect your organs and I thought it might be helpful if you were aware of that, if you didn't already know.

    Callyish, get thee to the doctor REGARDLESS of whether you do or don't remember a specific injury (!). You are at the point where you are suffering chronic pain and I believe that you might greatly benefit from a more targeted pain management regimen, which a doctor of sports medicine will be specifically capable of doing.

    And if you have the option, do not take this to a general practitioner. They are more prone to telling a person,

    "Stiff knee? OTC and ice it."

    Like I said in my earlier post, sports medicine might be the best avenue for your condition and I do hope that you feel better soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hot2Trot View Post


    However boxingdoc, acetaminophen is indeed toxic to the liver, as are NSAIDs, especially if taken regularly, in multiple dosages (with other products containing acetaminophen), and in combination with alcohol.


    I did not disagree about the acetaminophen. I've transferred one patient for immediate liver transplant secondary to fulminant liver failure caused by chronic tylenol use and I've given way to many NAC treatments to people who think that ODing on tylenol will be quick and painless instead of prolonged and agonizing. The rate of serious liver disease caused by NSAID use is 1-3 in 100,000 and is generally reversible when one stops taking the drug. The rate of acute liver failure secondary to NSAID use is rare enough that it is considered reportable. I stand by what I said before...even given your caveat. Ibuprofen, taken at the recommended dosage, (and not mixing it with other nsaid containing drugs or alcohol) is reasonably safe.

    Callyish, I know you are in Canada and I don't know the Canadian system well. Does it require you to get a referral from your PMD so that you can see a specialist?

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    Yes, I have to see my family doctor before I can see a specialist. In order for Medicare(free health) to cover anything it must be done via referral.

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    Well, if you are able to walk with your knee as it is, may I suggest skipping plain xrays and going straight to MRI? Not that I would dream of telling your personal physician what to do, but plain films are great for diagnosis fractures and dislocations. MRIs are more useful for diagnosing ACL tears and meniscal tears, which seem more likely in your case.

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    How would I suggest this to him? I wont be able to see him till January(I actually called today to make the apt and the next one thats open I am out of town for and the next one isn't till January). I mean its not horrible, im still dancing and stuff, im just icing it between shows and taking advil liquid gels, they're the 400mg ones. Im taking two a day on the days where its sore. I am unable to take asprin as in my teenage years I thought they would be great to OD on and now they upset my stomach(silly me).

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    Quote Originally Posted by boxingdoc View Post
    I stand by what I said before...even given your caveat. Ibuprofen, taken at the recommended dosage, (and not mixing it with other nsaid containing drugs or alcohol) is reasonably safe.
    And I CONFIDENTLY stand by what I said before boxingdoc .
    boxingdoc, we will agree to disagree- If you like, you can PM me.

    Callyish, the BOTTOM line is that one should not self-medicate a condition for more than ten days; i.e. self-medicate a chronic condition. The ten days is a timeline because if it goes past, this means that the condition might very well go beyond the symptoms that manifest.

    I understand that right now, given your tour, you don't have much of a choice, BUT, the pain relievers are masking the pain and are only allowing you to push your body way past what you are supposed to, further aggravating and possibly further worsening your condition. Pain is our body's indication to STOP and we should pay attention to this, rather than see it as an inconvenience or weakness.

    Furthermore, there may be underlying problems that are yet undiagnosed contributing to your current symptoms.
    In other words Callyish, your swollen knee may be a signal of yet another condition other than your knee.

    Where I come from, an ethical medical professional would never, EVER attempt to make an online diagnosis in good conscience, since there are so many unknown factors/analysis that must be taken into account (i.e. patient history, actual physical examination).

    The lesson being: Do not come online for a diagnosis; LoL (Seriously though) .
    There is no possible way to get one, especially with internally related injuries.

    Maybe rashes; LoL.

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    Im not doing a self diagnosis. I am going to see a doctor I just can't see one at this very moment. If it gets worse(right now its tolerable) I will go to a walk in clinic but the problem is they can't and wont do anything for me as its not my GP. I can not walk out on my bookings. Its a matter of dealing with it until I can see my GP, which is not until January as i've already called to see when I could.

    I only take advil when I have to, its not daily as I don't want to over do it. I have worked my show around so im not on my knees too much so im limiting the damage. I am taking care of things the best I can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hot2Trot View Post

    Where I come from, an ethical medical professional would never, EVER attempt to make an online diagnosis in good conscience, since there are so many unknown factors/analysis that must be taken into account (i.e. patient history, actual physical examination).
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    I don't think anyone has made a diagnosis. I could give a full differential of all possible diagnoses so Callyish could know what she is possibly facing if you like.

    Callyish, just ask if MRI would be a reasonable tool for further investigation. If your doc is reasonable, she should not back away from an intelligent discussion of risks, benefits, next steps, possible diagnoses, various treatment options and anything else that has you concerned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boxingdoc View Post
    I could give a full differential of all possible diagnoses so Callyish could know what she is possibly facing if you like.
    First of all, why on earth would I "like," or need, you to do this, for me ?
    That makes absolutely NO SENSE.

    Second of all, you could theoretically compile a list, but it wouldn't really matter.

    Rainman could give a "full differential of all possible diagnosis" for that matter-

    It's all ASSumption until she goes in to see a real doctor. Her doctor will give her a full differential, and accurately diagnose her condition.

    OK, seriously, I am DONE going back and forth with you boxingdoc; Address her.

    This is Cally's thread, don't turn it about YOU (!) .
    Like I said before, PM me if you like-

    And Cally, apologies;
    This seems to have become a pissing contest in somebody's mind .

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    I don't see how boxingdoc has made it a pissing match. I think she was very reasonable and helpful. It was actually you Hot2Trot that has gone all up in arms about this. It was also you that offended me because I read what you were saying as 'why would you come to a forum looking for help when you should go to your doctor'. Then even after I stated that seeing my GP just can not happen now you still went on about self diagnosing. I appreciate the advice from everyone.

    Boxingdoc thank you for your help I will suggest the MRI to him to see if it can be done. Thank You.

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    Callyish , Good luck. Hope you get to your doc soon.

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